XTRE....Good or Bad ?

Blanca BusaLess

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This may be old for some but I still have questions.
Why is it some swear by them and others say stay away ?
Please provide detailed descriptive info backing up your opinions here.
If you say no...how, why and what...exactly ?
If you say yes...how, why and what..exactly ?
???
Advantages are ?
Disadvantages are ?
 
You'll hear different opinions based on what someone felt there bike felt like at low RPMs in town, etc. From everything I've read here, regardless of the question is that the sole purpose of the T R E is to eliminate the restriction on top end speed. On the Gen II's maybe Gen I's I think you'll se a lot of guys flashing there ECU's to accomplish this.
 
they are neither good or bad, they are just a thing. As stated by DO3, the biggest help they provide is eliminating the the speed restriction, which doesnt matter anyway unless you have some engine and/or sprocket mods cause your bike wont get there anyway. Also as stated, most are getting their ECU's flashed to disable the speed limiter, which is better and cheaper. Just get yourself a good tune to acheive max hp and tq and to heck with the TRE!
 
If you do the search you will find 318 threads with tre in the title.

What he said. Lots of debate on these. The real answer is the room is split 50/50. What the owners tell me after they install it and call me back is it really smooths out the power delivery off the line. Quite a few of them just love 'em. Their words, not mine.

On the real world side, they are really steady sellers, we ship them all over. :thumbsup: Need one, got 'em in stock. :laugh:

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What he said. Lots of debate on these. The real answer is the room is split 50/50. What the owners tell me after they install it and call me back is it really smooths out the power delivery off the line. Quite a few of them just love 'em. Their words, not mine.

On the real world side, they are really steady sellers, we ship them all over. :thumbsup: Need one, got 'em in stock. :laugh:

:easy: Buy Now: HealTech X-TRE Powerbox | PashnitMoto.com

:whistle: :laugh:
 
If you are only going after having the speed restrictor removed I make this Cycle

or if you want full control of ecu for fueling, ignition, rev limiter type, actual limit change, quick or air shifter kill using ecu, etc etc I also make this ECU Flashing
 
I have XTRE on it. Unfortunately it was installed at same time as pwr cmndr so I can't give an opinion on it separately. The xtre is also supposed to eliminate timing retard in lower gears hence creating more pwr down low. I have to say I don't know if it is just the XTRE or all combined along with the dyno tune but the bike revs now like a 600, quick 'flick' flick' . Off the line it feels stronger from get go. As far as top speed eliminator goes......who cares at this point ? Not why I did it. I did it because shop recommended it and they have a rep second to none around here so I had them put it in. I am just curious because some think without XTRE and oem filter back in I would pick up a few. Again not that it matters but I would like to have all HP available.

AS MENTIONED IN MY SIG AND BEFORE I ALREADY HAVE PWR CMNDR V INSTALLED AND THE BIKE HAS BEEN DYNO TUNED TO 188HP .

Smithabusa why is it all these things only carry one map ?
Should the bike not have a map for each individual gear ?
Is that not possible ?
 
all what things carry one map? Sorry not following you? The ecu has seperate maps for each gear for both timing and fueling. a power commander just alters what the ecu is already doing based on tps and rpm. Putting a TRE on your bike forces it into 5th gear all the time, so you are now running 5th gear mapping at all times except neutral. Thats why I dont like TRE's.
 
all what things carry one map? Sorry not following you? The ecu has seperate maps for each gear for both timing and fueling. a power commander just alters what the ecu is already doing based on tps and rpm. Putting a TRE on your bike forces it into 5th gear all the time, so you are now running 5th gear mapping at all times except neutral. Thats why I dont like TRE's.

Indeed!!:beerchug:
 
What effect to things as I have them now would it make if I simply removed the XTRE ?
Will it change the whole tune/map to my bike if I do ?
If the bike has been dyno tuned with a map for pwr cmndr along with the XTRE can I simply remove the XTRE alone to see if it changes things for the better or worse ?

Sorry but I grew up with Kawis and shims and backyard , street you lived on tuning so this whole durn electrogizmo thing has me feeling like I am learning all over again.:banghead:
 
I had my bike on the dyno and ran it with a Ivans TRE and without just to see what it did. I did see a slight improvement in the power earlier but nothing on the top end. I did feel a little better throttle response while riding on the street. I do not have any sort of TRE on my bike now because I agree that the bike should use the different maps in the ECU. I do have friends who use the XTRE with no problems... hope this helps.
 
Like the busa doesn't have enough power in lower gears without a TRE? And really, how often would one need to go over 186; assuming your bike had the power to do it anyway?
 
Like the busa doesn't have enough power in lower gears without a TRE? And really, how often would one need to go over 186; assuming your bike had the power to do it anyway?

