Why are attackers seen as victims?

[jellyrug]

In the modern world today, looks like those who rob stores, attack civilian home owners, have intentions to murder innocent people, and commit crimes are favored. The attacker or criminal becomes the poor victim.

Perhaps we should just change our society to one where those who contribute with blood sweat and tears of hard work, give everything they have to those who don’t?

That is pretty much our open border policy today, don’t you think?

Crazy.

Armed homeowner who defended family in driveway shoot-out says he's been stripped of gun permit

California temporarily suspended the concealed carry license of Los Angeles homeowner Vince Ricci after he opened fire on two armed suspects who ambushed him at his front door.

www.foxnews.com

 

[SSGT_B]

Texas has castle law. Although some things can still be scrutinized, cross my foot un invited, you will leave in a body bag. Just make sure they fall inside the house. Two in the chest and one in the head will ensure they cannot play victim afterwards. “Officer, when they kicked in my door, I can only assume they intended to hurt my family, that won’t be the case today”

 

[jellyrug]

Texas has castle law. Although some things can still be scrutinized, cross my foot un invited, you will leave in a body bag. Just make sure they fall inside the house. Two in the chest and one in the head will ensure they cannot play victim afterwards. “Officer, when they kicked in my door, I can only assume they intended to hurt my family, that won’t be the case today”

We have the castle law here in NC also, but no matter the conditions, once you pull the trigger, that firearm is bye bye, you never see it again. In most cases they put you in the slammer for up to 48 hours, until a judge is available to hear your case and make sure you are safe to be back in public. If your attacker got away, he is enjoying life outside for the time you are inside.

 

[SSGT_B]

We have the castle law here in NC also, but no matter the conditions, once you pull the trigger, that firearm is bye bye, you never see it again. In most cases they put you in the slammer for up to 48 hours, until a judge is available to hear your case and make sure you are safe to be back in public. If your attacker got away, he is enjoying life outside for the time you are inside.

Sounds about right. You “may” get your firearm back here, but it will be a while after all the legalities are verified and scrutinized and you are cleared of any wrongdoing. It does suck however that criminals and criminal activity is more protected than the honest decent folks.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

He yelled at a cop and got his permit taken away. Bahahahaha
It’s California. He deserves what he’s got now, can’t carry and a future victim.
Meanwhile mayor Adams in NYC is slashing nypd and school budget to pay for more illegals. It is a purposeful replacement of those hard working people you mentioned with loyal servants. The great reset and all that you know….

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

He yelled at a cop and got his permit taken away. Bahahahaha
It’s California. He deserves what he’s got now, can’t carry and a future victim.
Meanwhile mayor Adams in NYC is slashing nypd and school budget to pay for more illegals. It is a purposeful replacement of those hard working people you mentioned with loyal servants. The great reset and all that you know….

He deserves what he’s got?

 

[LC4CARL]

Currently working my way through "Deadly Force." The ability to articulate why the reasonable man, in this situation, would take the actions you did, is recurring.

 

[Bumblebee]

Well here in the "Great White North" we have no castle or stand your ground law here nor do we have any carry laws..

If a bad guy breaks in my front door and I hurt him, I can be held liable.....

If I was able to get to my gun safe, unlock it, get to my ammo safe, unlock that and then be able to fire upon the intruder and kill him, I'm on trial for murder....and that's even if the intruder was armed with a firearm and was firing first....

That being said, I'm fortunate enough to personally have the skills to neutralize an intruder without a firearm....I then just take his carcass and drop it off on the side of the road someplace....

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

He deserves what he’s got?

He lives in Cali
Yes he deserves what he’s getting living there
He can always move if he’d like to reenjoy his 2A right to keep and BEAR arms

Frankly I’m amazed he had a carry permit to begin with.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

He lives in Cali
Yes he deserves what he’s getting living there
He can always move if he’d like to reenjoy his 2A right to keep and BEAR arms

Frankly I’m amazed he had a carry permit to begin with.

You sound amazed. Ignorance must be bliss. CA is a shall issue state for CW permits. He’ll get it back. I’m guessing you would prefer open carry no matter what right?

 

[Gen3lover]

I live in CA and there are a lot of things we should be able to do but can’t ( like put on an aftermarket exhaust). And there are a lot of things we should be doing but don’t ( see how fast they cleaned up SF in advance of APEC?)
Our Governor Newsom is very progressive, the Democrats have ruled for 30 years so nothing’s going to change.
And he’ll likely be President one day.

