Take a long look in the mirror
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OB_KawAbuser
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DUDE, maybe you can set an example for us and offer some useful information about the bike, maybe some personal tuning experiences, what parts you have found that do or do not fit, tire choices, or just something useful other than raising a flag and yelling how everybody should post. I agree with you so start by offering info, not ridicule.
WOW!
I thought most of the members here were from the United States of America -
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave
I am aware that this is a Hayabusa forum and am I am also aware that it is set in Cyberspace.
However with the idea that most members are indeed from the USA, one would think that the same considerations would be extended HERE.
FREE SPEECH.
I mean when an individual comes here, and mentions something fresh OR maybe out of one's comprehension, the net result ALWAYS ends up in FLAMES.
Those of us who grew up in the US maybe aren't appreciative of the principles of our society. Those who moved here from another country usually are much more so. We do live in the GREATEST COUNTRY on EARTH!
What I am driving home is this:
If you guys continue to disagree or don't appreciate someone's comments, fine. I just don't seem to understand why there seems to be a need to blow someone out for their views. It's kind of pointless. I'm just NOT convinced that if you were to have REAL contact with these individuals, that your responses would be anywhere close to what they are now.
Those of you with which this post is aimed at know who you are, but if you don't here's a reality check:
You likely never start a thread, but you surely have a lot of unassociated comments within each topic thread.
Most of you tend to question an individual's manhood or lack thereof.
You tend to try and discipline / correct the "offender" like he is a 4th grader and you are the teacher, on anything from his grammar, to his "choice of words".
Then YOU turn right around and do exactly what you advised not to do - "choose your words more carefully".
It's almost as though some of you have a GOD complex.
There are people here who come here that don't have a Busa or even a Suzuki, some are "accepted" most aren't.
I thought the purpose was to discuss the Busa and exchange information even that which might not apply to the busa.
It is really a sad sight that is among us, when we as the the most superior species on this planet, can't seem to respect one another. Here on the board many of you take on this whole new personality like Jekyll and Hyde. Because you can, and you don't care much about the consequences.
Well there are a lot of things that can be done, in real life that I am sure you DON'T do such as:
Arson
Murder
Robbery
Rape
Verbally Abusing your boss/wife/girl friend/ child/mom/ dad.
However you do abuse the hell out of people that you don't even take the time to know. It's as though from reading a short post you suddenly know every minute bit of information about him. So now you feel compelled to be the judge and jury and the verdict is almost everytime....Your full of poop or some other derogatory statement, which if you actually look at your reply and analyze it as much as you did the post which prompted your reply, you will see that you have immediately discredited YOURSELF of any wisdom you may have intended on bestowing on said individual.
Surely that can't be true. You of vast knowledge, wisdom, and experience. For you are the one who never misses an oppurtunity to respond to a post, usually with a comment not even remotely related to the topic.
Everyone has their opinions but you tend to think yours is truth. Yes you are the mathematical genious who tends to think you have determined for the competition that there is no chance of them raising the performance standard.
Well I like the idea that for $10499 MSRP (about the same as an economical car) you can buy a mode of transport with such performance. But to simply discount the idea of anything else being SUPERIOR is ignorant at best. SO WHAT, if another marque comes and is superior with less displacement, or even the same displacement, for a comparable price. Be happy with what you got, or are you only happy with what other people say is superior (media, fashion industry)?
It will happen. Whether it's this year or 10 years.
The "hero worship" in here is stifling. That energy would be better utilized improving one's riding skills.
Mat Mladlin who I (my OPINION) think is one of the FASTEST/BEST riders in the known world, rides an Intruder on the street. Fact is until you get on a racetrack and actually RACE you don't have a clue as to how much of a rider YOU AREN'T! Open track days and roadracing class is good, BUT the real measure of one's skills is to actually be on the grid with "40 of your closest friends" and eight laps later you actually finish your FIRST EVER race at a track you only first rode in that mornings practice for four laps without crashing or losing positions from where you started on the grid. Dragracing is fun but when I read your posts that pertain to skill and the street, and how you simply blown this person away, YOU ARE Kidding yourself at best and selling that individual short at worst, which makes you look like a fool.
