Promises made, promises kept. Trump frees 1500 1/6 political prisoners.

Bumblebee said:
I'm a recipient of this......

Years ago I decided I wanted to be a police officer so I went to apply.....I completed all the testing and scored first out of 50 people in my testing session. At the time I had 10 yrs of service under my belt and had actively taken part in training of police ETF units which is something few military people have done.

I was told in no certain terms that I was both the wrong color and gender to make it.....the inspector that took me aside said he would deny what he said....but he said I was the most qualified person they had tested in quite some time.

I can see that in large urban police forces such as Toronto for instance need a specific type of person to police certain ethnic areas but in doing this, they often bent the standards in order to meet their diversity quota.....

I have a long time friend who is a Sgt in Toronto and he said the standard of police officers is deplorable mainly due to DEI priorities....he voice his concerns over both public safety and officer safety but was basically told to shut up, he then got moved off patrol to a desk.
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Yep. What a lot of people also lose sight of, is in addition to hiring less qualified in order to make a quota, we are also lowering overall standards in order to allow more to qualify.

If I step on board an airplane to fly somewhere, I do not give a flying eff what my pilots look like. I want them to be the best qualified to take off, land, fly, manage a situation and get me there on time. When I hear that airlines are now accepting pilots with 250 hours of flight time, instead of 1500 hours of flight time as a way to get more pilots, I'm less inclined to fly on that airline.

Here is another real world example. I was hiring a driver. I asked her "What do you feel is your best job skill you can bring to this"? Her response, "I can show up to work on time".

That ended it for me. If anyone thinks showing up to work on time is a job skill, we have a bigger problem than what they look like.
 
Red05 said:
It is wrong. So is not choosing someone because of creed, which no one can deny has happened either. It’s a delicate balance with no easy fix.
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Let the best man/woman win period. It should be like that and I agree there are many times and places where for whatever reason it might be. So you go take it up on an individual basis with that person or company. You don NOT legislate that no matter what you have to have X amount of people of X color, gender or whatever. Because then as I said you put everyone in danger of failing.
 
Dnyce said:
If I was interviewing for a driver position I’d say I can drive anything with wheels or tracks while engaging a threat and I will get you where u need to be alive, everytime.

You’d have to hire me, how could u not :D
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Hi. If you are a gay trans gender green woman ( but the dems do not know what a woman is so???????????) Who can not read or spell you would have been all set. Also disabled peolpe should get the jobs too. But I see a shortage of blind cab driverd. This must be fixed now.
 
WuzzaCBXRider said:
Of course it should be merit based but when has it ever been that way? You can probably count on one hand the number of Hispanic, black or American Indians who are corporate heads. How many did you see sitting with trump’s billionaires? Suppose no black professional is qualified? None? And how long has that been the case? Forever? Almost. The first black army general was in 1940. The first black female general was in 1979, 39 years later. Suppose (no person of color) was qualified before 1940? How about in the 14 YEARS that passed before there was the first black Air Force general? How many decades passed before that? There were only twelve (12) black officers in 1941, twelve! There were over 4,000 black soldiers though, mostly cooks and drivers. Merit based….right.

Realizing parity (equality) in the hiring process is not an easy task since the opposite has been the norm since our country was founded.
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It has not always been the way it should be. I have no issue condemning my country for sending black people to fight and die in WWII only to still treat them horribly upon their return. Lots of things WERE wrong and are now much better. We still have a long way to go.
But DEI and forcing companies or militaries to diversify just so they can take a cute pic showing inclusivity is horribly wrong. No different than Affirmative Action which was finally show to be fully responsible for reverse discrimination where pathetic candidates were placed solely for the reason that some activist wanted them there. It's like taking a black rodeo rider and telling you he's gonna hop in the cockpit and fly you to XYZ... it's ok. I know he wasn't the most capable. We hope he gets you there.

Sorry. Here's how you do it.
REMOVE ALL race, color and gender questions from all applications. Judge each applicant blindly on their marked earned qualifications. If we wound up with a purple haired freak battalion cuz they were the best I am fine with it.
Let's do it. Are you good with that? No clue on who or what just on paper their abilities.
 
