Pilot Pures? Maybe not.

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Saw this on another site, seems there is a problem.

Have you any reports on the new Pilot Power Pure's, at a local track day here recently 5 bikes went down over the day and the common factor was they were all using the new P.P.Pures seems there may be a grip issue when layed right over, the local Michelin rep is investigating this at the moment and is not a very happy man.
 
aussiekeeper said:
Saw this on another site, seems there is a problem.

Have you any reports on the new Pilot Power Pure's, at a local track day here recently 5 bikes went down over the day and the common factor was they were all using the new P.P.Pures seems there may be a grip issue when layed right over, the local Michelin rep is investigating this at the moment and is not a very happy man.
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Tire? or over confidence in tire?
 
I am not surprised. Michelin's PP line of tires have been on more crashed bikes at our tracks than all th other brands combined. PP's are very sensitive to tire pressure. Keep up on the tire pressure (sometimes 1/2 pound is all it takes) and they perform fairly well. Ignore the pressure and one little mistake may put you on you head.

I was working with a kid last summer on a ZX6. 21 year old young man who had decent skills. He crashed twice in the same corner on his PP's. I didn't see the first crash. The second crash, I was two bike lengths behind him when the front tire gave up grip for no apparent reason and dumped him on his noggin. He was leaned over with his knee on the deck and just before the apex, no push or warning of any sort, just dropped him. I could see nothing he did wrong.

However, I found it very hard to get folks off those things until after the second crash. Then they were easily convinced to move up to a better tire.
 
BUBBA said:
Tire? or over confidence in tire?
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Isn't that exactly the scenario? Over confidence? If Michelin is steaming over it, I would believe there may be something to it. I tossed Angels and PP's over and over, did a lot of reading and talked to more than a few owners.
I bought the Angels. Even though they are NOT a track tire, but neither are the PP's.
 
Dave Moss confirms the finite pressure problems with the Michelins in his suspension video. When he said it, it actually sounded like a warning.
 
I ride with a guy who owns a gsxr 1000 08, he rides his bike very hard leaning to the extreme wheelies etc, he swears by the pilot pures for the street but no data on track use.
 
silverbusa said:
I ride with a guy who owns a gsxr 1000 08, he rides his bike very hard leaning to the extreme wheelies etc, he swears by the pilot pures for the street but no data on track use.
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Sounds familiar.
 
not what i want to hear since i have a set of pures for each bike in the garage ? anybody speaking good about the pures?
 
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I have about 500 hard street miles on my Pures with no complaints at all. I don't expect much logevity from them though. At this rate, I think they'll be ready for replacement around 2000 miles. They handle great and have shown no signs of traction issues. Of course, I've always heard that Michelins give no warning...??? They just handle so darn well!
 
Just a guess but I would say on the street most riders wouldn't be able to push the traction limits of a PP.

This tire on the track and on the street are two different things.
 
The PP and the 2CT are a Great ROAD Tire for the Twisties. Now for the Track............. ask Doyle (RAYDOG):whistle:
 
I have heard the same thing when it comes to the PP's being really finicky when it comes to air pressure.
 
I heard the same too from my friend who goes for races in tracks for the Michelin that doesnt give warning.he is currently using pirelli dragon supercorsa
 
turbobusa2000 said:
Just a guess but I would say on the street 99.99% of riders wouldn't be able to push the traction limits of a PP.

This tire on the track and on the street are two different things.
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Fixed that for ya.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:



cheers
ken
 
The important thing to do is to read Michelin's report on them (if it's made public) and make your decisions from that, or adjust your riding style or purchases accordingly.
 
I don't think anyone should panic and toss their PP's. They have worked just fine for you up to this point and they will most likely continue to do so.

When riders say they ride a tire hard, you must keep in mind that the word hard has a very broad definition depending solely on the rider. What one considers hard is anothers warmup lap.

Michelin's PP line has never been user friendly and I have my doubts the new pure will be any different.
 
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