lil charlie
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Cap,
I agree and disagree with you at the same time. We should protect the honor of our soldiers just as much as they protect us by putting their life on the line. At the same time I don’t see how we can prosecute someone for a lie. He told a group of people that he served and was awarded metals. That means he has no morals or values and should be caned from his job as he has no right to represent “the people†anymore. I do not see this any worse off (as the law should see it) as me telling my boss I got a degree from some Ivy League school when I did not. Is it illegal to pretend to be a police officer, doctor, or lawyer? Not if you are only telling a bunch of people that you are. It becomes illegal once to try to perform said services that it becomes illegal and then it becomes fraud which is different that lies. He should not be prosecuted for that lie unless he tried to perform the services of “said†Marine and since he didn’t have the courage to step on the battle field or on a base in uniform I have to say he should not be prosecuted. Now, as Skydivr said… We should be prosecuting him for fraud based upon the monetary value of the services and goods that we can PROVE he ONLY got from venders/people based upon his claim of phony service.
If we start this slippery slope of some lies are illegal and some are not who gets to say which professions qualify and which don’t? Where will it stop? Just because you and I have strong moral values doesn’t mean everyone does. It is against some people’s religion to back/support the military. Does a judge have the right to say your values matter more than the next guy? I fully agree that our service man and woman deserve the up most respect but not everyone feels that way. We need to make laws that are not discriminatory against anyone, even the jerks who think it’s okay to lie about it. Fire him from office and get him on the fraud. Karma will take care of the rest.
You also made a statement about people used to have more respect and not cross lines that people are doing now. That people do it no on purpose and claim freedoms. I disagree with you again on this one. Not that they aren’t doing it, because they are, but that fact that what you imply is that they can’t claim freedom. That is what makes our country great, we are free and they are within their rights to cross most (not all) of the lines. I say most because I’m not talking about the ones who are breaking laws while doing it. Crossing these lines is what got the civil rights action in place and women’s rights to vote. We must test the waters in order to create and expand. I get that the lines you are talking about are not the same lines as I just mentioned but I was trying to make a point. You are referring to these punk kids who have no respect for their elders and like to push buttons just because they can. It pisses me off too but it’s part of what I fell is the downward spiral of the morals and values of this country. That’s parents not doing a good enough job raising their kids. The constitution should not be punished by making parts of the 1st amendment restricted. Free speech is just that….free.
Bottom line is I think the guy is a bottom of the barrel, yellow bellied, scrupulous liar! But it is his right to lie if he wants, even about something that we fell is a line that should not be crossed. Prosecution for a lie should only come from prudery.
I agree and disagree with you at the same time. We should protect the honor of our soldiers just as much as they protect us by putting their life on the line. At the same time I don’t see how we can prosecute someone for a lie. He told a group of people that he served and was awarded metals. That means he has no morals or values and should be caned from his job as he has no right to represent “the people†anymore. I do not see this any worse off (as the law should see it) as me telling my boss I got a degree from some Ivy League school when I did not. Is it illegal to pretend to be a police officer, doctor, or lawyer? Not if you are only telling a bunch of people that you are. It becomes illegal once to try to perform said services that it becomes illegal and then it becomes fraud which is different that lies. He should not be prosecuted for that lie unless he tried to perform the services of “said†Marine and since he didn’t have the courage to step on the battle field or on a base in uniform I have to say he should not be prosecuted. Now, as Skydivr said… We should be prosecuting him for fraud based upon the monetary value of the services and goods that we can PROVE he ONLY got from venders/people based upon his claim of phony service.
If we start this slippery slope of some lies are illegal and some are not who gets to say which professions qualify and which don’t? Where will it stop? Just because you and I have strong moral values doesn’t mean everyone does. It is against some people’s religion to back/support the military. Does a judge have the right to say your values matter more than the next guy? I fully agree that our service man and woman deserve the up most respect but not everyone feels that way. We need to make laws that are not discriminatory against anyone, even the jerks who think it’s okay to lie about it. Fire him from office and get him on the fraud. Karma will take care of the rest.
You also made a statement about people used to have more respect and not cross lines that people are doing now. That people do it no on purpose and claim freedoms. I disagree with you again on this one. Not that they aren’t doing it, because they are, but that fact that what you imply is that they can’t claim freedom. That is what makes our country great, we are free and they are within their rights to cross most (not all) of the lines. I say most because I’m not talking about the ones who are breaking laws while doing it. Crossing these lines is what got the civil rights action in place and women’s rights to vote. We must test the waters in order to create and expand. I get that the lines you are talking about are not the same lines as I just mentioned but I was trying to make a point. You are referring to these punk kids who have no respect for their elders and like to push buttons just because they can. It pisses me off too but it’s part of what I fell is the downward spiral of the morals and values of this country. That’s parents not doing a good enough job raising their kids. The constitution should not be punished by making parts of the 1st amendment restricted. Free speech is just that….free.
Bottom line is I think the guy is a bottom of the barrel, yellow bellied, scrupulous liar! But it is his right to lie if he wants, even about something that we fell is a line that should not be crossed. Prosecution for a lie should only come from prudery.