It's govenered at 186 on the speedo...puts you around 175 actual speed. Even stock should reach that...but there is no need to go that fast. :whistle:
 
So when you put a pwr cmndr on the bike then tune it are you tuning just a single map for the bike or does the pwr cmndr carry multiple maps for the bike like the oem ecu ? Then with TRE/XTRE it takes it to only one map ? ???

Um soooo Confuzed !???
 
Oh gee, a tre thread... :laugh:

I'm going to run the 'book savvy' post on my end. If you look in the FSM (factory service manual) you will notice that the ohm resistances move lower as you gain speed in the higher gears. With that said, there is this fuel trim that bumps up the HP to pull that bike up to 186.

Notice how the lower in resistance you shift, the fuel trim richens up. Meaning, the lower the resistance, the more fuel. One reason you lose a little fuel mileage being the tre locks in the lowest resistance. This is one reason the bike shows you it defaulted to a, "fail-safe" mode where it is safe to ride.

Now if you think about this, would you design a fuel trim to run in 5th gear or run the higher fuel trim in 6th gear? Say we are out on the bike, and the GPS all of a sudden happens to fall within 3 basic variables. Say one would be we are going so fast, the connectors vibrate loose, they did not snap together after the last engine pull, for one example. Say the bike is blowing over the wires and maybe the whipping of the connector has some GPS wire fall out, being we pulled on the harness and not the connector on the unsnapping when we needed to pull the engine for service. Or say, we reinstall the engine and did not see we pinched one of the GPS wires to the frame and this sort of shorted to ground but did not blow a fuse but set the shift display reading that locked-6 in the dash pod.

Again, if say we were FI designers and we did not know when that GPS would fail, wouldn't you feel 'safe' if you were running at 186, the GPS failed and you had the fuel trim at the max 'safe' ohm resistance on the 'fail'?

"Fail-safe" (is the term used as to what the FSM says will happen) is to say, we might be in the 6th default and not the 5th gear resistance? Being, all book savvy, you reading the code page explains this but not specifically. This is where the 'savvy' explanation takes place, you figuring out the lowest resistance an all dat data you have to be pelted with.

Now, we have these ground wires all running to their own ground posts. Say, the grounds to the GPS, air intake door gate, spark sticks, TPS, and a few other related, "186 limiters" that keep you under that mph all join in at that (one of many), "ground junction box."

With the GPS wires (3), we have one wire running to the dash to show you what gear you are in. The other wire is a ground wire to that junction box. The last wire runs to the ECU.

If we remove or short one wire (see above explanation of 3 wire variables) to the ECU, we caused the bike to default to a code. And when you install a tre, you cause/effect the air cleaner door gate to open faster. Say you install another tre to another wire and this moves the ignition faster, but retains the same full advance degrees; just electrically moves the ignition from a slow linear analog action to an on/off faster signal; like flipping a light switch.

So say we are back speeding all in the analog at 186 and the GPS gives up. What the bike does is sets the fattest limp or protects the bike from falling to a leaner trim (5th gear say), locks in 6th resistance, moves the air door open so the bike can breath in proportion to the extra fuel. Notice how in the linear, the air door opens slower but is fully open once you reach a certain rpm.

Then there is this internal [ECU in control of the] disconnects, which are locked down in the analog, where the open (on/off) scenario happens to the GPS no longer in line. The TPS, and crank sensor continue to work no matter that limp to stay under 186. Meaning, you do not need the GPS. The bike is now, 'unrestricted' to move in a higher rpm range where the analog had it at bay to a certain rpm 'limit.'

This ends the technical part of the savvy part of the, :rulez: <<< :bowdown:
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Performance wise, here is where the 50/50 opinion occurs. Since we are now locked into a richer setting, the faster move of the ignition and air gate opening, we feel this extra kick in performance.

Say you add a PC (only) and you feel this "smoother' running bike, being the added fuel in the lower gears. Back to the tre; you have this faster moving ignition that feels, 'throttle twitchy' that some riders like, and others 'in fear of,' with the added performance down low.

So, the opinions vary, being some can handle the on/off throttle twitch, others prefer the stock (slower) linear effect instead. The factory is designing-in a performance restrictor, so the bike is more, 'rider friendly' for the average rider on a powerful bike. Kind of neat that they can incorporate all those sensors to slow the bike's torque and power. :thumbsup:

I don't know how much you are going to grasp me writing this post, but basically, if Smith can prove the bike is in 5th gear or say the bike locks in 6th [like the FSM say] and both maps look the same, it seems strange to me how the book can state the bike is locked in 6th map, and that resistance factor of your generic way fuel runs rich with each resistance being lower than in 5th. How dangerous is running in a leaner 5th map than in the generic designed (lowest resistance) 6th gear value and be safe to run past 186?........ I'm just asking.
 
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