Can you counter a high-side w/a burnout?
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The initial question implies that the clutch is pulled in when the highside is initiated. I can't think of a way for a bike to have the rear step out when the clutch is pulled in, unless you're on the rear brake with the clutch pulled in in a corner.... But who does that??
2 ways to highside.
Using too much rear brake in a corner, locking the rear up causing the rear to step out. Rider panics and releases rear brake, immediate traction, bike snaps back in line rider flies high. Solution, don't use rear brake in corners. If you do, suffer the consequences. If you find yourself in this situation, better to keep the rear locked and lowside than highside.
Using too much throttle in a corner, spinning the rear up causing the rear to step out. Rider panics and chops the throttle to idle, immediate traction, bike snaps back in line rider flies high. Solution, let off the throttle a very small amount, don't chop the throttle. If you don't let off the throttle enough, you'll lowside which is better than highsiding.
2 ways to highside.
Using too much rear brake in a corner, locking the rear up causing the rear to step out. Rider panics and releases rear brake, immediate traction, bike snaps back in line rider flies high. Solution, don't use rear brake in corners. If you do, suffer the consequences. If you find yourself in this situation, better to keep the rear locked and lowside than highside.
Using too much throttle in a corner, spinning the rear up causing the rear to step out. Rider panics and chops the throttle to idle, immediate traction, bike snaps back in line rider flies high. Solution, let off the throttle a very small amount, don't chop the throttle. If you don't let off the throttle enough, you'll lowside which is better than highsiding.
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EXACTLY
Keith Code, author of Twist of the Wrist 1 and 2 founder of CA Superbike School calls that a classic case of "SR's" or Survival Reactions. SR's are our innate tendencies to do things to keep ourselves alive. They are very difficult beat as it is in our nature to have reflexes.
The key is to do some trackdays or attend a high performance riding school like Jason Pridmore's STAR, CA Superbike School, Freddie Spencer's riding school, etc....
What you need to do is learn to feel the rear end step out and control the amount of spin with your throttle hand (the original TRACTION CONTROL
Most rider's tendencies, or SR, during a rear wheel spin out of the corner under acceleration is to chop the throttle. Rear tire gains massive traction, upsets the bike's handling, wants to re-track itself and stands up violently, throws rider over the highside. The key is to let off slowly and let the rear spin. Letting off the throttle slowly assures that the rear tire slowly gains traction and it isn't too immediate. Some of us trackday junkies have built a sensitivity to the way a rear breaks traction and we just control it with our throttle hand. It sounds easier than it is to actually perform, because the rear breaking loose is the SCARIEST FREAKIN FEELING on a motorcycle. But a little trust in your equipment will help lead the way.
now....surviving too much front-end push/understeer...that's a different story....which requires a little knee, etc.
Another great lesson in controling rear wheel spin is to watch some MotoGP, World Superbike and AMA superbike and watch how those riders will step the rear out under acceleration, but they control it by modulating throttle position.
MotoGP is prolly the best because when they do the onboard shot plus rider telemetry, you can see how much throttle they apply on corner exit. You'll see that throttle position is gradually modulated. You may see 80% throttle when they're leaned over (well, just past apex and starting to stand her up), but then they lower it to around 40-50% throttle and baby the rear wheel until they finally stand the bike up.
MotoGP is prolly the best because when they do the onboard shot plus rider telemetry, you can see how much throttle they apply on corner exit. You'll see that throttle position is gradually modulated. You may see 80% throttle when they're leaned over (well, just past apex and starting to stand her up), but then they lower it to around 40-50% throttle and baby the rear wheel until they finally stand the bike up.
A tank slapper is more than just headshake
But yes, accelerating works because if you accelerate hard enough, you get the weight off the front wheel and the damper can be more effective. Pulling up a wheelie would definately solve the problem
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