It’s just Ukraine not ‘the’ Ukraine. It’s also not the America or the Australia either. 
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America used to come under the banner of "the americas", because it was a young nation state and hadn't proved itself.It’s just Ukraine not ‘the’ Ukraine. It’s also not the America or the Australia either.
It's 'Ukraine,' not 'the Ukraine' – here's why
That three-letter word erases the country’s political sovereignty.
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So it's really a matter of opinion. Those journalists and commentators who, like our overly-educated author above, think the ukraine will come out of this current war with all the lands it possessed before the war call it Ukraine. Those that think it's still just a border region that Russia is carving pieces out of, "the ukraine"
But really it's a matter for the residents there themselves, what do they think of it? When Russia invaded 6 Million simply fled to western europe. What does that tell you lol. I know, it's hard to see so I'll explain. Those 6 million and many others didn't think the place was worth fighting for. That's a far cry from from how the people in America or Australia behaved when their sovereign territory was invaded in WWII.
I personally don't allow others to do my thinking for me, especially the TV heads, or the reddit and other forum bots
“The Americas” was a term used by the Brits, Europeans and others because there were two, north and south.
The naming of the Americas, or America, occurred shortly after Christopher Columbus's first voyage to the Americas in 1492. It is generally accepted that the name derives from Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer, who explored the new continents in the following years on behalf of Spain and Portugal.
Again, if the ukraine can weather this current division of it's borders and come out victorious then perhaps in a few decades it will have earned the title of sovereignty. Not long ago there was a great nation call Yugoslavia. It doesn't exist today. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia[8] was a country in Southeast and Central Europe that existed from 1918 until 1941. Then it became a Federal state. And then... The Breakup of Yugoslavia, 1990–1992 Milestones: 1989–1992 - Office of the Historian
If the ukraine can't defend it's borders with the combined aid of the US and European NATO there is little hope that it will exist in it's present form. Poland would like a slice of it too but it's NATO membership prevents that. Perhaps in the future when NATO is disbanded... The future is the BRICS btw. Brazil; Russia, India, China, South Africa, and just recently joined by Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE, Ethiopia, Cuba wants to join too, and many others. All nations who want to breakaway from $US dominance. These nations represent the Lions share of energy minerals and food on the planet so why is no one in the west seriously talking about this alliance?
Again, if the ukraine can weather this current division of it's borders and come out victorious then perhaps in a few decades it will have earned the title of sovereignty. Not long ago there was a great nation call Yugoslavia. It doesn't exist today. The Kingdom of Yugoslavia[8] was a country in Southeast and Central Europe that existed from 1918 until 1941. Then it became a Federal state. And then... The Breakup of Yugoslavia, 1990–1992 Milestones: 1989–1992 - Office of the Historian
If the ukraine can't defend it's borders with the combined aid of the US and European NATO there is little hope that it will exist in it's present form. Poland would like a slice of it too but it's NATO membership prevents that. Perhaps in the future when NATO is disbanded... The future is the BRICS btw. Brazil; Russia, India, China, South Africa, and just recently joined by Saudi Arabia, Iran, UAE, Ethiopia, Cuba wants to join too, and many others. All nations who want to breakaway from $US dominance. These nations represent the Lions share of energy minerals and food on the planet so why is no one in the west seriously talking about this alliance?
Israel is America's outpost in the old ottoman empire, basically. They used to control Iran and Iraq too, they took control off the British who had divided Persia into it's current member states, all for the purposes of Oil extraction. Saudi Arabia was under US control for a long time as well.
We are entering what Strauss and Howe termed in their seminal work, "The Forth Turning", A cyclical period in history that results in all out wars and social upheavals. Demographers, they made general predictions back in the 1990's that have nearly all come to pass. According to their research which encompasses over 400 years of western history we are about to see incredible changes to our way of life. Imagine the collapse of the social security nets and the bankruptcy of private pensions, all of which hold the wealth in the stock market. Imagine the collapse of the banking and insurance industries? We had a foretaste of this in 2008, the GFC or great recession. Was anything fixed? No. Some things can't be fixed I am afraid.
We are entering what Strauss and Howe termed in their seminal work, "The Forth Turning", A cyclical period in history that results in all out wars and social upheavals. Demographers, they made general predictions back in the 1990's that have nearly all come to pass. According to their research which encompasses over 400 years of western history we are about to see incredible changes to our way of life. Imagine the collapse of the social security nets and the bankruptcy of private pensions, all of which hold the wealth in the stock market. Imagine the collapse of the banking and insurance industries? We had a foretaste of this in 2008, the GFC or great recession. Was anything fixed? No. Some things can't be fixed I am afraid.
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I quote you because this is the point that matters now ....We had a foretaste of this in 2008, the GFC or great recession. Was anything fixed? No. Some things can't be fixed I am afraid.
