ghettocowboy
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All religion is evil....
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Burn a Quaran...behead a non-believer...sounds reasonable...
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I think my first post made it pretty clear where I stand on the issue... As far as where my imam stands and where the rest of the Muslims stand, take a look at the website he runs: Islamic Society of Central Florida - ISCF New Home in case you miss it: http://www.iscf.org/document.doc?id=43
So much for double standards huh? Now, if its that important for you to hear every single Muslim out there denounce this, or other religious leaders around the world denouncing this, then I really can't help you with that.. I don't keep tabs on what goes on out there or who says what or what gets aired on tv or doesn't.. If you feel enough isn't being done, maybe you can go on tv and express how you feel. Whatever you decide to do, good luck.
Checked out your link. I'm glad to see it. Wonder why it doesn't make the press, as it and other denounciations would do a lot to cool tensions. As I've said before, you personally seem like a pretty nice guy. I wish there were more like you publicliy representing your religion.
I checked the site too! Very good stuff. I agree it would be awesome to see more of this view making local and national news. It would certainly help diffuse the misinformation given. Oh, maybe that's why we don't see it.
As previously stated, there are good folks in every group, as well as whack jobs!!
Peace!
lil charlie
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I tried to stay out of this tread as long as I could, I’m not religious at all. I have very simple beliefs. Be good, treat people as if they were your grandmother and everything will be fine. That said this Pastor in FL has pushed my battens to far, to the point where I’m about to get on a plane and kick id F’ing A$$. People are free (in this great country) to do as they please. He was within his rights to burn it and Im within my rights to pound him for it. I could care less about the Quran, or what his actions stood for; to each there own. I think he is a putz but whatever. My problem is personal. The death toll is now 10. This is because 3 dumb ass insurgents attacked Camp Phoenix in Afghanistan in protest. For those of you who don’t know Camp Phoenix is mainly used for US forces to train the Afghan police and government so they can take over. IT IS ALSO WHERE MY FATHER IS LOCATED. He is over there risking his life, doing his part to make the world a safer place. And this piece of crap Pastor (sorry if that statement offends anyone, I don’t think all Pastors are a piece of crap, just this guy) is burning Qurans just to stir the pot. Again, I didn’t care until it affected me personally. I’m soo pissed off right now that I want to go to Flordia and kick this guys a$$. My father is safe, alone with everyone else at Camp Phoenix…..well all but the 3 tards that attacked it that is.
OK , I'll try and keep it short and simple.. # 1 if You are a Christian and believe the bible ,then a few things are taking place and will take place.. 1 world global Government ( UN) #2 Cashless society ( You cant buy or sell without the mark of the beast ) #3 Forced worship ( all that will not worship the beast shall be killed , Revelation) #4 So whats the mean for christians ? where will you stand? whats you future plans ? As for me I keep to myself , Do whats right, Keep straight with God. My lifes priorities Are Bibles beans & Bullets ( prepare for the worst hope for the best ).. When it does get bad - Lock and load , pass the bullets and praise the Lord..
aLLsTaR617
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All this religion **** is BS. Any and every religion in some way has piss people off. I'm not a religious person in anyway, but I do believe in karma treat others as u want to be treated. With that said, u can't be mad at a whole race because of a couple douche bags. All the wars in america was fought by immigrants, who have there own beliefs, and what they fought for was freedom, until this very day.
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Lets just make sure that we all agree on one thing...
Religious people have never done well in the world, my goal is to not be religious but spiritual. According to the bible Jesus spoke against the Scribes and Pharasis. I simply want to be obedient to what the bible tells us we should do and at the same time live in a way where others see my happiness and my faith and want what I have. My God tells me to invite as many people as I can to join us in heaven, its a simple thing to do, good works are not required. Salvation is free by the Grace of God... I don't want to be religious at all.... My God doesn't tell me to kill anyone he tells me to share the gospel to as many as I can. Its your choice alone.
