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[mountainmotor]

I don't think the 1000RR is that slow of a bike . They are pipe dependent though and some , well most pipes just don't work well on them . Kinda neat that Arrow makes two pipes , one for stock and one for highly modded CBR1000's .

Going off memory a stock 1000RR with a Moriwaki undertail " not the MotoGp type " made like 163 to the rear and lost 12 lbs . Might have had race gas though , I forget . Still if so , would not have been down much with optimised 93 mapping .

Depends on where the info comes from though. At a ZX-9R forum some kids actually think they stand a chance against a Busa .


Kinda comical

 

[Got-Busa?]

I hate to busts you all's bubble.  But the ZX10 is a faster bike then the Hayabusa off the showroom floor.  So is the new Suk 1000.  Just do the math.  Compareable horsepower and almost 80 to 90lbs less weight.

If you went around a ZX10 or 2005 Suk 1000 the guy was not in it and was afraid to tell you.  Oh yea, I own a 2004 Hayabusa.  I just sharing the facts with you.

Zeke

Zeke,

What kind of a race are you talking about? If you are talking about a drag race, you are way off.

From a stop the Busa has the advantage. The only time the liter bikes are close is from a role when the gear ratio/power to weight gives it the edge.

Even then, the bikes are side by side (depending on rider whos ahead) and by 160mph the Busa starts to pull and continues to leave all liter bikes AND the ZX-12R behind!

If you speak of the twisites, of course it's apples to oranges.

 

[TwistedOne]

My 10 has a 16t front sprocket, a PC3USB with a custom map, BMC air filter, lowered and a one off HMF SLIP on...The bike went 9:47@146mph with my friend on it.. He weighs 185lbs...

He has more riding skills than me that is why i had him ride it...

 

[mountainmotor]

I beleive the average knowledge of motorcycle people thats not into the motor building / design aspect of it does not realise how tame the Hayabusa is tuned from the factory .

With cam lobe parameters and intake and exhaust phasing set with midrange in mind, yet a cylinder head and exhaust system designed well enough to allow these bikes to pull well up top but using moderate compression that allows use of 87 octane .The ZX-12R has more cam in them than Stage 1 Yoshimura's comparativley speaking , more compression but look what happens in the real world .

Everyone guns for beating a Busa . Say's alot if you ask me .

I think Suzuki might have done better by building the Busa with a nice 4-2-1 titanium exhaust just ready for a slip-on , set the compression at 11.5-1 and the equivalent of the Yosh stage 1's or a little hotter cams but still using a nice long life base circle for reliabilty w/o the need for heavy springs but would the world have been ready for it ?

Thats why I always thought Suzuki should build a true Limited Edition . One with a reworked motor ....and Brembo's

 If they are king now , just think about the lore one of the above would bring about !

A stock Busa or one with a pipe and fuel map lays the power down right . While other bikes have the wheel in the air short shifting the Busa is moving from 1st through 6th with that ever so sweet second power hit once you shift into 5th and the timing is pulled .

These bikes have become legendary and from mild to wild they are as good as it gets for what they were designed for . Just try a longer two-up trip on a liter bike or 12R .

IMO of course but those that don't agree probably don't own a Busa , never rode a Busa and probably don't belong here for the most part

 

[TwistedOne]

Well I am a 10r owner until saturday and then I will have a 04 LE Busa that has a yosh full race system with the triangle canister, +8" swing arm and a 250 tire on it.. Plans are for a ghetto stage 1 turbo kit in the near future...

I can honestly say this.. I would not want to ride my bike "ZX10R" to Panama City Beach Fl and that is just 180miles from here alone much less with 2 people... Here is a pic of the Busa with a custom paint job..Black with gold pearl inside of it. Was originaly red...



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[him]

I hate to busts you all's bubble.  But the ZX10 is a faster bike then the Hayabusa off the showroom floor.  So is the new Suk 1000.  Just do the math.  Compareable horsepower and almost 80 to 90lbs less weight.

Ahh my friend but where is that compareable horsepower made?

11k 12k. Your already a thousand rpms behind the power curve. What most people dont realize and what i didnt realize until i got heaving into cars is your accelration is based on your TORQUE. Busa make crazy torque from 3k to 10k where it starts to drop off. Your liter bike make crazy torque from....hell i dont know lets give them 8-9k again behind the power curve. So the busa makes big power earliy while the liter bike makes it late which is why they will be playing catch up the rest of a race. So dont give me the comparable hp crud.