There is no substitute for a REAL RACE in a controlled environment, no cars, Mailboxes, ditches, pedestrians, or oncoming traffic.
Plus you and your competition leave at the same time (unless waves are used) and you and said competition know the length of the race. On the street I have seen tooo many times when someone takes off and then is getting caught within minutes, slowly but surely, the lead rider realizes this and calls the race by slowing dramatically from MACH 1 to the posted speed limit. Later he says he got spooked or saw a cop or whatever poor excuse, just to feel superior.
I like drags too but I prefer roadracing because it is far more challenging and a better bang for your buck in the long run.
In a drag race the majority of the time the race is won at the tree. Sometimes it is done at the big end due to missed shifts or quicker shifts. At the strip you get about 2-3 time trials and then it's eleminations.
Each run is less than 13 seconds and the average JOE on today's modern sportbike will at least run 11.70's. (stock wheelbase unmodified cycle) So for all that you might get 2-3 minutes of riding time if you win the event. But you are there for hours and hours.
Roadracing implements a variation of the dragrace (the start) and you get at least 15 times the saddle time. You can even race "UP" a class.
So we all like bikes but some of us have different interests with them. What I am tired of hearing are the individuals who think they actually come remotely close to handling a bike with over 100hp and have never been in a sanctioned roadrace. You are the one's who aren't having fun in your first ever turn on the course during your mock race (held as a final phase of training), when your superior skills are called into question by your conscience, when you get passed by a stock CBR600F2 or and old piece of poop RZ350 or worse yet an old man on a 15 year old Ducati, whom you saw walk to class using a cane!
Here, have some humble pie, I made it especially for you.
I thought most of the members here were from the United States of America -
Land of the Free, Home of the Brave
I am aware that this is a Hayabusa forum and am I am also aware that it is set in Cyberspace.
However with the idea that most members are indeed from the USA, one would think that the same considerations would be extended HERE.
FREE SPEECH.
I mean when an individual comes here, and mentions something fresh OR maybe out of one's comprehension, the net result ALWAYS ends up in FLAMES.
Those of us who grew up in the US maybe aren't appreciative of the principles of our society. Those who moved here from another country usually are much more so. We do live in the GREATEST COUNTRY on EARTH!
What I am driving home is this:
If you guys continue to disagree or don't appreciate someone's comments, fine. I just don't seem to understand why there seems to be a need to blow someone out for their views. It's kind of pointless. I'm just NOT convinced that if you were to have REAL contact with these individuals, that your responses would be anywhere close to what they are now.
Those of you with which this post is aimed at know who you are, but if you don't here's a reality check:
You likely never start a thread, but you surely have a lot of unassociated comments within each topic thread.
Most of you tend to question an individual's manhood or lack thereof.
You tend to try and discipline / correct the "offender" like he is a 4th grader and you are the teacher, on anything from his grammar, to his "choice of words".
Then YOU turn right around and do exactly what you advised not to do - "choose your words more carefully".
It's almost as though some of you have a GOD complex.
There are people here who come here that don't have a Busa or even a Suzuki, some are "accepted" most aren't.
I thought the purpose was to discuss the Busa and exchange information even that which might not apply to the busa.
It is really a sad sight that is among us, when we as the the most superior species on this planet, can't seem to respect one another. Here on the board many of you take on this whole new personality like Jekyll and Hyde. Because you can, and you don't care much about the consequences.
Well there are a lot of things that can be done, in real life that I am sure you DON'T do such as:
Arson
Murder
Robbery
Rape
Verbally Abusing your boss/wife/girl friend/ child/mom/ dad.
