Rode an 05' GSX-R1000 today

In the end the guy who rode my Busa preffered it (btw it was not his Gixxer 1K, but he rides it quite abit) ,
Me @ 5' 9" feel the Gixxer was made for me..it just feels right but id need alot of seat time before I could tap into it.

For the first time I feel I can really see just how old the Busa is getting.
 
Buddy, if the 1K is what you want, go for it!

But think about this;

When we were on Lolo, there were a few times when we were railin' pretty hard. I had some left, but sanity kept my right wrist in check.
......How much faster could you have gone?....Safely.

I bought the Bus cause it is comfy for the long haul, and when I get to the curvy stuff it is still a ball.

Maybe not the best at everything, but the perfect all arounder....
 
I don't think it will take you 2k miles to get used to the gixxer's steering/handling though. If you haven't got it by then it probably will have put you on your @ss already. Not knockin' your skills at all, I'm just pointing out how intolerant they are to bad inputs.[/QUOTE]

I missed this before and I am kind of insulted.

I disagree, it takes me about 5K to really get to know a bike very well.

No offense to you either BT but 1700 miles on your Busa and it was your first bike? I dont think you knew the Busa. You can say you did but you didnt, I guarantee it.

How many miles did you put on your 10R?

It take at least 2K to get to know a bike...4-5K for me because I leave 25% room for error.
 
BTW the guy who rode my Busa felt the Gixxer accelerated faster...he said the Busa does not have the
violent pull the Gixxer has @ 8K on up.   I have to disagree here to a point. I feel the Busa pulls as hard
but it does not accelerate as fast...especially from a roll on @ 50-60mph.
These are tons of fun on a Gixxer.  
I know my Busa well and I kinda know how much land I can cover from fast passes on the freeway....the Gix launches like freaking mad and id say I am easily 2 car lenghts past where the Busa would be on these short roll ons.
Try regearing the Busa into the same range as the 1K and watch what happens.
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If I keep it then that will be done for sure.
 
Now for the part that I am going to have to figure out before I can make a decision...
Cruising down the road @ 70mph for longer periods of time I noticed it was kind of an effort
to keep the bike going straight...it could be just that it does not tolerate any resting on the bars
at all. With the Busa I can rest on the bars here and there and it goes down the road perfectly straight.
Comes with the aggressive, race like suspension/steering geometry bro. And you're right about the litres, and more especially the lighter 600's not being tolerant to "leaning on the bars" or any other errant/unintended bar inputs. The busa's suspension geometry is designed with top speed stability in mind. It tries harder to "go straight" than the more aggresively set-up litres and 600's with "think it through the corner", race-like geometry/handling.

When I first went to the 10R from the busa I had to adjust on MANY turns so I didn't clip the apex. I'd start to turn where and how I would have on the busa and I'd find myself cutting the corner too quickly and having to adjust wider to keep from running off the inside edge of the road (or crossing the yellow line on left handers). I also had to refine my control inputs a lot. One area I had to really work on was coming off of corners on the gas. If I held onto the grips to hold onto the bike I would get a bobble coming off corners hard on the throttle. If I held on with my legs and used my abs to hold me forward, keeping my hands/arms more relaxed I didn't get the bobble. ANY and ALL inputs (body steer, steering inputs, etc...) you give a litre or 600, be it intentional or not, will CHANGE the DIRECTION of the BIKE.
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I don't think it will take you 2k miles to get used to the gixxer's steering/handling though. If you haven't got it by then it probably will have put you on your @ss already. Not knockin' your skills at all, I'm just pointing out how intolerant they are to bad inputs. As you've seen, and as I and others have posted before, the busa forgives things that make the litres and 600's bite you.

I'd like to ride a busa again now that I'm smoother and can ride better just to compare it to what I've been on since sellin' Train. Should REALLY be a smooth ride now.
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Based on the lean and what the bike wanted for throttle ,id guess id have to be going at least 2.5 x the speed the Busa would be at the same weight shift/lean.
Nah, the way to look at it is the lighter litre requires less lean angle at the same speed. Lighter bikes, laws of physics. Good observation though. Sounds like you've got a good feel for the differences.
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I AM SO THANKFUL I DONT HAVE TO CHOSE BETWEEN THE TWO MAYBE SOMEDAY ALL BUSA OWNERS CAN HAVE BOTH
 