 

[FAKK2]

Good Point!!!

 

[TwistedOne]

I hate to busts you all's bubble.  But the ZX10 is a faster bike then the Hayabusa off the showroom floor.  So is the new Suk 1000.  Just do the math.  Compareable horsepower and almost 80 to 90lbs less weight.

Ahh my friend but where is that compareable horsepower made?

11k 12k.  Your already a thousand rpms behind the power curve.  What most people dont realize and what i didnt realize until i got heaving into cars is your accelration is based on your TORQUE.  Busa make crazy torque from 3k to 10k where it starts to drop off.  Your liter bike make crazy torque from....hell i dont know lets give them 8-9k again behind the power curve.  So the busa makes big power earliy while the liter bike makes it late which is why they will be playing catch up the rest of a race.  So dont give me the comparable hp crud.

I hate to say that you forgot one major part here and it is physics.. The busa may have 10 more foot pounds of tq but the weight of the bike is absorbing it up... Also the light weight of the liter bikes help them to get to those higher rpms a little faster...

Look at any of the test the magaznes have done and you will see that the liter bikes are quicker in the 1/4 mile and have the same if not more top end.....

 

[2005BigBoy]

Raced a 10r a while ago my busa was stock, his 10r had pipe & power commander. We hit at 100 mph on the highway, I slowly walked away from him up to 170, by then I was about 5 bikes ahead. Just my experience.

 

[him]

I hate to busts you all's bubble.  But the ZX10 is a faster bike then the Hayabusa off the showroom floor.  So is the new Suk 1000.  Just do the math.  Compareable horsepower and almost 80 to 90lbs less weight.

Ahh my friend but where is that compareable horsepower made?

11k 12k.  Your already a thousand rpms behind the power curve.  What most people dont realize and what i didnt realize until i got heaving into cars is your accelration is based on your TORQUE.  Busa make crazy torque from 3k to 10k where it starts to drop off.  Your liter bike make crazy torque from....hell i dont know lets give them 8-9k again behind the power curve.  So the busa makes big power earliy while the liter bike makes it late which is why they will be playing catch up the rest of a race.  So dont give me the comparable hp crud.

I hate to say that you forgot one major part here and it is physics.. The busa may have 10 more foot pounds of tq but the weight of the bike is absorbing it up... Also the light weight of the liter bikes help them to get to those higher rpms a little faster...

Look at any of the test the magaznes have done and you will see that the liter bikes are quicker in the 1/4 mile and have the same if not more top end.....

10 more lbs! are you kiding try 20-30 lbs more torque. Not to mention the shape of the busa helps on the accells. Sits lower to and its longer too. Test magazines are running corrected times. When the busa was run it ran a 9.8 uncorrected un fugged with when the 10R,5k ran they ran a 10.07 and 10.04 uncorrected and 9.78 corrected. wonder what the busa would run corrected? You seem to not understand this torque thing. Torque gets you moving it gets you down the track are you aware that at 5k rpms the busa is making 75lbs or Torque! (you know the stuff that gets you moving) while the zx 10s torque peaks at 72 at 10k and the gsxr peaks at 78 at 11...so what do these make at say 5k rpms

zx10 54
gsxr 55
busa 75!

So what does this tell us class

Once we get to 5k the busa is making 20 lbs more torque than both liter bikes(spread gets bigger as rpms rise) now which is gonna move faster a bike making 54, 55, or 75lbs of torque. keep in mind these things are rollin now. So even if you did get the jump this is where you will start being reeled in. But hey the liters are still pretty fast bikes.

 

[Ludicrous Speed]

Him does have a good point, all a lot of people look at are the peak HP/TQ readings.

It is the power under the curve that accelerates the bike, you are only at those peaks for a few moments each gear.......

 

[zeke]

I beleive the average knowledge of motorcycle people thats not into the motor building / design aspect of it does not realise how tame the Hayabusa is tuned from the factory .

With cam lobe parameters and intake and exhaust phasing set with midrange in mind, yet a cylinder head and exhaust system designed well enough to allow these bikes to pull well up top but using moderate compression that allows use of 87 octane .The ZX-12R has more cam in them than Stage 1 Yoshimura's comparativley speaking , more compression but look what happens in the real world .