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Religious people have never done well in the world, my goal is to not be religious but spiritual. According to the bible Jesus spoke against the Scribes and Pharasis. I simply want to be obedient to what the bible tells us we should do and at the same time live in a way where others see my happiness and my faith and want what I have. My God tells me to invite as many people as I can to join us in heaven, its a simple thing to do, good works are not required. Salvation is free by the Grace of God... I don't want to be religious at all.... My God doesn't tell me to kill anyone he tells me to share the gospel to as many as I can. Its your choice alone.
cap
I consider myself to be somewhat religious but, I would never go around telling people about "my" god or talking about how I'm guaranteed a spot in heaven for believing such and such while your not. I take the stance that everyone is responsible for their own actions, whether or not you believe in a certain person or thing. If you met me in person, you'd never guess I was religious because I almost never talk about it unless I was asked. Even then, more then likely I'd just provide them with resources so they can read stuff up on their own (books, forums, w/e) unless they present me with questions right there on the spot. Its always discomforting when people try to push their beliefs on you (religion or not) which is why I avoid doing it to others. If you go to a person who is not a Christian and tell them what you've said here, its basically in one ear and out the other unless they are genuinely interested.
To me, its about quality vs quantity. I'd rather have 100 people who are true to the teachings vs 1 million crazies running around trying to push their own agendas in the name of a certain religion even though they're doing the complete opposite of that certain religion. I grew up in a small town with the majority of the population being Christian and everyone treated me and my family with respect and we also did the same. I don't think being religious or religion itself is evil as some have said, I just think people overall can be evil. If there were no such thing as religion, crazies would just find other ways or reasons to do whatever it is they want to do.
Anyways, that's my take on it
eace:
To me, its about quality vs quantity. I'd rather have 100 people who are true to the teachings vs 1 million crazies running around trying to push their own agendas in the name of a certain religion even though they're doing the complete opposite of that certain religion. I grew up in a small town with the majority of the population being Christian and everyone treated me and my family with respect and we also did the same. I don't think being religious or religion itself is evil as some have said, I just think people overall can be evil. If there were no such thing as religion, crazies would just find other ways or reasons to do whatever it is they want to do.
Anyways, that's my take on it
eace:
tegbusa
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I consider myself to be somewhat religious but, I would never go around telling people about "my" god or talking about how I'm guaranteed a spot in heaven for believing such and such while your not. I take the stance that everyone is responsible for their own actions, whether or not you believe in a certain person or thing. If you met me in person, you'd never guess I was religious because I almost never talk about it unless I was asked. Even then, more then likely I'd just provide them with resources so they can read stuff up on their own (books, forums, w/e) unless they present me with questions right there on the spot. Its always discomforting when people try to push their beliefs on you (religion or not) which is why I avoid doing it to others. If you go to a person who is not a Christian and tell them what you've said here, its basically in one ear and out the other unless they are genuinely interested.
To me, its about quality vs quantity. I'd rather have 100 people who are true to the teachings vs 1 million crazies running around trying to push their own agendas in the name of a certain religion even though they're doing the complete opposite of that certain religion. I grew up in a small town with the majority of the population being Christian and everyone treated me and my family with respect and we also did the same. I don't think being religious or religion itself is evil as some have said, I just think people overall can be evil. If there were no such thing as religion, crazies would just find other ways or reasons to do whatever it is they want to do.
Anyways, that's my take on it
My views exactly!
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MelodicMetalGod
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As long as there are those who want to kill, they'll find a reason/justification/rationalization to do so.
As long as there are those that can't think for them selves, evil leaders will tell them what to think and do.
Most religions, including Christianity, are intolerant of other religions to some degree, include historic references that justify the "elimination" of non-believers and include "information" that can be directly or indirectly interpreted to encourage extremist behavior at the expense of life.
There is a theory in some philosophies that all anger and violence is simply a reaction to fear/being scared. Kind of a Jedi thing: Fear leads to anger...etc. Nahhh! That COULDN'T POSSIBLY be the problem with folks, could it? Of COURSE not!
This has little to do with a specific religion/race/nationality and everything to do with people being selfish, unhappy, scared and stupid.
As long as there are those that can't think for them selves, evil leaders will tell them what to think and do.
Most religions, including Christianity, are intolerant of other religions to some degree, include historic references that justify the "elimination" of non-believers and include "information" that can be directly or indirectly interpreted to encourage extremist behavior at the expense of life.