I myself would ride a 1000 or a 600 if I wasn't 6'7" 300lbs. When I ride on one of those I look like I was a pedestrian bending over to pickup a quarter when a guy on a 1000 or 600 ran into my butt. All that is left poking out is a tail end and wheel.
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...frankly I dont feel the 600's or 1000's to be very small, perticulary if you see the kind of bikes that you get in India...
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I hope the picture proves a point
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Yeah, but we were talking about grown-up's bikes.........
600's and literbikes are physically very small. Plenty of power, just small.
The 636 feels physically larger (wider and longer) than the 10R and gives me more leg room. I can move further back on the seat on the 636 as well so it gives me more upper body/arm room as well. It also has a longer wheelbase (per Kawi specs). Where are you getting your information on this? Just curious. I haven't measured the 636's width and length. Nor did I measure the 10. I'm speaking only from feel/appearance/feel... and the kawi spec on the wheelbase. May not be true for all 600's but in Kawi's case it is...
Riding them. I'm 6'6 and 275. The literbikes that I have ridden, R-1 and K4 Gixxer, felt small, but the 636, R6 and CBR6RR I've ridden felt even smaller. There's plenty of power in the 6's once you figure out how to keep the engine on the boil, but for anything more than a brief blast thru the twisties, I am uncomfortable.
In your other statement, you left out an option. There are those of us who don't fit into any of your option categories. I love going fast in a straight line, I have very little desire to turn corners, let alone learn how to get better doing it, but I still love to ride the piss out of my bike, WFO as often as possible and I learn how to get better every time.
I'll give you a hint, I got a 6" over swingarm.........
 
BT, I am glad you are happy with your 636.

I am equally sure you are much younger than I. Because of that, your young frame can handle the agressive ergos of todays street "racebikes". I would love to have a 1K, GSXR750 or the like but I wouldn't give up my Busa for any of 'em.
My bike has to do it all.
I don't have twisties at my doorstep. I get to ride TO them. I have spent lots of time on race inspired-ergo-havin bikes. they are great. WHEN YOU ARE IN THE CURVES. The rest of the time, you are thinkin'........"god, when do I get to the good stuff?"
The Busa keeps ya happy all the way there.....when your'e there and all the way back.
Yea, it's no track star. But I live on the street. I can't afford to push it 10 10ths on the street. Ya fall down and get hurt that way...........believe me, I've been there! More than once!
BV is right, it takes more than a couple of thousand miles to really "know" your bike.

I know that at 43, I am an old fart next to lots of you young pups.....but the busa works for me.

And don't worry......you may pass me in the curves once in awhile........but keep an eye on your mirrors.

I'll be there.
 
The '05 ninja 636 weighs 362lbs dry.
The '05 gsxr 1k weighs 365lbs dry.


The days of the lightweight hard cornering 600's beating the 1000's (given equal riders) are over... the slightly bigger engines just don't weigh much more.
 
BTW the guy who rode my Busa felt the Gixxer accelerated faster...he said the Busa does not have the
violent pull the Gixxer has @ 8K on up.   I have to disagree here to a point. I feel the Busa pulls as hard
but it does not accelerate as fast...especially from a roll on @ 50-60mph.
These are tons of fun on a Gixxer.  
I know my Busa well and I kinda know how much land I can cover from fast passes on the freeway....the Gix launches like freaking mad and id say I am easily 2 car lenghts past where the Busa would be on these short roll ons.
Try regearing the Busa into the same range as the 1K and watch what happens.
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BTW the guy who rode my Busa felt the Gixxer accelerated faster...he said the Busa does not have the
violent pull the Gixxer has @ 8K on up.   I have to disagree here to a point. I feel the Busa pulls as hard
but it does not accelerate as fast...especially from a roll on @ 50-60mph.
These are tons of fun on a Gixxer.  
I know my Busa well and I kinda know how much land I can cover from fast passes on the freeway....the Gix launches like freaking mad and id say I am easily 2 car lenghts past where the Busa would be on these short roll ons.
Try regearing the Busa into the same range as the 1K and watch what happens.
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My thoughts exactly. I tried looking for the post, but couldn't find it, of a listing of the gearing ratios of the 2 bikes. The 1000 6th gear is basically the same as our 4th. Their gears are WAY shorter to help them out of the corners. If the liter and Busa are rolling at the same speed, may it be 50 or 80 mph, the liter bike is more in it powerband than the Busa. Same speed, yes ... same RPM, no.

