People on here that have rode Gen I and Gen II
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Rumble Ripper
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I had a moded Gen 1 and now own a moded Gen 2. When Modifying a bike you can almost make it into whatever you want. However fit, finish comfort and appearance are IMO better on the Gen 2. With the same type of mods the Gen 2 is the way to go.
Also you would be getting a new bike, as opposed to a used one which you may not know the history on.
Rumble
Also you would be getting a new bike, as opposed to a used one which you may not know the history on.
Rumble
if your going to mod it, it is pointless to get a new bike. all your buying is a warranty and guess what.......you just void it!! and since you are modifying to fit your needs you would be replacing all of the "questionable history parts" anyway. so the only way the new bike has a clear advantage in my eyes is if all you were going to do was exhaust,filter, and a pc3.
bench
I rode both and don't drink the kool-aid...
Chasis is virtually identical, engine has 15 extra horses (yawn)
(but to be fair, you can tell...it's just far from earthshaking)
brakes are better on the gen 1.5 but it's a more a testiment on how
inept suzuki was to even minor updates on their "flagship", and what
they really think of busa owners...they can't even update sucky breaks in
a decade.
You buy a Gen 1.5 for $13,000 or...
buy a pristine Gen 1 for 6-7,000 and have 6 or 7 grand for extras
like a turbo and tell everyone to kya and STILL have 3 grand left over.
7 grand for 15 hp...$2,000 a hp...hmmm???
4 grand for 75 hp...plus 3 grand for a full brembo system and/or ohlins shocks
or...
Yeah I know it's not all about hp...you get that lovely gen II tailuke:
https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/general-bike-related-topics/115135-turbo-kit-group-buy-rcc.html
Alright not to fight or argue, but you're upset because Zuki didn't completely reinvent the Busa. It wasn't all that shabby after 9 years to start with; agreed. They made significant changes to the bike you didn't cover, took care of every complaint mentioned within this domain. The pricing on my '08 was about $500 more than I paid for my '06 from the same dealer blah, blah, blah. The weak dollar caused the issue you stated, anywho I don't think you'll get 75 RWHP turnkey for $4K. While we all would have liked the Gen II to come standard with 250 RWHP, nut smashing brakes that caused wrecks, etc., etc. IMHO they did a fine job. I've ridden both and the difference is noticeable including the tail you love
and see a lot of 
Mods don't necessarily void warranty. I've actually talked to the dealership on this one.
If you did the exhaust, filter, and PC on a Gen I the Gen II would take it in stock form....
The Gen I is a tremendous bike, the Gen II exceeds it.
They are both way too fast if you get goofy. I think the II is plain ugly and the I's will be stone collector's items as the years go on. So many of the originals have been poorly modded, extended, crashed and burned that a stone-stock 99-07 bike is gonna bring serious bucks at some point. The first generation Busa has the indefinable good looks that a 1940 Ford coupe has, or a shoebox Chevy, a '63 Vette, etc. To me, the II looks like the unholy offspring of a Gixxer and a Vespa. YMMV...
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As I said, the drive mode selector may not be something you're interested in. Are you saying you don't think a cooling system upgrade is worth anything? The gen I had a problem in that area, sitting in traffic on a hot day is what killed my 06. The gen II is cool as a cucumber when the gen I is puking it's guts out. I'm not disrespecting the gen I at all, but the point was, the gen II is better in a long list of ways.
Jealousy is a cruel mistress.
jetsetter
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I know it looks different, but do you really think it looks that bad? The truth is, someone who was not very familiar with the busa probably wouldn't even know the difference if they weren't sitting beside each other.
As I said, the drive mode selector may not be something you're interested in. Are you saying you don't think a cooling system upgrade is worth anything? The gen I had a problem in that area, sitting in traffic on a hot day is what killed my 06. The gen II is cool as a cucumber when the gen I is puking it's guts out. I'm not disrespecting the gen I at all, but the point was, the gen II is better in a long list of ways.
Jealousy is a cruel mistress.
I ride everyday in florida, 32,000 miles in 3 years and I sit in traffic in the
middle of the hot florida day and guess what...it's as cool as cucumber.
I have ZERO cooling problems, if your bike was puking it's guts out there
is another problem (maybe air in the system) not design.
Many of your "better in a long list of ways" is negligible and/or subjective,
like passenger pegs and the cooling system, etc. Many of us replace the rearsets
(as I've done, cyclecats) and my passenger pegs are black powdercoated
gsxr pegs. So what?
Well, I'm done...if you guys are satisfied with the Gen 1.5 then so be it.
Suzuki bet big that they could put as little money in redesign as possible and
the hommies would buy it up regardless. Much the same way a perennial sorry
nfl team continues to sell out every season...why spend the big bucks on
free agency when your sold out anyway? And Suzuki was right.
