NZ Deadly Wire Barriers

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Motorcyclist's horrific death brings call to ban 'cheese-cutter' barriers
5:00AM Monday October 22, 2007
By Mathew Dearnaley
Daniel Evans

Motorcyclists are calling for wire median barriers to be removed immediately from motorways and state highways after the gruesome death of a young Auckland rider at the weekend.

Daniel Luke Evans, 21, was killed after hitting a wire barrier - nicknamed a "cheese-cutter" by motorcyclists - on the Southern Motorway near Papakura about 3.30am on Saturday.

His death has sparked messages of outrage and sorrow on an internet motorcyclists' forum and spurred calls for Transit NZ to abandon plans to extend the barriers and for it to dismantle those already in place.

A motorcycling friend of the dead man, Felix Tsang, said on 3 News last night that Mr Evans was following him when thrown from his machine and into the barrier.

"I stopped and raced back to the scene where it first happened and find that he has been severed, waist down, and was lying on the road - it was extremely disturbing," Mr Tsang said.

"With the cheese-cutter ... he had no chance."

Contributors to the Kiwibiker internet forum accused Transit of considering only cars and trucks when installing the barriers and ignoring "an unacceptable risk to motorcyclists", a claim denied by the highways agency. Some suggested a protest blockade of the motorway to force the removal of the barriers.

Motorcycling safety consultant Allan Kirk told the Herald that although there might be some stretches of road where wire could be justified because of limited space, notably the narrow coastal highway north of Wellington, it was "utterly unforgivable" of Transit to install these where there was enough room for steel barriers.

Veteran Auckland motorcyclist Lou Girardin, a former Ministry of Transport patrolman, said he did not believe the wire barriers were acceptable anywhere and suspected Transit was driven by cost considerations. "If you set out to design something to mutilate the human body, you couldn't do any better.

"It's not a matter of speed - if you're tipped off [a motorcycle] by a driver changing lanes you are dead or at the very least your limbs will be severed. These things are just horrendously dangerous."

But Transit's national operations manager, Dave Bates, denied there was much difference in cost between wire and steel barriers and said the main reason for using wire was its greater effectiveness in protecting most road users.

He could recall no previous deaths of motorcyclists hitting wire barriers and did not believe they would have much more of a chance against traditional W-section steel guard-rails.

Asked whether Transit might now review plans to extend the barriers, Mr Bates said it investigated every fatal crash on its network "to see whether there is in fact anything we can do".

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I saw a number of these barriers on the road back from OKC... Stakes with cable running between them to separate the highway... they looked rather nasty, now they look worse.. I think they were in OK and MO on I44
 
I saw a Chevy Tahoe hit one of these wires barriers and it snapped it across the other side of the highway. and it must have been AT LEAST 300ft across the roads BAD news even if your ridin over it, REALLY BAD NEWS if you are on the other side of that road at the same time someone else it running into that barrier.
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He could recall no previous deaths of motorcyclists hitting wire barriers and did not believe they would have much more of a chance against traditional W-section steel guard-rails.
What a stupid azz statement. If he had a choice of getting
hit with a razorblade or a 2x4 which do you he would choose
 
ongoing debate here in Autralia about these barriers that seem to be appearing in more and more places.

correspondance from the govt indicates that they are aware of elevated risk levels to motorcyclists but since these barriers are cheaper and supposedly better for cars they use em anyway

Their argument seems to be that motorcyclsits are fkd anyway if they come off so why worry about it too much.

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We have the same type in Beaumont Texas, I try to stay in the far right lane, to stay away from the fence.
 
I work with the State of Kansas Highway department and I have seen people cross over the median without any type of barrier's in place. Needless to say that there were fatalities without. We are in the process of finding a proper form  of barrier to put in place. Primarly in our medians, whatever get's installed as a barrier or restraint system there will still be fatalities, it will only prevent traffic from crossing to the other side of the highway. We do not want cables installed and we are fighting that for the same reason, They only slow vehicles down and they don't prevent crossovers. Barrier walls are the only sufficent way to stop crossovers. There will still be fatalities , that is just the nature of the beast. It is up to the traveling public to try and maintain a reasonable sense of awareness when it comes to operating a vehicle or motorcycle. Bad things happen when there are inatentive drivers, But accidents do happen and they always will. On our right of way we have guardrails, ET 2000 & SRT 350 kits , regardless if someone hits them there is a great possibilty of a fatality, They are there to stop traffic from leaving the road way. Some guardrails are designed to collapse when struck or fold away if hit straight on, Most guardrails are designed to break away. Just my 2cents.
 
Cables installed in the median are more costly to install and maintain than barrier walls.
 
The whole problem with what goes up for restraints is mandated by federal law , so when the government takes more time to really evaluate this situation with all of the fatalities then nothing will be done about it, Something tells me that they will have to take a really hard look into this and hopefully find a solution, Whatever get's approved we will still have problems. Speeds keep going up and people keep getting more crazy when they drive and don't pay attention to there surrounding's.
 
I am pretty sure that the speed limit on that section of road is probably lower compared to a major interstate, and the post's on that cable set up look to be alot closer to each other than most conventional cable setups. 3 to 5 feet apart, most around here are about 10 feet apart.
 
We have the same thing here in greenville sc. 3 wires with posts spaced about 10 feet apart. Every wreck I've seen with em they've stopped the car from crossing over, but I can see how that would be really really bad if a person on a bike hit it. . . I've thought about it a few times ridin down the road.

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"he he i like to talk on my cell phone and drive and put on make up and make sure my dogs sitting on my lap he he!?!" typical woman driver
 
So a "cheese-cutter" is three wires stacked parallel between ten foot intervals
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........I guess I was thinking more like razor wire or something.......

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We have the same thing here in greenville sc. 3 wires with posts spaced about 10 feet apart. Every wreck I've seen with em they've stopped the car from crossing over, but I can see how that would be really really bad if a person on a bike hit it. . . I've thought about it a few times ridin down the road.
We have these in NC too.. one on my way to work, never thought about hitting it though.... It's in a big grassy median.

Can't imagine the ones in NZ (thanks for the pic Rock!) - right there on the road!
 
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