So try this, and I believe it was said in that post. Do a roll-on at 80mph in 6th gear with the liter, and a roll-on at 80mph in 4th on the Busa (similar gearing) and tell us the results  
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Also about the article mentioned earlier, a co-worker of mine read that article (Is bigger better). I plan on picking it up tonight to be certain but according to him, the article says the Gixxer has a top speed of 175. If that is indicated, the true might be somewhere arond 170. Ours has been GPS'd by members here at 182.

Personally, I'd prefer to practice on drag strips as opposed to getting rid of chicken strips...
 
Based on the lean and what the bike wanted for throttle ,id guess id have to be going at least 2.5 x the speed the Busa would be at the same weight shift/lean.
Nah, the way to look at it is the lighter litre requires less lean angle at the same speed. Lighter bikes, laws of physics. Good observation though. Sounds like you've got a good feel for the differences.
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Makes sence but leaning is fun. Didnt you miss having to lean the Busa alot in the corners when you got the 10R?

Id imagine the 600 requires even less of a lean angle, no?

Overall were you really happy with the change to the 10R in every aspect? Personally I am still a little confused as the why you got rid of the 10R, I mean could you outride the bike or did it scare you or?

I guess in some ways I kinda enjoy the causual twisty riding on the Busa which for the street is still well over the speed limit. With the Gixxer I suppose I will be wanting to go even faster since I like leaning.

The engine and brakes on the Gix are awesome, from what I have read the 10R has a great engine as well.

The thing is , I can keep my Busa another year but then it will drop in value by quite abit...enough that I will be locked into the bike for several years.
On the other hand I can get an 06' Gixxer and keep it a year and lose not too much.
Not including upgrades I am only losing $800 bucks and I put 7400 miles on it so far... but since I am putting miles on it still id imagine that I will lose a few hundred more.

From a finacial standpoint the Gix makes sence...and perhaps a year on it will make me a better rider.

Also who know what the Busas future holds...I can get another one someday.
 
Makes sence but leaning is fun. Didnt you miss having to lean the Busa alot in the corners when you got the 10R?

Id imagine the 600 requires even less of a lean angle, no?

Overall were you really happy with the change to the 10R in every aspect? Personally I am still a little confused as the why you got rid of the 10R, I mean could you outride the bike or did it scare you or?

I guess in some ways I kinda enjoy the causual twisty riding on the Busa which for the street is still well over the speed limit. With the Gixxer I suppose I will be wanting to go even faster since I like leaning.

The engine and brakes on the Gix are awesome, from what I have read the 10R has a great engine as well.

The thing is , I can keep my Busa another year but then it will drop in value by quite abit...enough that I will be locked into the bike for several years.
On the other hand I can get an 06' Gixxer and keep it a year and lose not too much.
Not including upgrades I am only losing $800 bucks and I put 7400 miles on it so far... but since I am putting miles on it still id imagine that I will lose a few hundred more.

From a finacial standpoint the Gix makes sence...and perhaps a year on it will make me a better rider.

Also who know what the Busas future holds...I can get another one someday.
Trust me, you'll still be leaning with the smaller and lighter bikes. As you experience the handling you will naturally start carrying more corner speed and leaning just as much as you did with the busa. As funny as it sounds, you will "grow into" the smaller bikes and their abilities.

And yes, the 636 requires less lean angle than the heavier 10 at the same speed in the same corner. Going to the 10 from the busa I edged up my corner speeds to take better advantage of the bike's abilities. I'm now edging them up even more to take advantage of the 6's ability to carry more speed. I took it slow with the 10 and I'll take it slow with the 636 to avoid blasting past either my abilities or the bike's.

You can bet that when you see someone on a 600 and they are *HAVING* to hang off and lean the shid out of it to hold a corner they are HAULIN' @SS! I'm not talking about the guys who use poor form and lean more than required. I'm talkin' about the guy using good form, hanging off (maybe draggin' a knee as well), and really pushing the tires despite his good techniques.
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If you just like leaning bikes, don't slide off the seat and just push it under instead of keeping your upper body inside the turn. That requires far more lean angle than riding properly does. You can even scrape hard parts and eliminate chicken strips and not really be going that fast.
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I prefer to ride properly fast enough to NEED whatever lean angle I have to dial in.

And no, I couldn't outride the 10. I doubt many people on the street could. Nor did it scare me. It was simply extreme overkill for my street twisty ridin'. A modern litre bike for the street is just plain stupid. Fun, but stupid... With all that in mind I decided that I could save on insurance, tires, gas, and even have a lower bike payment by going to a 600 and still have more power than I need for my kind of riding.

