To Power Command, or not to Power Command

[Johnnycheese]

Dude.....I'm not gonna open that can of worms....trust me.  All I will say is check out the PC III R.  It can adjust TIMING.  My timing is bumped up with my PCIIIR and dont have to use TRE.  Plus....a TRE can fug up a good map.  Trust me.....I've seen it with my own eyes on a dyno.  Cheese head made me investigate what was going on.....and the crabby bastid is correct...........imagine that!!! :-)  Now if he would move further north, I could get a kick aZZ map for the bus.

I like down south, you get to ride more

 

[MeltDownZ]

Dude.....I'm not gonna open that can of worms....
a TRE can fug up a good map.  
Trust me.....I've seen it with my own eyes on a dyno.

You're not going to open that can of worms? Hmmm... perhaps it's because timing and fuel mapping have virtually nothing to do with each other. So, then, if I'm to trust you, what are your credentials or what material can you reference that would make it good sense to trust that your opinion supercedes the common understanding of how timing affects a combustion engine? What exactly did you see on the dyno?

 

[BigDawg_03Busa]

Why don't you clue me in?

???  Much easier that way, and does'nt waste nearly the amount of time we are wasteing now!!!

why are you even dealing with anyone in Dallas, or the Metroplex area.
you come down and let the master work his magic.
there has to be a reason they come from faraway to here and yet you are 3 hours away and don't have a clue

JC, how much HP gain can one get from the basic (non engine mods).....PCIIIr, full exhaust, air filter, air box mod..

I'm asking because there are some locals claiming 170-180rwhp (after the same mods) on their stock zx12s. Can the Busa reach the 180 rwhp plateau w/o engine mods?

 

[Johnnycheese]

Why don't you clue me in?

???  Much easier that way, and does'nt waste nearly the amount of time we are wasteing now!!!

why are you even dealing with anyone in Dallas, or the Metroplex area.
you come down and let the master work his magic.
there has to be a reason they come from faraway to here and yet you are 3 hours away and don't have a clue

JC, how much HP gain can one get from the basic (non engine mods).....PCIIIr, full exhaust, air filter, air box mod..

I'm asking because there are some locals claiming 170-180rwhp (after the same mods) on their stock zx12s.  Can the Busa reach the 180 rwhp plateau w/o engine mods?

nope.
the 12 just puts out more due to the collector. just look at the oil pan and you will see why.
I have had 173 out of an 03 but it had 159 bone stock.
with a pc3r not a usb

 

[oldhat]

Hey MD..........you need to take a chill pill. I neve said that the two were related.....show me where I did! TRE don't adjust fuel, they adjust timing. PCIIIR's can adjust timing and fuel. Do your homework before you try to start a flame. Nor did I say I did the tuning now did I? I saw that the HP curve on the dyno was much less smooth when the TRE was in. The curve was much smoother without the TRE. Geez Dude, relax will ya???

 

[MeltDownZ]

Hey MD..........you need to take a chill pill.  I neve said that the two were related.....show me where I did!  TRE don't adjust fuel, they adjust timing.  PCIIIR's can adjust timing and fuel.  Do your homework before you try to start a flame.  Nor did I say I did the tuning now did I?  I saw that the HP curve on the dyno was much less smooth when the TRE was in.  The curve was much smoother without the TRE.  Geez Dude, relax will ya???

Yes you did. Your words...

"Plus....a TRE can fug up a good map."

My first point is that timing and fuel mapping are independant. The TRE will never affect your fuel map (mix). If you meant your horsepower output than you mispoke. Also, there's no lack of homework on knowing that the PCIIIR's can adjust timing. Again, timing and fuel mapping are independant and one does not mess up the other.

Also your words...

"I saw that the HP curve on the dyno was much less smooth when the TRE was in."

My 2nd point is that people use the TRE to smooth out the surge during low rpm performance. The horsepower curve will address the sputtering once the load to the engine is on but does not address the surge like the TRE does.

My primary beef with what you have said regarding the TRE is that most of it is wrong. If you said the TRE will take away from max horse power than I wouldn't have an issue. But to say the TRE will mess up your fuel mapping is spreading mis-info. Also to use the dyno output as evidence that the TRE affected your map is also incorrect.

 

[oldhat]

LOL.....you miss my point. I said timing and fuel have nothing to do with each other. You just confirmed what I said....but whatever.

fine......go race a dyno. I'm not gonna get in a pissing match with ya. My point was if you have a good map and then add a TRE it can hurt your performance. But whatever......your a tuning master....and cheese is full of sh!t.......buh bye now. I said it before and I'll say it again.....take a chill pill man. I'm not the first person you've gone after here............sure I wont be the last, but damn dood....I hope you dont some help from someone who you pissed off on this board.

the thread be dead slick.

 

[MeltDownZ]

LOL.....you miss my point.  I said timing and fuel have nothing to do with each other.  You just confirmed what I said....but whatever.

fine......go race a dyno.  I'm not gonna get in a pissing match with ya.  My point was if you have a good map and then add a TRE it can hurt your performance.  But whatever......your a tuning master....and cheese is full of sh!t.......buh bye now.  I said it before and I'll say it again.....take a chill pill man.  I'm not the first person you've gone after here............sure I wont be the last, but damn dood....I hope you dont some help from someone who you pissed off on this board.

the thread be dead slick.

I just asked you to substantiate your statement which seemed incorrect. That's far from 'going after you'.

 

[aljanmay]

Johnny, does a pcIIIR do anything for a bone stock 03. I was thinking of getting a pcIIIR this winter followed next summer by an exhaust when I get enough money together. Just wondering if I should wait until I've got the money for everything or piece it together as I get the extra money.

 

[Johnnycheese]

Johnny, does a pcIIIR do anything for a bone stock 03. I was thinking of getting a pcIIIR this winter followed next summer by an exhaust when I get enough money together. Just wondering if I should wait until I've got the money for everything or piece it together as I get the extra money.

yes it would but.............
the money you would spend to map it correctly would not be well spent. wait till you get the pipe.

 

[aljanmay]

Thanks Johnny, Can you PM me with a $ on a pcIIIR and an exhaust system purchased thru you? If I remember right you are partial to Muzzy. I'm in the Chicago area, but I'd like to buy a system thru you that is already programmed, if that is possible.