What a Joke (zx12r)

Dp, I haven't read the articles yet but someone called Me that did, and from what I was told, Gadson asked to lower the bike and then ran a best time...9.89.

What I don't understand is where is the 3 tenths at from the times he ran on his 12 that he told everyone was the same as a production model? (9,50's/9.89)Big difference!

Thats the same as 15hp missing!

They said(kaw)that thier adjustments did effect acceleration???

The only thing in the aftermarket world that will have anything to do with recovering that will be a pw2 or something similar.

If I had a zx-12(not!) I would pull all that fuel injection stuff and mount a set of carb's & dyna ignition untill they get all thier worries figured out...?

They said(kaw) that after Gadson ran his times at Gainesville that they had 5,800 orders for only 4,200 being built.
You know that number has to be off because look at all the guy's that got smart a decided to buy a Busa.

The zx-12 is already $2,000 more....just think, your going to need to spend even MORE money just to get it to keep up with a STOCK BUSA!....

....Hahaha!

I feel sorry for the guy's that waited for this bike.
 
Frank I agree with your comments.

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I am not a "Hayabusa hater", but an owner.

I like to win with a level playing field and I strongly believe the table is not level.
It is restricted boys whether you want to believe it or not.

Just seems strange to me when you look at the dyno curve dip at 8000 rpm. Also Cycle world is claiming it as known--they are out on a limb if they are wrong.

The truth will come out eventually
 
Right on...Bob!

You know My guess is that Kawasaki will let what needs to be done to recover what they took away....leak out to the aftermarket?

Right now I think the zx-12 should sit in the same performance class as the R1?

And if the money differences were an issue, You can bet your asss that I'd be buying an R1 way before a 12!!

Bob, didn't you even decide to buy a R1 over zx-12 for a 2nd bike?

If so, I need to get you a pic of this R1 thats local!
This guy has it all lowered and streached 6 inches, painted bright yellow, with all the goods with just a stock motor.(real nice bike!)
 
Frank: You're right to say Gadson had 15 hp missing. The .50s he made were on a strapped 12 with a Muzzy pipe. The Muzzy pipe delivers EXACTLY 15 rwhp. The .89 he ran was with the stock pipe and strapped.

C.Dolan: Your point about Gadson being at sea on an unstrapped bike makes perfect sense.

Jeff: RIGHT ON. When a racer loses he says "You beat me, good goin'." He doesn't say "Hey man my spark plugs were dirty...I'll kill you next time!"

[This message has been edited by Dirty Pete (edited 22 April 2000).]
 
Dirty P,
The Hayabusa cost $1500 less, makes 10 foot pounds more torque and goes faster.

That sounds equal to me.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, the 12 is more comfortable for some. I guess they're equal.
 
This will be my last post on the subject then I'll get off it.
The Busa is still my choice regardless of restriction or not. I like the low end torque a 1299cc mill makes, and in my opinion it is a better looking ride.

"Stock bike" should not have the government involved is the main point I was trying to make. Built as the engineers intended is what I expected and I'm not sure that's what was released.
Frank--The R1 is home and safe and almost broken-in. Next is a pipe/Ivan's needles/??
 
All I can say is, the fat lady didn't sing yet! Its funny how one mag writes a negative article and the busa guys whip it out like a gun. (I told you so, Na! Na!) It’s not over yet, not by a long shot. In this same article they confirm that these bike are limited. We know what the busa has (on a good day 194mph) We have no idea what the 12 has, and if you still think the 12 isn't limited, you better take your head out of the sand. When the dust settles, And the sh1t throwing stops, contrary to what you busa boys have led yourselves to believe the 12 will be the fastest motorcycle on the planet.

Koz


[This message has been edited by Bill Koz (edited 23 April 2000).]
 
Bill Koz:<<We have no idea what the 12 has, and if you still think the 12 isn't limited, you better take your head out of the sand.>>

Who's to say that the Busa isn't limited?

I think instead of writing effortless responces like this one, You should be the one to put your energies into showing Us how well this zx-12 can perform...?

Koz, don't expect any positive replies to your responce.

Busa's "R" US
 
Koz is just another 12 sore loser. Whether the 12 is restricted or not stock vs stock the Busa is on top. I've seen no real evidence produced proving any restictions are in place - just a lot of sour grapes. Whatever the case history will record that a stock 12 came up short. This isn't from one mag - this is from pretty much EVERY mag with the two latest being Motorcyclist and CycleWorld. The 12 has never outperformed the Busa in top speed and quarter mile in ANY test ever published. It CONSISTANTLY falls short when taking all the tests into account. The bikes are very close but in stock form the 12 DOES NOT perform as it was claimed it would. Add mods to both bikes and things change but that has nothing to do with official stock versus stock testing. The only question left that hasn't been answered is when some of you are going to start taking it like men instead of making excuses? The 12 is a nice bike - now make the most of it and stop bitching for a change. The 12 fell short based on the goal but it's close enough that rider skill, a few mods etc could be sufficient on the street. It's not our fault you guys have to eat crow for all the months of bogus claims (like 208 mph, 9.3 1/4) made on our website.
 
Did all of you miss page 41 of the June Cycle World where Mr. Edwards explained the restriction of the 12 in great detail? Or were you all missing that page? Over 30 posts on this topic and no one mentions page 41?

And you guys say the 12 owners are in denial! Hahahahaha!
 
I just don't understand what the problem here is. If you take a busa right off the showroom floor and a 12r off the showroom floor, the busa is the better bike. That was the way the manufacturers released them. You can call it restricted, you can call it unmodified, modified, or any other thing you'd like. It doesn't change the facts. The minute you do ANYthing to a bike you've MODIFIED it. I don't care if you put a different tire on it, slip on cans, a new wind screen or fuggin fuzzy dice. It's a mod. Grow up and get used to it.

[This message has been edited by insinu8 (edited 24 April 2000).]
 
My point has nothing to do with the Busa vs 12 pissing contest. That is just about bragging rights on the playground. Page 41 is proof posotive that the handwringers are starting to effect our sport.

People are all excited that this means that one bike is better than the other. Wake up!

What it really means is that some safetycrat has decided how fast motorcyclists should go. What is next?
 
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