Packa is no loss. I've seen many go after Dirty Pete here, most have a particular gripe to settle, in which case DP has always held his own. Sometimes there were apologies, sometimes not. Packa had no motive. He is just a guy with a really poor attitude who believes that he's got some thing to prove to the world. I don't mind the way the Bigdog handles this site at all. He let packa go on for quite a bit, even gave him fair warning at one point. But packa took more rope than he was allotted. Really, Kevtec, you would have been bored with the guy all to quick. Lots of the org. members jumped in at first to play the flame war, but fond there was no depth to the guy. Every thing was up yours, or a ninja kick to your head. I think Packa is just that way because of low self-esteem.