Superchargers...

I remember reading a topic on this a while back, try a search, i think it had some good insight on this topic.
 
never had Busa experience with them but I have had and built blown Harleys...they dont typically deliver as good of power gains as turbo's but they do stretch yer arms out when ya get a handful of throttle.
 
Thanks guys... I found the old topic, but there was no one that had any experience with one... I was hoping someone on here would have some more personal experience with a supercharger for the busa
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someone told me they take power to make power..not familiar at all with them to be honest.

hogger...
 
Best bang for the buck is Turbo. But if I had the money, I'd supercharge!!
 
(Charlesbusa @ July 08 2006 said:
Best bang for the buck is Turbo.  But if I had the money, I'd supercharge!!
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That answer is completely untrue.

With EITHER route, a perfect setup is VERY extensive, and sometimes (quilte possibly always) It will cost more to tune the damn setup then to build or install it.

I've worked with ALOT of turbo systems and can quite honestly tell you, MOST if not all supercharger systems are setup to run "out of the box", with very minimal tuning involved. Alot of the variables in turbo systems are not present with supercharger setups. Making most supercharger setups easier to install and tune.  Usually ending up more cost effective in the long run.

However, for MOST applications the best power to weight setup, a turbo is going to get you what you need for the win.

When it comes to Superchargers and Turbos. There was a statement above of "It takes power to make power" That is 100% true of a supercharger. A supercharger DOES require "parasitic power" to operate. They are ALWAYS driven by a spinning engine component. Be it a crank, cam, take off shaft etc... Never should they be driven off of a transmission!

However the other end of the spectrum is the turbo. They to are "parasitcly" powered, but from exhaust gas pressure. They are a scavenge devise. The ONLY problem that come with turbos are, at some point they are an exhaust restriction.



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To add on to what dopesick said, you have lag with a turbo (even tho for some of you turbo guys is very small).  You have to spool it up.  With a supercharger, there is no lag and the power hp/tq curves are generally going to be smoother and more predicatable with a sc.

Don

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I hoping to add one of the TTS packages to Guinevere next year.



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I dont know about bikes to much but i can sure tell you about cars and i am pretty sure it still follows the same principal.

I researched blower and turbo combo's ALOT and i found that yes in the long run turbo's are more expensive and are much harder to tune as dopesick was saying because turbo runs are not as a consistent as with a blower because they are not belt driven it depends totally on the exhaust to spool it which can have alot of variables each run. i also have found that most blower setups usually run out of gas in the upper RPM range where as a turbo setup would continue to pull alot longer before falling. turbo setups usually produce alot more torque and i also like the graphs, a turbo produces much higher numbers in the powerband. You can always tell from a dyno chart when the turbo spooled looks like a mountain on the chart lol. hmm what else did i want to add...oh yea Turbo setups for being much more effiecent then blowers usually produce higher overall numbers for running the same amount of psi because you take into account the parasitic loss from the blower....my opinion TURBO all the way! if i wrong about anything please correct me as i am still learning stuff after all this time lol :-). car is still a work in progress kinda stopped posting because alot of parts where on backorder ill post pics and info when the motor etc...comes in. when i checked a few days ago guy just needed the head studs which already shipped.

Thanks all :-)
 
(Dopesick Busa @ July 09 2006 said:
(Charlesbusa @ July 08 2006 said:
Best bang for the buck is Turbo.  But if I had the money, I'd supercharge!!
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That answer is completely untrue.

With EITHER route, a perfect setup is VERY extensive, and sometimes (quilte possibly always) It will cost more to tune the damn setup then to build or install it.

I've worked with ALOT of turbo systems and can quite honestly tell you, MOST if not all supercharger systems are setup to run "out of the box", with very minimal tuning involved. Alot of the variables in turbo systems are not present with supercharger setups. Making most supercharger setups easier to install and tune.  Usually ending up more cost effective in the long run.

However, for MOST applications the best power to weight setup, a turbo is going to get you what you need for the win.

When it comes to Superchargers and Turbos. There was a statement above of "It takes power to make power" That is 100% true of a supercharger. A supercharger DOES require "parasitic power" to operate. They are ALWAYS driven by a spinning engine component. Be it a crank, cam, take off shaft etc... Never should they be driven off of a transmission!

However the other end of the spectrum is the turbo. They to are "parasitcly" powered, but from exhaust gas pressure. They are a scavenge devise. The ONLY problem that come with turbos are, at some point they are an exhaust restriction.
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engines don't operate properly without some sort of backpressure. And street engines barely even run decently.


A belt driven supercharger requires as much power to operate as a smog pump on a car (same exact principle!!!!!). So if anyone doesn't think the parasitic loss is obvious....go drive your car and turn on the air conditioning. Remember many if not most cars have a MUCH greater displacement size than the application being discussed.

Very simple....a turbo at 6psi will make more hp than a supercharger setup because it requires less draw from the engine. At 6psi and without lowering the compression(on an entry level kit).....boost lag is non existant to a rider.


btw MOST turbosystems when operated at 6 psi or less and used within the guidelines of the kits require ZERO tuning other than what is provided with the turbo kits.


btw what the heck is a "take off shaft"?
 
Some people get their facts from anyone - smart people should listen to S4L, or Burt on these matters - enough said.
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Hummmmmmm, interesting, I just wonder why John Force and the Schu use Blowers if Turbos produce more power. Is the NHRA kinda backwards
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in their top speed and 1/4 mile record desires
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 I realize Force and the Schu have to build the cars according to NHRAs rules. But if a Turbo is better, then why don't they change
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Hah, I have researched this topic myself many times over in the debate on how to make the most efficient and usable power economically. My family owns a dragstrip here in eastern NC and I have seen it all. Team Ron Ayers has a TTS supercharged busa and all the resources to tune one, yet has never made a complete pass down the track. On the other hand, they have a turbo gixxer 1000 running low boost that gets down the track easily every time running good numbers. A good rule of thumb is that you have to pay to play, and the faster you wanna go, the more its gonna cost initially and down the road. The most reliable package for consistant good numbers has to still be the good ole 1397 with a lil juice.



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