thanks for the input. i ran the qualifier personally and was not happy with it compared to others of that time. my only reason for not trying the Q2 dispite others good luck with them. i heard good things so far about the metzler m3, i think i would be happy with them compared to the Q2. i guess the pirelli fell of the chart now days unless you run the corsa III or the supercorsa which are $$$. which are damn good tires just pricey compaerd to others i seen. appreciate you input though, thank you