ended up going with the pirelli angels, as stated in my other thread. Love the tires so far, really like the aggressive tread/groove pattern on them. Been raining ever since i installed them sunday, but finally got to ride a bit today. Rode about 60 miles so far, being fairly easy on them until they get scuffed up good, but the tires felt and handled great so far. Time will tell when i get a few more miles on them and can push them a little harder. Everyone is always so concerned about mileage, i could really care less about it. Of course i would not want a tire that only last 2k miles, but i only manage to ride about 5-6k miles a year, so if i have to buy a new set each riding season i'm completely fine with that. Really likin the angels so far though