we got new snakes i ordered from underground reptiles in florida. nothing but props for these folks. quality snakes and when fed ex screwed up my overnight delivery (plane broke down) to a 2 day delivery. when they showed up they didnt even do the required adult signature and just dropped them off on my porch and it was 40 degrees out!!! i opened the packageing and swore they were dead...but once i pulled them out and layed them on my chest they warmed up and got active...so all was good... one (the male and smallest one) is my gift to myself and the female (larger one) is natasha's surgery present. so as a proud new pappa of snakes im gonna show them off lol