Time for a little dissection in the name of consitency.
Tufbusa:
There is a reason Shinko tires are not Z rated!
Response:
Correct; Z rated is 149, the Shinko's are W rated which is 168 mph and quite coincidentally, faster than 149 mph.
Tufbusa:
No Shinko tire that I've ever seen is Z rated. That means one thing, there has been more than one fail at high speed.
Response:
I'm not sure about the failing at high speed part but you are correct about one thing here. There are no Shinko sportbike tires that are Z rated. They are all W rated, which is 168 mph, which btw is still faster than 149 mph.
Tufbusa:
I'd suggest you buy yourself a Chinese made Hyosung motorcycle then tell us about chinese quality control!
Response:
Hyosung motorcycles are made in Korea.
Hyosung Motors USA
Tufbusa:
I can reluctantly listen to you brag about your chinese junk but I can't let you off the hook on this one. To compare the performance of a low grade Chinese (Korea) touring tire with a high performance tire such as Bridgestone's BT016 definately shows your inability to judge tires.
Response:
How can you really judge anyone's ability to judge tires if you have not ridden on the same tires that they have and come up with a drastically different conclusion?
Also I'm pretty sure that the South Korean's and Chinese would have an issue with you basically saying that they are all alike.
Tufbusa:
Yep, LOW GRADE! Remember the people who really could test tires? I think it went something like "Poor side grip" & "Slow turn in" & "The rear would spin easily under throttle" & "Eight seconds slow" just to name a few. You were the one that posted up links to these tire tests.
Response:
But they also said
"the Stealth’s offer decent warm-up times comparable to that of the name brands."
" Bump absorption ranked highly and the tires generally delivered a very good ride."
"We were however very impressed by how much feel the rear tire offered. This made it easy to control the backend of the motorcycle under power sliding off a corner."
"With its humongous contact patch drive grip was excellent, delivering more grip off the corner than even the B Group’s Michelin Pilot Power 2CT."
"We especially appreciated the elevated feel from the back tire which made it fun to power slide on track."
And as far as your 8 seconds slow statement the 003's were less than one second slower than the Diablo Rosso and Pilot Power 2CT's and I don't see you telling anyone what cheap substandard tires those are even though they are also "8 seconds slow". Well actually 6 because IMHO the 005's are a sport/TOURING tire and should never have been included in this test.
Tufbusa:
"Touring tires are slower to heat up due to their heavy stiff carcass. Simply has more mass to heat and less flex to create heat. At no point will a touring tire give more grip than a street performance tire."
Response:
Are we talking about touring tires or sport touring?? If you were under the impression I was saying that a Pirelli MT75 was better than the Diablo Rosso Corsa then we can end this discussion right now. If, however, you are saying that in this world of occasional cold mornings, indiscriminate torrential downpours, bumper to bumper traffic, and the occasion blissful spirited back road that a pure sport tire is a better choice for the average Joe then we will have to agree to disagree.
Tufbusa:
The compound has little to do with creating heat, it's the flex in the carcass. Although contact friction is a contributing factor.
Response:
I never said that the compound had anything to do with creating heat, but different compounds act quite differently at different temperatures. Sport/track tires compounds are designed to work at a higher temperature than the compounds of Sport touring tires, thus the reason that sport/track tires tend to be sketchy on cooler days until they have warmed up and sport touring tires tend to get greasy if used on a track day. Another thing that sport touring tires have over sport/track tires on the street is the ability to hold heat. Stop for a couple of minutes on a cold morning and the street/track tire will have to warm up again where the sport/touring tire will be significantly warmer because of the extra tread compound's slower heat loss.
Dunlop has a helpful handy chart that clearly shows that unless you are constantly storming the canyon that a sport touring tire is a better choice.
Tire Tips
If you are a sunny warm day/trackday rider then indeed the street/track tire is probably a better choice. My personal preference is sport touring tires for the street and an extra set of track tires to spoon on for track days.
Tufbusa:
"You and Dehning both seem to base at least some of your tire knowledge on a forum figure who calls himself "MityMouse" who spends more time on convincing you how fast he can ride the back roads than he does boasting about his shinkos. MityMouse is a local up here in my neck of the woods and I don't think many folks would agree with you on his ability to test tires."
Response:
I have no idea who this MityMouse is and have read none of his posts. My experience with tires if from my own personal ravenous apetite for motorcycle tires. I have ridden on Metezeler ME-Z4's and Racetechs: Bridgestone BT010, BT020, BT021, BT002, BT003, and BT016: Avon Azaro ST's, Dunlop Qualifier and Roadsmart: Pirelli Diablo Corsa, Diablo Corsa III, Superbike Slicks and Diablo Strada: Michelin Pilot Power, Pilot Race, Power One, and Power 2CT: Shinko 005, 006, 003 and 011" and Tomahawk T1 and T3 Sport touring tires. Not just trying them out on a friends bike, but buying them for myself and pushing them to see what they were like and wearing them out.
As for the un-named authors in the articles in my previous post, the only reason I sited those particular pages was because they mirrored what I had read time and time again in many bike magazines and matched my own experience with tires.
A lot of the flak that you have caught throughout this thread is solely because you are making bold statements about a product that you have not actually had any first hand experience with.
Up until a month ago I thought The Hayabusa was a poseur bike that couldn't take a curve if it was being towed on a trailer and was as hard to steer as a tugboat pushing barges. I was mis-guided in my uninformed judgement. Could it be that perhaps this is also the case with you and Shinko tires?
