The untold story of Jan 6th.

Bumblebee said:
My wife and I take care of a lady who was born in Holland and moved here when she was 8, her older sister and brother have told us stories of how things were during the war.....of the starvation and hatred of the occupiers.

I have spoken to many Canadian soldiers who went into Holland as liberators, I believe what these people tell me over any book.
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so now you just wrecked my version? great job for a A type guy.
 
max74 said:
avoiding again.....
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If your intent is to be on this forum to create division, you will find all this will lead to is you being ignored and sooner or later you will lose interest and go away.....I've seen it time and time again....

If you really want to be part of this forum and would like to be a contributing member then welcome...picking a fight with me will get you nowhere.

So say what you want, this is the internet and people can be ignored....
 
You now what, i'm truely done with you, have a nice live and go bother some one who cares. goodbye bumbelbee
and yeah i'm here to stire things up, hence my first comment in this thread, and no, this or any forum or the entire internet is not my life, so i truely dont give a f if i get ignored, what i do enjoy is that you showed your true collors by ignoring/avoiding and diverting the subject.....had enough dealings with people like you.
 
max74 said:
and you mine....have funn shill
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Just remember before you run away with your bottom lip stuck out, you engaged me.....on a post meant for someone else to respond to....

What I meant by being around this forum for a while is you get to know personalities and how we interact....we hack on @Zerks and he knows it and keeps coming back time and time again...

I'm not alone in this whole thing and it's been a back and forth for years....

If you stick your head in your shell every time someone hacks you, you won't last long here....
 
who says i'm running away? for you? Man i used to destroy shills when i still cared, you....i'm sorry bro, but i'm not going to waste my energy on someone like you or any other shill. I'm just gonna ignore you from now on, you showed your true collors and did every trick in the shill handbook. i used to enjoy getting these shills to a point when they talked them selfs in a corner....now, you go for it, in the mean time, people are waking up to the lies in big numbers every day, and with my head start....first you get pucked out, now they come to you for answers. Answers i dont have, only facts that can easily destroy any lie. And facts are facts, and truth will always overcome the lie. so have fun humblebee, but not with me, not interested and more importent....i just dont care.
 
max74 said:
who says i'm running away? for you? Man i used to destroy shills when i still cared, you....i'm sorry bro, but i'm not going to waste my energy on someone like you or any other shill. I'm just gonna ignore you from now on, you showed your true collors and did every trick in the shill handbook. i used to enjoy getting these shills to a point when they talked them selfs in a corner....now, you go for it, in the mean time, people are waking up to the lies in big numbers every day, and with my head start....first you get pucked out, now they come to you for answers. Answers i dont have, only facts that can easily destroy any lie. And facts are facts, and truth will always overcome the lie. so have fun humblebee, but not with me, not interested and more importent....i just dont care.
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See, if you didn't care, you would have not responded or spouted off like you did..

And that's ok, passion is what it is......if you are passionate about something there is nothing wrong with that...

I don't know what a "shill" is and frankly don't really care to be honest.

I'm not a brand new youngster who just fell off the turnip truck this morning......I know how the world works....I've spent more than my fair share of time in some very nasty places dealing with very nasty people and have survived....

So play, don't play, no worries, it's the internet......
 
max74 said:
yep indeed, but the part that most people seem to miss, that they all took an oath on the bible and you should'nt see the bible as a book of story's, but as a book of laws. So you cant hold others accountable for what they wright down and not uphold, but you can keep them on there oath to god. so dive deeper....no mather what your own believes are, its what others claim to believe, and the bible is about choise, you either follow the path of god and do good, or you follow the deciever......its all about choise, concent and contract....the moment you vote you enter a contract.....see where i'm getting at?
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Um actually, you do realize that A)There is no mention of the word God in our Constitution right? So lets start there. B)You do realize that America has more than one religion practiced here? C)Some of those religions are not of Christian beliefs. D) You do know we have properly elected officials in this country that are Muslim and accepted their Oath by placing their hand on the Quran. Right?

And surely you have read the Bill of Rights as an American. What is in the very first right guaranteed in those rights? Here I'll help. Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise.

The Quran has a set of teachings (laws) that are far different than the Christian bible you wish to use to launch some moral stance upon.

As you say dive deeper. We now have Muslims that are part of America. The ones I know are better Americans than a lot of natural Americans here in this country. For instance Muslims are not big believers in debt. Man Christians don't seem to care about that. Muslims don't tolerate infidelity. Christians could take some lessons there. They don't believe in the consumption of alcohol. How many drunk Christians should be changing faiths? How do you propose we silence their faith by which they took an oath upon here in the U.S. as a duly elected official? Maybe America needs some elected officials that would swear an oath of office by placing their hand a on a book of laws that tells them to have no debt, not drink and not screw around on their marital partners. They'd get my vote.
So by virtue of you being an American you should understand that every religion here is a right. Not a law. Also having no religion is also a right.
So please, don't use the building of Division argument, using the Bible to beat us over the heads to prove. You are asking me to vote for a Christian as an elected leaders. They make Christianity look pretty abysmal.
We are a majority Christian population here in this country. I respect that. I understand it creates a value system you may identify with. I respect that. But don't tell me what laws I am to live by as written by your faith you believe in. That is part of the division in America. People attempting to force religious doctrine upon us. We were founded as a country to specifically avoid that. It specifically wanted a separation of church and state. We have failed miserably as a country there also.
Be a better Christian and a better American, than you are being here.
 