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

You sound amazed. Ignorance must be bliss. CA is a shall issue state for CW permits. He’ll get it back. I’m guessing you would prefer open carry no matter what right?

While you’re busy reading people’s minds and other fantastical stuff can you pm me the powerball numbers?
‘Shall issue’ my assssss! Try to get a carry permit in LA. Let us know how that’s goes. Unless you’re a millionaire, connected or see as a vip you and me the average peon ain’t getting it.
What I would prefer is for them to stop being bobos with peoples rights and lives. I said nothing about open carry.
But to me you sound like one of the chicken littles who thinks the sky is gonna fall if open carry became popular? Strange how they didn’t happen in any one of the two dozen states where it is already legal and has been for a long time.
People want to open carry im fine with it. I prefer to be concealed and keep the element of surprise. And technically yes the 2A mentions nothing other than keep and bear. It IS the way it should be. Honest people open carrying are in the lowest percentage of criminals so what’s your point?

 

[jellyrug]

I can never figure why one needs a permit to carry concealed and nothing to open carry. Never made sense to me. I believe they are trying to change NC, so you can carry concealed without a permit.

That said, I cycle (bicycle) out in the boonies, anywhere from 25 miles up to a 100 miles frequently and a few times dogs almost took me out. So I did get a concealed carry permit and carry a little Beretta 32 ACP in the back pocket of my cycling Jersey.

I use to carry always when I lived in South Africa, really needed to and can tell a lot of stories about that. Where I live now, I really can’t see anyone ever needing a firearm for self defense. Pit Bulls chasing a cyclist out in the country excluded.

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

Well here in the "Great White North" we have no castle or stand your ground law here nor do we have any carry laws..

If a bad guy breaks in my front door and I hurt him, I can be held liable.....

If I was able to get to my gun safe, unlock it, get to my ammo safe, unlock that and then be able to fire upon the intruder and kill him, I'm on trial for murder....and that's even if the intruder was armed with a firearm and was firing first....

That being said, I'm fortunate enough to personally have the skills to neutralize an intruder without a firearm....I then just take his carcass and drop it off on the side of the road someplace....

In re: “If I was able to get to my gun safe, unlock it, get to my ammo safe, unlock that and then be able to fire upon the intruder and kill him, I'm on trial for murder....and that's even if the intruder was armed with a firearm and was firing first....”

That, I’m not buying. Can you provide even one instance where an armed home intruder got a better deal than the home owner?

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

While you’re busy reading people’s minds and other fantastical stuff can you pm me the powerball numbers?
‘Shall issue’ my assssss! Try to get a carry permit in LA. Let us know how that’s goes. Unless you’re a millionaire, connected or see as a vip you and me the average peon ain’t getting it.
What I would prefer is for them to stop being bobos with peoples rights and lives. I said nothing about open carry.
But to me you sound like one of the chicken littles who thinks the sky is gonna fall if open carry became popular? Strange how they didn’t happen in any one of the two dozen states where it is already legal and has been for a long time.
People want to open carry im fine with it. I prefer to be concealed and keep the element of surprise. And technically yes the 2A mentions nothing other than keep and bear. It IS the way it should be. Honest people open carrying are in the lowest percentage of criminals so what’s your point?

My point? About open carry? This isn’t Tombstone or Deadwood City in the 1800s. That’s my point. And even then, later on, open carry was finally prohibited. It’s called civilization. And this 2A business. You and others keep forgetting the militia part. It says nothing about an individual’s ‘right’ to walk around with a gun, concealed or other wise. CA (is) a shall issue state but the municipalities, cities and counties, have been given the authority to regulate the issuance of those applying for permits. Rural counties like mine, it’s quite easier I’m sure than Los Angeles or San Francisco but an applicant cannot be denied w/o good cause. We’re required to qualify at a range with the weapons we choose to carry. That’s a good idea. Some, think that’s absurd. You maybe?

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

My point? About open carry? This isn’t Tombstone or Deadwood City in the 1800s. That’s my point. And even then, later on, open carry was finally prohibited. It’s called civilization. And this 2A business. You and others keep forgetting the militia part. It says nothing about an individual’s ‘right’ to walk around with a gun, concealed or other wise. CA (is) a shall issue state but the municipalities, cities and counties, have been given the authority to regulate the issuance of those applying for permits. Rural counties like mine, it’s quite easier I’m sure than Los Angeles or San Francisco but an applicant cannot be denied w/o good cause. We’re required to qualify at a range with the weapons we choose to carry. That’s a good idea. Some, think that’s absurd. You maybe?

