Akra or brock street smart ?

from the akro website.....answer to the FAQ of...."Which system is best for my sportbike?"...akro answers...

"The choice depends on many factors, such as the model, the intended use (street, track etc.), <span style='color:red'>your riding style, desired noise level, price</span> etc. At Akrapovic we produce six lines of exhaust systems which differ in their physical properties, performance characteristics and purpose: Bolt-on, Slip-on, Sport Production, Racing, Evolution, and Street Legal. There are a lot of possibilities, but the final choice has to be made by the rider. For a more thorough description of the lines, click on the links under Product Lines."

L8R, Bill.
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I got my Evo with cf can from indysuperbikes for $1245 and got em to throw in shipping as well. The race is $870 from them.
 
AKRAPOVIC EVOLUTION SYSTEMS
<span style='color:red'>Akrapovic Evolution systems are identical to the Akrapovic Racing Full Systems, but are manufactured using titanium head pipes, rather than stainless steel.</span>  This typically results an an estimated 8 pound weight reduction.  Sound and horsepower is similar to the Racing Systems.  Designed on the track, for the track, the Evolution System is the exact same exhaust you will find on World Superbikes in the winner’s circle. [/b]

found here...just click...scroll...read and learn...

http://www.exoticsportbike.com/akrapovic.htm
Hey Bill a bit drawn out in your post eh? My original intent and reason to post was to claim that I had an issue with my EVO and it was handled well. Not really sure what your's was. Just roll it back a few steps.

Now Im not sure what hokey site you got your quote from but the EVO and Race are NOT exactly the same pipe. Not even by the furthest stretch of the imagination. Unless you are talking about the "Akrapovic" logo they are different. The fact that you would even compare the two presents a little buyers' remourse. A little, "damn I shoulda held out for the nice one".

I have looked at both pipes closely and they are different. End of story. Now here is Akrapovic's site. Ya the official one. You look, read, and learn.

Official Akrapovic site.


I was unaware of the BDE being SS/TI. Now I wouldn't ever consider one. I just compared the best Akra pipe and the best Hindle for the Busa. No biggie.

Funny how defensive you get sometimes. I found your tone slighty disrespectful. Now don't worry daddy will let this one slide. I like you and your posts. They are informative and well written. Just learn to relax a bit. I was completly neutral and just sharing my knowledge and expriences.
not at all....no "buyers remorse" here...had my choice of either...and would choose the same if I had to do it again tomorrow...

reason why: full systems are tuned to boost hp in certain rev ranges...what I call "Heavy Breathers" (such as the EVO, HMF Big Bird and TiForce Sumo) are purpose designed to make the most hp up towards the top end...hp is the result of a mathmatical equation based on "Torque"...full exhaust systems simply take that same given torque value and move it elsewheres in the rev ranges...and the heavy breathers usually do it by stealing a bit of low-end grunt/torque and transfering/translating it into top-end HP...extreme systems can actually render a stocker to feeling a tad fluffy down low....but the trade off is well worth it to those who spend 99% of their efforts at WOT....but as a casual streetrider/roadracer?...I don't want all my power relocated up top........and I dang sure don't wanna "Feel The Hit" of a heavy breather as it comes online while I'm trying to be as smooth as possible carrying speed through a hard leaning curve...but I do want plenty of smooth mid-range torque when I'm punching out of those corner exits...therefore?...I personally feel that a mild...and not wild...full system sorta suits me and my riding preferences best...and either or any is heads and tails above the stock steel.

My most profuse apologies for my ignorance and...

L8R, Bill.
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Very well put. Like I said you can write a damn good post. I am very happy with the way my EVO performs all around the rev band.

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I noticed Jinkster recv'd the AKRA full exh, is it better than Brocks?
Which one fits better ?