Blanca BusaLess said:
It has not always been the way it should be. I have no issue condemning my country for sending black people to fight and die in WWII only to still treat them horribly upon their return. Lots of things WERE wrong and are now much better. We still have a long way to go.
But DEI and forcing companies or militaries to diversify just so they can take a cute pic showing inclusivity is horribly wrong. No different than Affirmative Action which was finally show to be fully responsible for reverse discrimination where pathetic candidates were placed solely for the reason that some activist wanted them there. It's like taking a black rodeo rider and telling you he's gonna hop in the cockpit and fly you to XYZ... it's ok. I know he wasn't the most capable. We hope he gets you there.

Sorry. Here's how you do it.
REMOVE ALL race, color and gender questions from all applications. Judge each applicant blindly on their marked earned qualifications. If we wound up with a purple haired freak battalion cuz they were the best I am fine with it.
Let's do it. Are you good with that? No clue on who or what just on paper their abilities.
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I agree, the wrong people are getting into positions and jobs solely based on their ethnicity, race or gender which is getting people killed and/or lowering the standard in such a way that quality of work and effort is being compromised.....

We could delve into language as well especially here in Canada where the French language is a stand alone language....I've seen highly qualified combat experienced soldiers overlooked for key positions for the sole reason they didn't speak French and non experienced French speaking soldiers get the positions.

At the time French speaking military candidates were given English training yet English speaking military members were not given French training...

Some of that has changed and we now send English speaking military members on French courses...and they have to maintain a certain level of competency or lose their French profile......this is something French speaking members don't have to do.
 
ottafish said:
Are you saying that DEI is a bad thing? That we shouldn't include equity and inclusion?

The basis of the idea is to support people who come from varying backgrounds, (race, gender, etc) and give them the resources and respect they need to thrive in life and the workplace.
So you're saying that we're not all equal and some are more deserving than others?
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In USA it is different a pretty good melting pot I always hear

In UK white working class are definitely excluded
DEI gone way too far , Police failure to arrest shoplifters but keen to employ Diversity managers on $100,000 per year
It’s everywhere in the Government civil service

It should be colour blind and on merit


On another subject why we need a ‘Trump’ like figure it was reported in the media that 1 in 12 of the population of London are illegals that totals 600,000

We do not know who are entering our country , 50,000 young men of fighting age - who throw their passports into the English Channel

The joke is we could keep out Adolf Hitler and his armed forces, but cannot stop rubber dinghies

These could be bad actors .like ISIS operatives we have no idea who they are , move into 4**** hotels when we have veterans sleeping rough on the streets.
 
Red05 said:
Ideally, of course. If only that’s the way it is. Flawed laws had to be introduced because people don’t follow that simple scheme. Bigoted choices came way before reverse discrimination.
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'Flawed laws had to be introduced'
Did you really just say that? Unacceptable. You take it up on an idividual basis and do NOT pass flawed laws that apply to all like a blanket because for the most part it was working just fine.
 
Working just fine eh? You should be ashamed for making such a statement. For white men it always worked ‘just fine’ but for women and people of color, not so much.
 
mark3evo said:
In USA it is different a pretty good melting pot I always hear

In UK white working class are definitely excluded
DEI gone way too far , Police failure to arrest shoplifters but keen to employ Diversity managers on $100,000 per year
It’s everywhere in the Government civil service

It should be colour blind and on merit


On another subject why we need a ‘Trump’ like figure it was reported in the media that 1 in 12 of the population of London are illegals that totals 600,000

We do not know who are entering our country , 50,000 young men of fighting age - who throw their passports into the English Channel

The joke is we could keep out Adolf Hitler and his armed forces, but cannot stop rubber dinghies

These could be bad actors .like ISIS operatives we have no idea who they are , move into 4**** hotels when we have veterans sleeping rough on the streets.
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It starts out in govt positions here also. And vendors to the govt. DEI is just a new version of Affirmative Action policies here. It was never about qualifications. It was about quotas. Bee's summation of his job interview was exactly correct. I used to be told, I can't hire anymore low point employees until I placed some high points ones. Points were assigned to how many AA boxes they checked off. The more points we could hire, the more budget we got. So a disabled minority was worth more than 3 able bodied non minorities.