If you guys would have expected and DEMANDED more, Zuk would be working
feverishly on a real update right now, instead of an "update" that is even or
still lags behind the ZX-14 in many areas.
cutts431
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Had an 03 Ltd Edition Gen 1, now have an 08 Gen 2. These are the main differences I've noticed:
Gen 2 faster - 5th feels like the Gen 1's 4th (I think gearing has dropped)
Gen 2 engine smoother
Gen 2 a lot of engine braking because of the higher compression
Gen 2 brakes a lot sharper
Both fabulous bikes
Gen 2 faster - 5th feels like the Gen 1's 4th (I think gearing has dropped)
Gen 2 engine smoother
Gen 2 a lot of engine braking because of the higher compression
Gen 2 brakes a lot sharper
Both fabulous bikes
The Big Red One
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I think the gen2 is a great bike performance wise...but unfortunately imo its one ugly duckling
You want to buy a 'stock' Gen1 ???
I will sell you one...delivered to your door for 20k USD
I'm sure you had to modify your Gen1 to stand up to the FL heat...probably a Muzzy fan and some Engine Ice.
The Gen2 will handle that and more "stock"...don't hate what YOU don't know Bro. I own both Gen1 + Gen2...take them both to the race track and ride the pi$$ out of them...Gen2 is hands down so much better than the Gen1.
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That works both ways...
yeah I use engine ice and a muzzy fan but had zero problems before. I made
the mods simply because they are supposed to be better. I'd use them if I had
a Gen 1.5
You guys kill me with your Sooooo much better and Cooommmpletely different bike
It's the same frame with different skins, 15 more hp, and newer brakes...oh and
updated passenger pegs.
My God...what would you people think if Zuk did a real update...you'd be lost.
Of course with newer brakes and a few more horses it's going to seem oh la la...
my point is...don't be satisfied. The first and ONLY effort Suzuki did to udate the busa
in over a decade does NOT EQUAL THE EFFORT OF 1 udate to the gsx1000r
of which they have udated 5 times since the Busa.
You guys rant and rave how different it is...I rode a 14 as well and while you all
ragged on how the Busa was still king and the 14 was lacking...the 14 is STILL
better than the new busa in smoothness and braking and neck n neck in power.
Heck all 3 bikes are within 3 tenths of a second in the 1/4 mile and
that's by proffesionals...I'm sure with average joe the difference is negligable.
So my point is that while the busa faithfull was chanting about the difference
between a Gen 1 and the 14 was a gnat hair...the new busa falls somewhere
in between and/or neck neck...so what are we really talking about here...half
a gnat hair (but it's oh so much more better different) whatever...pass the kool-aid.
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Sannosuke
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Just asking because I didn't notice if you stated so or not.
Have you rode a Gen II for anything longer then 10 minutes?
That works both ways...
yeah I use engine ice and a muzzy fan but had zero problems before. I made
the mods simply because they are supposed to be better. I'd use them if I had
a Gen 1.5
You guys kill me with your Sooooo much better and Cooommmpletely different bike
It's the same frame with different skins, 15 more hp, and newer brakes...oh and
updated passenger pegs.
My God...what would you people think if Zuk did a real update...you'd be lost.
Of course with newer brakes and a few more horses it's going to seem oh la la...
my point is...don't be satisfied. The first and ONLY effort Suzuki did to udate the busa
in over a decade does NOT EQUAL THE EFFORT OF 1 udate to the gsx1000r
of which they have udated 5 times since the Busa.
You guys rant and rave how different it is...I rode a 14 as well and while you all
ragged on how the Busa was still king and the 14 was lacking...the 14 is STILL
better than the new busa in smoothness and braking and neck n neck in power.
Heck all 3 bikes are within 3 tenths of a second in the 1/4 mile and
that's by proffesionals...I'm sure with average joe the difference is negligable.
So my point is that while the busa faithfull was chanting about the difference
between a Gen 1 and the 14 was a gnat hair...the new busa falls somewhere
in between and/or neck neck...so what are we really talking about here...half
a gnat hair (but it's oh so much more better different) whatever...pass the kool-aid.
Just keep showing your ignorance...if you think some HP, different brakes, skins, and some pegs are the only diff between a Gen1 vs. Gen2.
It's the complete package that makes it a better machine
jetsetter
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Everybody says that Suzuki "dropped a bomb" on the competition with the first Hayabusa. The big bore bikes of the time were making 135ish horsepower, and the Busa came out with a sledgehammer and laid down 155 horsepower. It was like God himself came down and built a bike to end all bikes. Now, all this time later, Suzuki comes out with a bike that makes 175 horsepower at the tire, and it's no better than the original? Twenty HP over the Balckbird was FANTASTIC, but twenty over a Hayabusa is nothing? Keep in mind, the ZX-14 lost about 10 hp for 08, due to the emissions requirements. In all of the comparisons I've seen, never has an 08-09 14 been as strong as a gen II busa.
It seems like we are comparing a modded gen I to the stock gen II. Put a pipe and tune on the gen II, then how much work does it take to the gen I to make that power?
It seems like we are comparing a modded gen I to the stock gen II. Put a pipe and tune on the gen II, then how much work does it take to the gen I to make that power?
The new Gen II is defintely a more refined bike, it's not that the Gen I is bad it's just the Gen II is that much better. It's like a computer made in 99, and one in 2008. I loved my 04 LE, but I really love my 08 Org/Blk, oh yea it's also the fastest color.
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