TallTom said:
Um actually, you do realize that A)There is no mention of the word God in our Constitution right? So lets start there. B)You do realize that America has more than one religion practiced here? C)Some of those religions are not of Christian beliefs. D) You do know we have properly elected officials in this country that are Muslim and accepted their Oath by placing their hand on the Quran. Right?

And surely you have read the Bill of Rights as an American. What is in the very first right guaranteed in those rights? Here I'll help. Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting its free exercise.

The Quran has a set of teachings (laws) that are far different than the Christian bible you wish to use to launch some moral stance upon.

As you say dive deeper. We now have Muslims that are part of America. The ones I know are better Americans than a lot of natural Americans here in this country. For instance Muslims are not big believers in debt. Man Christians don't seem to care about that. Muslims don't tolerate infidelity. Christians could take some lessons there. They don't believe in the consumption of alcohol. How many drunk Christians should be changing faiths? How do you propose we silence their faith by which they took an oath upon here in the U.S. as a duly elected official? Maybe America needs some elected officials that would swear an oath of office by placing their hand a on a book of laws that tells them to have no debt, not drink and not screw around on their marital partners. They'd get my vote.
So by virtue of you being an American you should understand that every religion here is a right. Not a law. Also having no religion is also a right.
So please, don't use the building of Division argument, using the Bible to beat us over the heads to prove. You are asking me to vote for a Christian as an elected leaders. They make Christianity look pretty abysmal.
We are a majority Christian population here in this country. I respect that. I understand it creates a value system you may identify with. I respect that. But don't tell me what laws I am to live by as written by your faith you believe in. That is part of the division in America. People attempting to force religious doctrine upon us. We were founded as a country to specifically avoid that. It specifically wanted a separation of church and state. We have failed miserably as a country there also.
Be a better Christian and a better American, than you are being here.
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His avatar screens says he's from the Netherlands...and he mentioned he's living in Germany...
 
Funny that you all seem to think how your country works.....here wiki, Biden taking his oath on a ?


and its for you to figure out if you can tell them to uphold your constitution or his oath to god....and again, i'm not into god, they claim to be....but never mind, go wear your mask when biden tells you to, take your shot and stop driving when gas prices go through the roof.....cause you think its costing in the US....just wait till you reach EU prices
 
max74 said:
Funny that you all seem to think how your country works.....here wiki, Biden taking his oath on a ?


and its for you to figure out if you can tell them to uphold your constitution or his oath to god....and again, i'm not into god, they claim to be....but never mind, go wear your mask when biden tells you to, take your shot and stop driving when gas prices go through the roof.....cause you think its costing in the US....just wait till you reach EU prices
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Got one better for ya'll, we the people, and thats what you get if your to lazy to do your homework....cause people comes from the word persons....all the way back to where all roads go......and if you think your a person, have fun. so even you constitution is nothing but a trap in some shinny words.
 
for those of you who do want to a piece of the puzlle


and he does some great interviews, where explains more.
 
max74 said:
your missing the point....the bible is the key to your answers and yes its heavily edited....thats why you want to use the oldest bible you can find....(also writtin by a king, go figure), but even your bill off rights? So who are these people that claim to give YOU rights.....you know them? I dont, the bible or the creator gave you rights, and those rights are free will, land, fish in the see, equeal to every other man....so can you just build a house on a land of your choise? Or fish without a permitt? forgett about laws and man who claim to have the right to rule you....remember, the deciever....you are concenting to contract with them all by believing your a person who has the right to vote and to live under there rules. This goes way deeper then you think and its been going on way longer then most off us think, the FACT is that the same people who are bonded by blood are ruling the peasants for a long time now, and why....cause you believe it. Its that simple, you and me believe that there fiction is the way to not live in a world of chaos. Cause without there rules there would be chaos, or so your told from birth till now....and all these people live a life of luxury while you the peasant pay for there luxury. and yes, that means tucker to....stop watching the news and stop watching there theatre.....nobody is forcing you to watch and believe its true, you do this at your own FREE will.
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I have to ask you after you read a short segment of below of JFK's speech from 4-27-61. Do you think JFK was also a "conspiracy theorist" in the most derogatory manner in which those words are used to discredit anyone that speaks out in opposition to the wayward ways of our leaders in politics?

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

Clearly it was a deep revealing moment when JFK spoke these words above. Some people think it contributed to his early death because identifying those kind of people in general terms only angered those people that understood he was referring those conspiracy minded people.
 