There is a theory in some philosophies that all anger and violence is simply a reaction to fear/being scared. Kind of a Jedi thing: Fear leads to anger...etc. Nahhh! That COULDN'T POSSIBLY be the problem with folks, could it? Of COURSE not!
This has little to do with a specific religion/race/nationality and everything to do with people being selfish, unhappy, scared and stupid.
MelodicMetalGod
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I consider myself to be somewhat religious but, I would never go around telling people about "my" god or talking about how I'm guaranteed a spot in heaven for believing such and such while your not. I take the stance that everyone is responsible for their own actions, whether or not you believe in a certain person or thing. If you met me in person, you'd never guess I was religious because I almost never talk about it unless I was asked. Even then, more then likely I'd just provide them with resources so they can read stuff up on their own (books, forums, w/e) unless they present me with questions right there on the spot. Its always discomforting when people try to push their beliefs on you (religion or not) which is why I avoid doing it to others. If you go to a person who is not a Christian and tell them what you've said here, its basically in one ear and out the other unless they are genuinely interested.
To me, its about quality vs quantity. I'd rather have 100 people who are true to the teachings vs 1 million crazies running around trying to push their own agendas in the name of a certain religion even though they're doing the complete opposite of that certain religion. I grew up in a small town with the majority of the population being Christian and everyone treated me and my family with respect and we also did the same. I don't think being religious or religion itself is evil as some have said, I just think people overall can be evil. If there were no such thing as religion, crazies would just find other ways or reasons to do whatever it is they want to do.Anyways, that's my take on it
Well said!
Of course, fundamental to the Christian religion is the concept that you have an obligation to "bring the Word of Christ" to all people, for until that happens (all people have the opportunity to accept or decline the Word), He will not return again to take his children home. Therefore, to not spread the Word is to not heed the Word. Hmmmm...
afterhours
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sorry to have missed this, but something was brought up that needs to be addressed. The term "Slippery Slope" comes up alot in these discussions, but I don't know if anyone really understands why it is important.
When people talk of "days of prayer", "school prayer" or even "one nation under god" they look at it from the point of of the majority....most people are christian. They see no problem wth school prayer to a Christian god. The problem comes to light when the minority wants to pray to its god.....or heaven forbid, in 50 years that the majority of people in this country are not christian.
The Constitution forbids the gov. from sanctioning religion, this is important....the same law that outlaws christian prayer in school, also outlaws muslim prayer in school.
PS: many horrors mave been done in the name of god, and religions of all sorts. I hae read my bible, and it seems to me that if god really cared.....he would help, and not just sit by and watch from the sidelines. The bible is filled with stories of how god reached down and helped his people escape slavery, fight and conquer those living in the promised land.
seems to me that god and allah want to get after it.....they don't need us mere mortals doing the fighting for them.
When people talk of "days of prayer", "school prayer" or even "one nation under god" they look at it from the point of of the majority....most people are christian. They see no problem wth school prayer to a Christian god. The problem comes to light when the minority wants to pray to its god.....or heaven forbid, in 50 years that the majority of people in this country are not christian.
The Constitution forbids the gov. from sanctioning religion, this is important....the same law that outlaws christian prayer in school, also outlaws muslim prayer in school.
PS: many horrors mave been done in the name of god, and religions of all sorts. I hae read my bible, and it seems to me that if god really cared.....he would help, and not just sit by and watch from the sidelines. The bible is filled with stories of how god reached down and helped his people escape slavery, fight and conquer those living in the promised land.
seems to me that god and allah want to get after it.....they don't need us mere mortals doing the fighting for them.
Schexy1
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How could a good Constitutionalist not like and support this?
S4L
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You heard about this?
What is scariest is that he is an actual political representative. People like him would make me embarassed to call myself a republican
Correct me if I am wrong , BUT isnt it a Muslims belief To destroy every bible they find ? I know they do NOT allow them( the bible ) in Iraq....
tegbusa
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No
A Muslim who seek to distroy the Holy Bible or any revelations that came down to Moses, David or Solomon is considered non-believer in the Muslims faith.
It's also critical for Muslims to believe in the original revelations just as important to believe in the revelation of the Quran that came to Muhammad.
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Thanks for the info.. !
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