It was ridiculous. The only thing worse than hiring them, was trying to get rid of them. We would settle for paying huge severance amounts, just to preclude going to court for years to prove they deserved to be fired.
 
TallTom said:
Yep. What a lot of people also lose sight of, is in addition to hiring less qualified in order to make a quota, we are also lowering overall standards in order to allow more to qualify.

If I step on board an airplane to fly somewhere, I do not give a flying eff what my pilots look like. I want them to be the best qualified to take off, land, fly, manage a situation and get me there on time. When I hear that airlines are now accepting pilots with 250 hours of flight time, instead of 1500 hours of flight time as a way to get more pilots, I'm less inclined to fly on that airline.

Here is another real world example. I was hiring a driver. I asked her "What do you feel is your best job skill you can bring to this"? Her response, "I can show up to work on time".

That ended it for me. If anyone thinks showing up to work on time is a job skill, we have a bigger problem than what they look like.
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I always felt the whole “people just don’t want to work these days” and “hard to find good workers” was not as bad as they said until, I had to do the hiring manager role for 2 years at work. I could fill several pages of stories about some of the issues we ran into and, this was after countless hours going through applications and declining up to 9 out of 10 of them due to several red flags. I’ve seen people show up drunk, not show up because they just forgot and wanting to reschedule after me calling them to see what happened, recruiters being harassed after turning someone down, people showing up late 10 days on their first 30 days of employment, people using derogatory terms on their first week on the job and having to be escorted to the gate/terminated, people faking
TallTom said:
Yep. What a lot of people also lose sight of, is in addition to hiring less qualified in order to make a quota, we are also lowering overall standards in order to allow more to qualify.

If I step on board an airplane to fly somewhere, I do not give a flying eff what my pilots look like. I want them to be the best qualified to take off, land, fly, manage a situation and get me there on time. When I hear that airlines are now accepting pilots with 250 hours of flight time, instead of 1500 hours of flight time as a way to get more pilots, I'm less inclined to fly on that airline.

Here is another real world example. I was hiring a driver. I asked her "What do you feel is your best job skill you can bring to this"? Her response, "I can show up to work on time".

That ended it for me. If anyone thinks showing up to work on time is a job skill, we have a bigger problem than what they look like.
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lets not forget what that does to the moral of the good employees that now have to pick up that person’s slack, even though, everyone is getting the same pay. 20 years ago I was hired at a place and someone got hired that we could clearly see was not fit for the job. We ended up having to pick up this person’s slack and, when this person tried to walk away from the job, the company basically begged them to stay and accommodated them further so this person wouldn’t quit. I was fairly new in the country and couldn’t believe what I was seeing.
 
Bumblebee said:
But, as he can only do one term, he could care less......and I think his term of revenge is just beginning.....
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That's the bottom line. All the promises he made are meaningless political promises yet the faithful lap them up like they are Gospel. I looked back at the promises he made last time, a one Trillion plus infrastructure rebuilding promise, not kept, but little things like pulling down flags and pardoning people get the headlines as they drive to work over bridges ready to collapse. He reminds me of Herbert Hoover, a rank outsider that was 'anointed' to bring the nation back from the brink but when the market collapsed he was anathema to the public. The current English PM is like that too. Trump has more personality then them but at the end of the day he's a billionaire whose surrounded himself with billionaires. Does the man in the street really think he cares for them? Obviously so...

At the end of the day these people are powerless over the big issues and all they can hope for is the feather their own nests by making friends in important places. I'd say he's achieved that.
 
Blanca BusaLess said:
'Flawed laws had to be introduced'
Did you really just say that? Unacceptable. You take it up on an idividual basis and do NOT pass flawed laws that apply to all like a blanket because for the most part it was working just fine.
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First of all, how are going to govern hiring practices without guidelines, guidelines which are flawed because they do end up causing reverse discrimination? How, without guidelines, do you expect prospective hires to take something up on an individual basis? There has to be precedent to keep employers from racism, whether an attorney has to be involved or not. Working just fine for the most part? Now it’s me asking you if you really said that.
Dream on man.
 