Do yourself and us a favor and research a bit who the founding fathers, you know the ones who wrote it considered were the militia. It was all able bodied males.
BUT that doesn’t matter as most scholars agree the 2A is two parts.
One, a well regulated militia is necessary
COMMA
Two, the right of the people to keep and bear shall not be infringed

The ‘people’ would be individuals. It quite simply says ‘to keep and bear’
That would mean own and carry. Thru time liberals have convinced people they should be able to regulate it in any way they wish. Kinda like how Cali keeps screwing with their own citizens rights. Can only own approved guns on the list, no mags over 10rnds, certain types of rifles banned, just passed addtl tax on guns and ammo on top of the already existing federal taxes.
NONE of that has ever or will ever lower crime.
What’s your hang up with open carry? You get nervous around honest folks with guns? Your mention of the old west demonstrates the prevailing misconception that open carry somehow leads to more crime. Or is it as I asked you just don’t feel comfy around people with guns? Can you cite any links or statistics showing crime went up when a state passed open carry? The people of Az and like twenty others would surely like to see it.
Now see this is when you respond with feelings instead of facts. YOU don’t like it. YOU don’t think it’s right. YOU don’t think people should be able to.
And thankfully this country isn’t run off feelings.

 

[dadofthree]

In the modern world today, looks like those who rob stores, attack civilian home owners, have intentions to murder innocent people, and commit crimes are favored. The attacker or criminal becomes the poor victim.

Perhaps we should just change our society to one where those who contribute with blood sweat and tears of hard work, give everything they have to those who don’t?

That is pretty much our open border policy today, don’t you think?

Crazy.

Armed homeowner who defended family in driveway shoot-out says he's been stripped of gun permit

California temporarily suspended the concealed carry license of Los Angeles homeowner Vince Ricci after he opened fire on two armed suspects who ambushed him at his front door.

www.foxnews.com

We’re kinda there

 

[jellyrug]

Well here in the "Great White North" we have no castle or stand your ground law here nor do we have any carry laws..

If a bad guy breaks in my front door and I hurt him, I can be held liable.....

If I was able to get to my gun safe, unlock it, get to my ammo safe, unlock that and then be able to fire upon the intruder and kill him, I'm on trial for murder....and that's even if the intruder was armed with a firearm and was firing first....

That being said, I'm fortunate enough to personally have the skills to neutralize an intruder without a firearm....I then just take his carcass and drop it off on the side of the road someplace....

If you look at murder rates per capita, the US has 6.8 per capita, lies 53rd on the world list.

Canada, 2.1 murders per 100,000 or per capita. Lies 119th on the world list.

My old country South Africa 41.9 per capita, lies 3rd on the world list. Guess you can see why I carried always when I lived there. It wasn’t that bad when I lived there though. During the apartheid years up to 1994, murder rates were about 90% less than they are today. I left in 1996.

So Bee, it looks like you should be just fine to keep your guns locked away, you don’t need them for self defense.

 

[Bumblebee]

If you look at murder rates per capita, the US has 6.8 per capita, lies 53rd on the world list.

Canada, 2.1 murders per 100,000 or per capita. Lies 119th on the world list.

My old country South Africa 41.9 per capita, lies 3rd on the world list. Guess you can see why I carried always when I lived there. It wasn’t that bad when I lived there though. During the apartheid years up to 1994, murder rates were about 90% less than they are today. I left in 1996.

So Bee, it looks like you should be just fine to keep your guns locked away, you don’t need them for self defense.

I've personally have never had any reason to have or need a firearm for protection in Canada...

I'm not the rule however and in the very rare occasion when someone here has had to use one in defense, they have been crucified...there is a bit of gun violence in our larger cities-mostly gang related though.

Even though there aren't many firearm related issues here, there have been many charges of assault filed by intruders who have been physically assaulted by home owners.

 

[Bumblebee]

In re: “If I was able to get to my gun safe, unlock it, get to my ammo safe, unlock that and then be able to fire upon the intruder and kill him, I'm on trial for murder....and that's even if the intruder was armed with a firearm and was firing first....”

That, I’m not buying. Can you provide even one instance where an armed home intruder got a better deal than the home owner?

Here's one....and I can dredge up many more if you are so inclined....

As someone who lives here, I am at a better position to defend this.

Self-defence in Canada: When lethal force could be legal — and when it isn’t | Globalnews.ca

A recent Milton home invasion -- and subsequent death -- have prompted questions about what force Canadians can legally use when someone invades their home.

globalnews.ca