Since making the move I found that I was absolutely right in doing it. The 636 is still more bike than I need. Some 600 guys tried to tell me before I got the 10 that a modern 600 supersport bike would be more than enough for me. I let ego and nonsense overrule them. Now I've found out that they were 100% right. Most of the reasons people give on the net for not going with a 600 are just plain bunk...
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The new 600's have more power than anyone *NEEDS* for street twisties and they handle extremely well.

The **ONLY** reason I could come up with not to make this move was the "cool factor" of owning the baddest production Japanese litre bike in the world. Since my self worth is not measured by my cool factor I had no reason to keep the 10R and EVERY logical reason to get rid of it and go with a 600.

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The '05 ninja 636 weighs 362lbs dry.
The '05 gsxr 1k weighs 365lbs dry.


The days of the lightweight hard cornering 600's beating the 1000's (given equal riders) are over... the slightly bigger engines just don't weigh much more.
best thing said so far!!!!1000 for street riding is king .600 guys se nothing but tail light.and apex talk is bullshit on street you CANNOT correct if your using it so DONT !!!
 
The '05 ninja 636 weighs 362lbs dry.
The '05 gsxr 1k weighs 365lbs dry.


The days of the lightweight hard cornering 600's beating the 1000's (given equal riders) are over... the slightly bigger engines just don't weigh much more.
best thing said so far!!!!1000 for street riding is king .600 guys se nothing but tail light.and apex talk is bullshit on street you CANNOT correct if your using it so DONT !!!
1000 for street riding is serious overkill... for some of us... 636 cc's are plenty.
 
The only disadvantage I could see the 1000cc bike having is the additional gyros from the longer stroke.

However the 600cc bikes have to spin alot faster to get going so it might equal out.

Then you have the fact that the liter bikes are not picky about what gear they are in just like the Busa... you could be in 1st or 4th and the Gixxer 1K still pulls like a horse.

Be in the wrong gear in a 600 bike and you are toast.

Take a look at this scenario...
MJN ,me and several others went riding to Lolo pass in ID,MT awhile back. His brother is a very experienced rider yet he chooses to ride a dual sport bike with not much power, I think he said it has 35hp.
He said he was hitting these corners we were hitting @ 85mph, that was almost as fast as we were hitting them.

Thing is, I can let off the throttle and pick up my pace again instantly....the dual sport riders could not let off , ever.
He said they had their bikes throttles pinned all the way thru.
Talk about skill.

And I will stress again, who in the hell does not like torque? Torque is fun!

And its not the lack of HP on the 600s as to why they will fall behind with equal riders..its because they lack the torque.
 
Ok, I give up... Ya'll are right. 600's are shid and everyone needs a litre... Happy?
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BTW the guy who rode my Busa felt the Gixxer accelerated faster...he said the Busa does not have the
violent pull the Gixxer has @ 8K on up. I have to disagree here to a point. I feel the Busa pulls as hard
but it does not accelerate as fast...especially from a roll on @ 50-60mph.
These are tons of fun on a Gixxer.
I know my Busa well and I kinda know how much land I can cover from fast passes on the freeway....the Gix launches like freaking mad and id say I am easily 2 car lenghts past where the Busa would be on these short roll ons.
Try regearing the Busa into the same range as the 1K and watch what happens.
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I agree. Buddy just bought that same Gixxer 1,000 BV showed in his pics. Same exact color too. I would have gotten the yellow one,....but to each their own.

I could care less which is faster though. This whole "I'm faster then you gig" is funny to watch. I like my comfort level on my Busa better then the liter bikes period. It's just my thing I guess.

Went riding 2 days ago and switched off bikes with the '04 R1 and flickability while going down the road is incredibly easy, and the Busa felt like a big pig and would hardly budge it felt like in comparison. So it's the only downside I've noticed so far. So veering in and out of lanes and "thinking" yourself into a lane isn't going to happen.
 
we are tlking about bikes not rider bt.soo you show me equal riders on both bikes and it will show fast and smooth 1000 compared to a all out red lining 636 just to keep up!!unless your running a tight TRACK eviorment (wich no one mentioned)soo you may think your 636 is best for you but that just cause you havent leared how to abuse it yet !!!once you do. YOU will be back on a liter bike . the guy who started the thread rides a busa and is talking about trading off for a 1000 (wich may even be better than the busa )and you want to throw in a 600 lmfao !!you really cant ride can you?!!! but i give you credit you must read alot of books!!!but hey, i cant spell for #### so its all good.



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