Zerks said:
I have to ask you after you read a short segment of below of JFK's speech from 4-27-61. Do you think JFK was also a "conspiracy theorist" in the most derogatory manner in which those words are used to discredit anyone that speaks out in opposition to the wayward ways of our leaders in politics?

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence--on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.

Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed."

Clearly it was a deep revealing moment when JFK spoke these words above. Some people think it contributed to his early death because identifying those kind of people in general terms only angered those people that understood he was referring those conspiracy minded people.
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i dont see myself as a conspiracy theorist, nice word but there is no conspiracy....its all done in the open for those who are willing to look further then there nose is long....and theory...well, all i can say, everything is a theory, or atleast for what is going on, what will happen and who is behind it. i just keep things at facts....for the JFK, not dove real deep into this one, saw one breakdown of another TRUTHSEEKER were shadows didn't match up with the films that where givin to the public....so what happend there? i dont know and honestly, in a world based on lies, it would be just another lie to fill the big pile of lies. All i know is that the Kennedy family is also a wealthy family, so go figure. And with this event and the many different misleading versions....kind a like the usual playbook, you divide people cause everyone has his own opinion about it. My wife brought me in to contact with a eye witness off 9/11, lives with his wife a couple of towns over....and when you see what it does to people to tell your version of what you and who knows how much others where screaming on the streets....NO PLANES, while the tv next to them showed something completly different. This guy's live is consumed about what he saw with his own eyes. I'm not going on that road, i just stick to facts, and its facts that got me on this path, cause i was going to be the one who would proof all these crazy conspiracy theorist wrong....untill i got to a point that i could litarly find not a single piece of evidence or fact that they were...but sorry Zerks, even you are following the same misleading BS, its a deep rabbithole with no ending and a lott of misleading side doors, and in the end its not even imprortent, its all about knowing who you are and who your not. so you might think your this person on your pasport, but thats where this stuff is all based on, your pasport, driverslicense, all goverment property, so that means you as a person to...a person comes from latin (mask) and a mask is not living....so does your toothbrush have rights?
 
"On subversion instead of elections" Sounds like he saw Trump coming decades in advance.
 
max74 said:
i dont see myself as a conspiracy theorist, nice word but there is no conspiracy....its all done in the open for those who are willing to look further then there nose is long....and theory...well, all i can say, everything is a theory, or atleast for what is going on, what will happen and who is behind it. i just keep things at facts....for the JFK, not dove real deep into this one, saw one breakdown of another TRUTHSEEKER were shadows didn't match up with the films that where givin to the public....so what happend there? i dont know and honestly, in a world based on lies, it would be just another lie to fill the big pile of lies. All i know is that the Kennedy family is also a wealthy family, so go figure. And with this event and the many different misleading versions....kind a like the usual playbook, you divide people cause everyone has his own opinion about it. My wife brought me in to contact with a eye witness off 9/11, lives with his wife a couple of towns over....and when you see what it does to people to tell your version of what you and who knows how much others where screaming on the streets....NO PLANES, while the tv next to them showed something completly different. This guy's live is consumed about what he saw with his own eyes. I'm not going on that road, i just stick to facts, and its facts that got me on this path, cause i was going to be the one who would proof all these crazy conspiracy theorist wrong....untill i got to a point that i could litarly find not a single piece of evidence or fact that they were...but sorry Zerks, even you are following the same misleading BS, its a deep rabbithole with no ending and a lott of misleading side doors, and in the end its not even imprortent, its all about knowing who you are and who your not. so you might think your this person on your pasport, but thats where this stuff is all based on, your pasport, driverslicense, all goverment property, so that means you as a person to...a person comes from latin (mask) and a mask is not living....so does your toothbrush have rights?
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I get it... ignorance is bliss, don't believe anything, and keep your toothbrush handy in case you need it one day. lol !

The history of the JFK hit is likely the most researched and written about event of the 20th century. So, we will let the chips fall where they may because people conspire with each other to do things that are considered legal and illegal everyday. The words "conspiracy theory" are just another phrase labeled for the purpose of discrediting anybody digging for the truth.

JFK had a pretty good understanding of how the world worked, who was involved, what their goals were and how "they" went about achieving them. How did he know what he knew? He was close up to it, his father was close up to it and knew the dark side of the illegal alcohol business because he was part of it. . So, for JFK to be effective as a president he had to play his hand in ways that would gain him support in the public eye. Had that not been his strategy as a sitting president he would not have had the power to influence the nation in a direction where it could prosper in safety and honestly.

Pick up a copy of Crossfire by Jim Marrs ( RIP ) if you want to know the naked truth about why JFK was murdered in broad daylight in front of hundreds of people while sitting next to his wife.

9-11? A financial crime topped with... never let a crisis go to waste... we can profit hundreds of billions on this one.

So, yes... you are right... they do everything out in the open... the only problem is the lies they tell you about it afterwards.
 
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