Everyone guns for beating a Busa . Say's alot if you ask me .

I think Suzuki might have done better by building the Busa with a nice 4-2-1 titanium exhaust just ready for a slip-on , set the compression at 11.5-1 and the equivalent of the Yosh stage 1's or a little hotter cams but still using a nice long life base circle for reliabilty w/o the need for heavy springs but would the world have been ready for it ?

Thats why I always thought Suzuki should build a true Limited Edition . One with a reworked motor ....and Brembo's

 If they are king now , just think about the lore one of the above would bring about !

A stock Busa or one with a pipe and fuel map lays the power down right . While other bikes have the wheel in the air short shifting the Busa is moving from 1st through 6th with that ever so sweet second power hit once you shift into 5th and the timing is pulled .

These bikes have become legendary and from mild to wild they are as good as it gets for what they were designed for . Just try a longer two-up trip on a liter bike or 12R .

IMO of course but those that don't agree probably don't own a Busa , never rode a Busa and probably don't belong here for the most part

Well, HIM and Mountainmotor just for your info I own a Busa, ZX12R and have owned a ZX10R which I recently sold.

In my post there was no degrading of the Hayabusa.  However lets face it, it's long in the tooth.  Also, the fact is the ZX10R and the 2005 Zuk 1000 currently are the two fasted production sportbikes.

The length, torque is what makes the Busa a good open class sportbike.  But most of the info you shared is nothing more than good baseline data.  And you continue to over look the simple line, which is weight and horsepower.  We're talking close to 80 to 90lbs wet difference.  The reality is currently the kaw and suzuki liter bikes are faster off the showroon floor.

Also, please don't tell me about riding with a friend of a friend that owns a ZX10R or riding down a highway and happen to run up on a ZX10R and blowing them away.  Just because I own a Hayabusa does not mean that I chose to disreguard other bikes or manufactures and/or people that chose to own them.  I am bigger then that.

If you think your stock Hayabusa is all that, then go to your local bike night event or drag strip and challenge a ZX10R or a 2005 Suzuki 1000 with a rider of equal skills.  If you want to save some money call and check with a friend or family member that truely follows drag racing and get your answer.
Matter of fact, some dealerships may have a salesman that's really into drag racing.  Check with him.

Just two weeks ago the new Suzuki 1000's were going 9.30's to 9. teens in the SS class at prostar.  This was with stock motor and at least 3 inched off the ground.  There isn't a stock Hayabusa to date to go 9.20's or 9.teens in the SS class.

I am speaking facts not theories.

Zeke


p.s. Please let us know what you find out.



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[him]

gee i dont think teh bikes in teh ss class or stock anymore huh. 9.2....no gearing piping powercommander or anything huh....find that hard to belive. As for an equal rider on a liter bike will get his rump handed to him as im not that good on the bike i have now. I didnt overlook hp youre over looking where it is made. if we make the same hp but you make it 3k later than me im gonna have an edge. From what ive read....when the mags run the stock bikes the times they run arent faster than the busa unless they do the correction shid. Off the show room floor just taking the bike strait to the track no straps no gears no bs i dont think the litres are faster but they are still quick bikes

 

[frisbee]

Larry Laye rode the busa and the ZX12 last year for a magazine last year (wish I could remember the issue). Stock The busa did 9.1 the ZX did 9.2 . This is same track same day , same rider , multable passes. Then they took and added exhaust a power commander and extended the rear 4" on the busa and a GSX 1000 ( because some one said that the 1000 would win i.e. HP, wieght ect.... ) The busa did 8.9 and the 1000 did 9.1 . Now all the bikes out there are so fast that anyone can win a race . But I haven't been beat (yet)!

 

[zeke]

Larry Laye rode the busa and the ZX12 last year for a magazine last year (wish I could remember  the issue). Stock The busa did 9.1 the ZX did 9.2 . This is same track same day , same rider , multable passes. Then they took and added exhaust a power commander and extended the rear 4" on the busa and a GSX 1000 ( because some one said that the 1000 would win i.e. HP, wieght ect.... ) The busa did 8.9 and the 1000 did 9.1 . Now all the bikes out there are so fast that anyone can win a race . But I haven't been beat (yet)!