However you do abuse the hell out of people that you don't even take the time to know. It's as though from reading a short post you suddenly know every minute bit of information about him. So now you feel compelled to be the judge and jury and the verdict is almost everytime....Your full of poop or some other derogatory statement, which if you actually look at your reply and analyze it as much as you did the post which prompted your reply, you will see that you have immediately discredited YOURSELF of any wisdom you may have intended on bestowing on said individual.
Surely that can't be true. You of vast knowledge, wisdom, and experience. For you are the one who never misses an oppurtunity to respond to a post, usually with a comment not even remotely related to the topic.
Everyone has their opinions but you tend to think yours is truth. Yes you are the mathematical genious who tends to think you have determined for the competition that there is no chance of them raising the performance standard.
Well I like the idea that for $10499 MSRP (about the same as an economical car) you can buy a mode of transport with such performance. But to simply discount the idea of anything else being SUPERIOR is ignorant at best. SO WHAT, if another marque comes and is superior with less displacement, or even the same displacement, for a comparable price. Be happy with what you got, or are you only happy with what other people say is superior (media, fashion industry)?
It will happen. Whether it's this year or 10 years.
The "hero worship" in here is stifling. That energy would be better utilized improving one's riding skills.
Mat Mladlin who I (my OPINION) think is one of the FASTEST/BEST riders in the known world, rides an Intruder on the street. Fact is until you get on a racetrack and actually RACE you don't have a clue as to how much of a rider YOU AREN'T! Open track days and roadracing class is good, BUT the real measure of one's skills is to actually be on the grid with "40 of your closest friends" and eight laps later you actually finish your FIRST EVER race at a track you only first rode in that mornings practice for four laps without crashing or losing positions from where you started on the grid. Dragracing is fun but when I read your posts that pertain to skill and the street, and how you simply blown this person away, YOU ARE Kidding yourself at best and selling that individual short at worst, which makes you look like a fool.
There is no substitute for a REAL RACE in a controlled environment, no cars, Mailboxes, ditches, pedestrians, or oncoming traffic.
Plus you and your competition leave at the same time (unless waves are used) and you and said competition know the length of the race. On the street I have seen tooo many times when someone takes off and then is getting caught within minutes, slowly but surely, the lead rider realizes this and calls the race by slowing dramatically from MACH 1 to the posted speed limit. Later he says he got spooked or saw a cop or whatever poor excuse, just to feel superior.
I like drags too but I prefer roadracing because it is far more challenging and a better bang for your buck in the long run.
In a drag race the majority of the time the race is won at the tree. Sometimes it is done at the big end due to missed shifts or quicker shifts. At the strip you get about 2-3 time trials and then it's eleminations.
Each run is less than 13 seconds and the average JOE on today's modern sportbike will at least run 11.70's. (stock wheelbase unmodified cycle) So for all that you might get 2-3 minutes of riding time if you win the event. But you are there for hours and hours.
Roadracing implements a variation of the dragrace (the start) and you get at least 15 times the saddle time. You can even race "UP" a class.
So we all like bikes but some of us have different interests with them. What I am tired of hearing are the individuals who think they actually come remotely close to handling a bike with over 100hp and have never been in a sanctioned roadrace. You are the one's who aren't having fun in your first ever turn on the course during your mock race (held as a final phase of training), when your superior skills are called into question by your conscience, when you get passed by a stock CBR600F2 or and old piece of poop RZ350 or worse yet an old man on a 15 year old Ducati, whom you saw walk to class using a cane!
Here, have some humble pie, I made it especially for you.
OB_ducmanic
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Hey "Prude",
Your obviously still in school by your reference to "Being beaten by an old man going to class with a cane riding a fifteen year old Ducati". Was that you i beat??
Ride like you mean it,
ducmanic
Los Angeles
Your obviously still in school by your reference to "Being beaten by an old man going to class with a cane riding a fifteen year old Ducati". Was that you i beat??