Mark
Hmmmmm...is your question answered?
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Good, empassioned debate gents. I like both systems. I've done insane amounts of exhaust research and hand-built and dyno'd many car and bike headers (I've since retired--I'd rather ride than work).
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For what its worth, I've searched and searched for the "reputed" low-RPM torque loss with BDE and have never been able to prove its existence from dyno torque charts, roll-on's, nor seat-of-the-pants. When properly mapped, if it's there, it must be at VERY low RPM and VERY small. Brock says "no torque loss" and after dealing with him closely for almost two years, I found him to be a man of high integrity and technical competence. It is no small achievement to design a system that retains low-RPM power while adding peak power. That being said, theory indicates that there could be a low-RPM torque loss that accompanies major mid-to-high RPM gains. Such apparent inconsistencies between real world results and the arkane, black art of exhaust physics are common.

About 10 years ago, I managed to acquire the engineering formula for exhaust header design that a major U.S. auto corporation used for their engine development (don't ask) and happily set about the task of using the equations for my own exhaust designs. It was so full of convoluted variables that I could more easily have calculated the trajectory of a missle intercepting another missle in flight but, at least, I gained a strong sense of the theoretical considerations which are challenging to grasp in their entirety.

Regardless of exhaust preference, the weight loss with either system is excellent--weight is the enemy! I've never actually used an Ak exhaust but I have polished several and I found the build quality and fabrication to be consistently outstanding. I even inserted a small, articulating mirror (similar to a dental mirror) into an Ak exhaust tube and looked at the *inside* weld quality. The welds looked great--no goobers nor over-penetration that cause flow turbulence. As an ex-pro welder, I was genuinely impressed. I did the same with a popular "Yos_" brand tube and nearly puked at the mess. That kind of manufacturing variance can make measurable differences in power output and Ak's got their fabrication RIGHT. At the high-end of Busa exhaust products, you actually get what you pay for. Upon close inspection, I have seen occasional cosmetic flaws with BDE but never any structural flaws. Metal craftsmen tend to look more closely at build quality than the average rider-buyer and both BDE and Ak are well executed and proven in their respective genres--drag racing and road racing. Back to theory, the BDE should have an edge in peak power and the Ak should have an edge at mid-range power (note the "should have").
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I don't see how you could go wrong with either one and, as you know, the mapping is as important as the hardware. My BDE'd Busa has been very well mapped and exhibits no throttle response anomalies at any load/RPM and THAT makes me very happy when I twist the throttle in any riding conditions.
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Excuse my $.03 passionate rant. I just can't help myself. Happy trails...  
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Hey Grabntwist...........you been tearing up the twisties?? No damn chicken strips on that tire!!!!

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Man Jinxy you just spent a whole bunch a money on just another loud pipe. You coulda went to midas and got that POS. Shoulda got the BDE.
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How much time do you spend at WOT when riding the dragon?
 
better put...has anybody ever wondered why ya just don't see all that many "Hindles" on....."other sportbikes"?

anybody ever wondered why the BDE/Hindle is so popular and prevelent on..."Just Busa's"?

hmmmm....thought provoking.....isn't it?
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I got my Evo with cf can from indysuperbikes for $1245 and got em to throw in shipping as well. The race is $870 from them.
Good prices .

Among the other obvious differences in the two the race header *tapers * from 38 mm up to 42 mm whereas the Evolution tapers from 40mm to 44mm .

Most drag racers would not choose that Evolution pipe but I'd think it would run with the Big Bird and Sumo to 215 hp or so .

Kinda makes me wonder what the most power ever made with the Akro Race was . Probably pretty big I'd think .

Tsukigi plain , not Spec II 38 -42.7
Tsukigi GSXR1000 2003 model 35-42.7
Tsukigi ZX-10R 38-42.7
those are step headers .


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taper , not stepped down
 
I'll post it here as well

ABSOLUTE NO BRAINER

AKRO .... NUFF said .... easily best quality pipe period

makes as much hp as anyone

NO BRAINER!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
made 217 hp from akr. race
Good power there . Just pump or race gas .... no exotic fuel ?


Since were talking exhaust , I was kinda surprised when I found out that the Micron for the Busa has no step , no taper and no Serpent design . Did see where an engine make 12 more hp over stock with a Micron on it .

Back to the Akro . Before they had the Evolution , they further tuned the pipe buy using a conical muffler core . Entrance was like 10mm or so larger than exit .

Do they still do that with the Race exhaust ? Same for the Evolution ?



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