Please find that Magazine.  And let us know which one and issue.  The only National Mag test I know about is the one with Keith Dennis (Shine) when they compared new 2003 ZX12 and Hayabusa.  One tooth off the front, lowered, changed the rear tires, stock exhaust.  Shine is highly respected as one of the best drag racers, grudge racers around.  The best he could do was a 9.39 on the Busa which is the kind of bike he races during racing season and a 9.41 on the ZX12 a bike he normally does not ride.

Yes, If theses bikes were extended they both would go faster.

HIM, when I said stock, that does mean you can have power cammander, aftermarket exhaust,re-gearing, stock length, no extended swingarm, no engine mods.  The 2005 rules also state that they can lower the bikes in the SS Class No Lower than 3 inches off the ground.

At 9.30's to 9 teens if the ZX10 and 2005 Zuk 1000 were further lowered and extended they would both go into the high 8's.

Check out dragbike.com and find results for SS1000 class for Prostar and MIRock series.  Oh Yea, Lee Shirks just went 8.24 and 8.27 on his built 1000 yesterday in Maryland.

Here's the fair balance statement.  The Hayabusa (argueably) is the best bike to build a monster drag bike due to its aftermarket support of high performance parts.  It revitalized drag racing and helped the upward trend in sportbike interest, big time.  It is also the best and easiest bike to customize with chrome and fancy paint jobs.

But, If you think 6 year old technology still rules today.  You are wrong.  That is why they are coming out with the new Hayabusa in 2006, a new ZX12R in 2006, and Honda is coming out with a new Black Bird in 2006.

Zeke



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[him]

HIM, when I said stock, that does mean you can have power cammander, aftermarket exhaust,re-gearing,

Damn i didnt know the new bikes came off the floor with PC pipes and re-gearing. Hmm doesnt sound like off teh show room floor anymore does it?

the magazine hes talking about is super street bike summer 2004 issue...its with teh 04 gsxr and the guy racing is name larry laye.

bikes had about 7 grand of mods gixxer weighed in at 100lbs lighter

busa ran 8.953 at 151.77
gixxer ran 9.146 at 149.680

Quote taken from teh mag

Peak power occurs at just one place in the rev band- but whats important is the total power delivered during the run. Here the busa romps with enough extra MID RANGE GRUNT TO OVER COME ITS 100 lb weight handi cap.

Sounds like what i was saying earlier. But i would love to have some newer technology casue the busa's not stomping azz like it did when it first came out. i probably wont get one cause i wont be able to afford it next year.

 

[zeke]

HIM, based on your avatar I thought you were a very knowlegeable guy on drag racing. I appoligize. In the majority of the drag racing world adding a power commander or changing exhaust, gearing a bike is still considered stock.

Example- Adding any one of the above mods does not void your factory warranty.

I also stand by my original statement. Off the showroom floor 2005 Suzuki 1000 and ZX10R are faster than the Hayabusa.

<span style='font-size:15pt;line-height:100%'>The Magazine article is irrelevant</span>. Why, In every post I made I said 2005 Suzuki 1000, not the 2004 model. There's no comparison between the two. However you just help make my point. $7,000 of mods to the Hayabusa and it went 8.90's, only 2 to 3 tenth of a second faster than the SS1000 class bikes with no engine mods.

If what I am told by two different dealerships is true. The 2006 Hayabusa will also have that new technology.

Zeke

 

[him]

HIM, based on your avatar I thought you were a very knowlegeable guy on drag racing.  I appoligize.  

im no pro acutually just started racing, but that by no means makes me a dumbazz, hell when you started you just automaticlly knew everything about racing huh? Stock means different things to a lot of people. To me stock is off the floor how it comes when you buy it from the dealership. In this fashion i still say the busa is faster then the 1k.im new to the drag world and dont know what the rules are to the ss class. Most all i know about drag racing i've learned here and sh.org. I still stand by my statement though

 

[pure_ego]

my buddies girlfriends cousin has a kick ass sv650,.. all stock.. runnin low 8's. Could whup any of you guys, and your magazine riders..


so whats your fastest time at the strip?? haha

me.. 10.4 @ 136.. stock height/tires/gears micron pipe.. no PC...

i get whupped by everybody

 

[Lucky34]

SV running 8's?