Ride like you mean it,
ducmanic
Los Angeles
OB_BigPete
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BRAVO........there are a few of us who want a return to a normal mildly mannered board. Like the earlier days.
Perhaps the moderator has a similar view ??
Perhaps the moderator has a similar view ??
OB_KawAbuser
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Dumanic
Beat it like you mean it!
You need to learn to respect your elders little boy, there is nothing wrong with a crippled guy riding a classic Ducati. The cane you mention is there to beat some respect into you boy!
(DUDD I can smell your green envy)
[This message has been edited by KawAbuser (edited 13 August 1999).]
Beat it like you mean it!
You need to learn to respect your elders little boy, there is nothing wrong with a crippled guy riding a classic Ducati. The cane you mention is there to beat some respect into you boy!
(DUDD I can smell your green envy)
[This message has been edited by KawAbuser (edited 13 August 1999).]
OB_RobBase
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By the way Dude, what is your point?
dude or who ever you are really!
I got about half way through your letter before I was bored to tears. You obviously had your feelings hurt my some post(probably under a different name) And now you scream "FREE SPEECH" *snicker*
"one would think that the same considerations would be extended HERE. FREE SPEECH."
Well my friend, it is alive. You post what you want and everyone else post what they want. Sound free enough for me. If you dont like the people here, guess what its a free country too, LEAVE!
FREE SPEECH right!
IMHO
I got about half way through your letter before I was bored to tears. You obviously had your feelings hurt my some post(probably under a different name) And now you scream "FREE SPEECH" *snicker*
"one would think that the same considerations would be extended HERE. FREE SPEECH."
Well my friend, it is alive. You post what you want and everyone else post what they want. Sound free enough for me. If you dont like the people here, guess what its a free country too, LEAVE!
FREE SPEECH right!
IMHO
OB_Cisco San Jose
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Free Speech to the Max,Thanks!!!!We are not alone,try riding a 88 VLX 600 Honda shadow to a Harley Event,talk about being talked down to,When are you going to get a real Harley,know what I didn't give a ##it back then cause I was having fun on that bike plus back then I couldn't afford a Harley.When I bought my first new Harley 92 Fatboy $13,900 out the door which include chrome swing arm,chrome front end,supertrap 2to1 pipe,and cam,rejetted carb and rode it for awhile that is when I realized how lame I was to think that Harley was the bike of bikes and how much I missed my 88VLX Honda which I bought for $3,200 out the door.No it wasn't the price of the bike but the comfort of the bike that I missed.Bottom line is the bike that is between your legs that day is the one that is going to put a smile on your face what ever brand it is,I even had fun with my full race 97 YSR-50 and no one said anything to me.I guess we should enjoy the ride we have what ever brand but we should band together as a group or family and fight the unjust and unfair laws that our Local/State/Federal bureaucrats/safety Czars push on us.Remember it's for the safety of our kids and family value,"new choice words" that will pass any law,so beware of your slick politician and remember this country was built from common people like you and me and it is written in our most Holy rule of the land which state For and by the People,"The Constitution",hey gals/guys it's us"People",Wake up America.
G
Guest
Well who ever this "Dude" fellow is he just signed up today and offers no information as to his identity. One way or another we are being deceived unless we are to believe this "Dude" read thousands of postings today before posting his message or he/she/it has been among us the whole time and now decides to post under a ficticous 'handle'. Some of the points made could be valid but would be better received (at least by me) without the use of trickery and deceit. If the poster can't be honest enough to post the real name they have been using all this time what else should we wonder about? Hey Dude - is there a reason for hiding behind a false profile?
Have YOU looked in the mirror lately and tried to remember who YOU are/were?!
[This message has been edited by Todd (edited 13 August 1999).]
Have YOU looked in the mirror lately and tried to remember who YOU are/were?!
[This message has been edited by Todd (edited 13 August 1999).]
OB_VegasDude
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quit using my cybername, speech may be free but my cybername isnt.......i bet this guy "dude" is a politician and still lives with his mother...........
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