Oz22 said:
That's the bottom line. All the promises he made are meaningless political promises yet the faithful lap them up like they are Gospel. I looked back at the promises he made last time, a one Trillion plus infrastructure rebuilding promise, not kept, but little things like pulling down flags and pardoning people get the headlines as they drive to work over bridges ready to collapse. He reminds me of Herbert Hoover, a rank outsider that was 'anointed' to bring the nation back from the brink but when the market collapsed he was anathema to the public. The current English PM is like that too. Trump has more personality then them but at the end of the day he's a billionaire whose surrounded himself with billionaires. Does the man in the street really think he cares for them? Obviously so...

At the end of the day these people are powerless over the big issues and all they can hope for is the feather their own nests by making friends in important places. I'd say he's achieved that.
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While Trump himself may have a shelflife, he can set in motion the direction of a party if he has a successful 4 years. Remember he had a lot of headwinds from an opposing House and Senate before, as well as pushback from his own party members. This round he has no such headwinds. He has reshaped his party (not saying I like that party) and has a lot more confidence in how to maneuver this time around.

He could set a trajectory for America that will shape this country for decades.
 
mabupa said:
I always felt the whole “people just don’t want to work these days” and “hard to find good workers” was not as bad as they said until, I had to do the hiring manager role for 2 years at work. I could fill several pages of stories about some of the issues we ran into and, this was after countless hours going through applications and declining up to 9 out of 10 of them due to several red flags. I’ve seen people show up drunk, not show up because they just forgot and wanting to reschedule after me calling them to see what happened, recruiters being harassed after turning someone down, people showing up late 10 days on their first 30 days of employment, people using derogatory terms on their first week on the job and having to be escorted to the gate/terminated, people faking

lets not forget what that does to the moral of the good employees that now have to pick up that person’s slack, even though, everyone is getting the same pay. 20 years ago I was hired at a place and someone got hired that we could clearly see was not fit for the job. We ended up having to pick up this person’s slack and, when this person tried to walk away from the job, the company basically begged them to stay and accommodated them further so this person wouldn’t quit. I was fairly new in the country and couldn’t believe what I was seeing.
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Not all of these hires turn out bad. So I don't want to make it appear that way. And there are certainly scumbag mainstream employees. But it's far far easier to terminate mainstream bad employees than the AA or DEI ones. Blanca has stated here what I have before. You should not require any applicant to identify by a race or gender or now sexual orientation etc. Assess good candidates in an equal setting. Then you get a bonus if you are also adding some diversity to your workforce.
 
TallTom said:
Assess good candidates in an equal setting
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That is what was not happening which caused protection, which is now sometimes abused. Taking advantage is a human condition. Originally by employers, then minority candidates. Like I said before, employers started it, and like minded people such as Blanca considered it ok or normal.
 
TallTom said:
Not all of these hires turn out bad. So I don't want to make it appear that way. And there are certainly scumbag mainstream employees. But it's far far easier to terminate mainstream bad employees than the AA or DEI ones. Blanca has stated here what I have before. You should not require any applicant to identify by a race or gender or now sexual orientation etc. Assess good candidates in an equal setting. Then you get a bonus if you are also adding some diversity to your workforce.
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You are correct, some were so good that within the year, they had been promoted to supervisor roles. You are also correct about how hard it is to terminate certain people these days and they can pretty much get away with murder.
 
mabupa said:
You are correct, some were so good that within the year, they had been promoted to supervisor roles. You are also correct about how hard it is to terminate certain people these days and they can pretty much get away with murder.
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A lot of us have spent a lot of time in the workforce and know there’s hard conscientious workers and there’s those that work harder at avoiding work. That should be the only measuring stick. Problem is people abused that and hired based on skin color or in some instances gender. Please don’t bother to deny this. Standards have to be set, which aren’t the perfect fix as those can cause over correction and unfair hires can happen. Don’t blame the standards, blame the people that caused them to be drawn up in the first place. Racism and sexism have no place in society.
 
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