The "WILL" to fix the debt crisis of 08 was non existent. The Fed ( Bernanke and his disciples of financial chaos like Hank Paulson, the top guy
at the US Treasury ) could only shrug their shoulders and bail out the banks and extend the time frame of the debt cycle that we all have looming
over this country and world right now. Had the powers that be decided to let the chips fall where they may then a level of fiscal restoration would
have interrupted the balloning debt cycle that had QE as its fuel for future inflation and devaluing of the dollar we see right now. What the Fed
did accelerated our fiscal plunge into the abyss of destructive inflation. The only short term cure I could imagine in the aftermath of the TARP
implementation rescue plan was to freeze mortgage rates at 5 or 6% for a period of time not less than 3 years. This would have allowed a
fiscally responsible process to unfold where banks that over extended themselves were consolidated into private hands. Remember Indy Mac
Bank? Indy Mac didn't get bailed out and it was painful for many who were tied to that bank with personal deposits and mortgages underwritten
and owned by Indy Mac. Unfortunately Soros and others with deep pockets exploited that liquidation of Indy Macs assets ( Properties ) and
through One West Bank ( Soros and others were major stockholders of One West Bank ) were able to exploit the FDIC through a kickback plan
that had insured in ways the lost equity of those properties from the 08 crash and transferred them to One West Bank .
The artificially low interest rates from 2009 and going forward only fueled the housing inflation bubble that revealed itself to all time highs in 2022
with the covid scamdemic. The real estate industry is always pushing for higher prices based on the affordability factor of the middle class... all
low interest financing did in general was push the retail price of housing up.
As is so obvious now... the real estate values have inflated beyond the means of most middle
class Americans. I also believe a lot of shadow inventory is being held back from the markets by those investors that have the means to sit tight.
Why is that? I have no idea because between property taxes and insurance home ownership is becoming much more costly these days.
I realize this might sound over simplified because their have been many more impactful events taking place that in certain ways contributed to the debt bubble we have now like over spending that never seems to stop.
So, as you said above... Some things won't be fixed... My opinion is.... the reason why has to do with how the whole friggen crisis gets managed by those that know how to exploit it.
The middle class was hammered in 08.... the home equity bubble was popped.... and billions was made off of those that could not pay their mortgages. Truth in lending was suspended for years with liar loans as one of several triggering cause and effects spoken ad nauseam in the MSM and results speak for themselves.
Yes, well I agree with all you say, unusual on such a detailed posting. The common thread of course is Debt, insurmountable debt built upon the lavish expenditures that were generated over the era of cheap oil. In a sense we got used to having whatever we wanted and instead of pulling our horns in and going back to a more prudent and dare I say spartan way of life we collectively used debt to access future earnings, knowing full well at some level we could never pay it all back. Debt junkies, debt slaves.
A bankruptcy reset would appear to be the only solution, but that would mean all the homes and cars and all else on debt would have to be forfeited I guess. The 34 trillion in federal bonds reneged on, and the same all across the world since nearly all nations are in the same spot. All corporations have huge debts too and many smaller companies can't even make payroll without revolving debt. When you look at stock market valuations and factor this in it they nonsensical. I fear a great reset is coming, not one that will wipe out the debt but that will restructure it like they did over covid. You never have to pay it back but you have to pay interest for the rest of your life, and perhaps your children's lives like those 100 year mortgages they issued in Japan back in the 80's. Who Knows? The end game will not be pretty for the man in the street.
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I appreciate your insight to the current mess... it seems the powers that be have a way with money that isn't obvious until it nears the end of its life cycle where it all falls apart. The financial system built on debt is limited to how much belief people can maintain. Sooner or later people will settle for nothing less that is real and tangible.
I learned this quote years ago from someplace I can't recall... paraphrased as best I can. The purpose of business is to change equal value for equal value perceived by the end user... reduced it in a way to the truth for the truth in terms of value received. The value of fiat currencies continues to drop while the price of precious metals continues to rise.
Even precious metals has an inherit weakness about it in the markets. It wasn't that long ago JP Morgan Chase was fined 920 million dollars for manipulating the values of metals...
A $900 million fine, they should have lost their banking charter. I like that quote and yes it used to be like that in business didn't it Zerks, the world of the 20th century, a world of honest dealings.
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The 920 million was simply "go away" money... hey... were busy over here... here is your money... now go away and leave us alone.
It harkens back to the time when Wells Fargo was getting fined a billion dollars for opening new accounts for customers and charging them fees when the customers had not given the order or permission for the bank to open new accounts for those specific customers.
Unfortunately the choices are getting more limited by the day as the big ones swallow up the little ones and close the branches. If I ever wanted evidence that we are headed for a cashless society I only have to look up my main street. Another branch closed a week ago, now there is only one bank, and obscure one. You ask for cashout at the supermarket and they complain there isn't any in the till. When we go cashless they will hold all the chips, they can charge what they like because there will be no alternative to the digital network. Not looking forward to that I assure you.
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Several years ago i acquired a book titled "The War on Cash". Getting rid of cash is possible, however, it will totally disrupt the cash flow system in place that millions of people depend on to survive. Think about how many low income level people get paid in cash. I even know an electrician that makes $65 an hour and works part time. Think about the casinos and how much would change there. Think about the million of dollars exchanged every weekend art garage sales, flea markets and other places the average person participates in. How about the offering plate at churches? The good news for churches is that they are tax exempt ( because religion is a business ) so they got nothing to hide like so many other businesses that work with cash and are virtually tax free. In my opinion a cashless society will create a big back lash and the bartering business will take off. I can hear it now when the non mechanical neighbor ask his car mechanic neighbor if I pay you in gun ammunition will will do the front brakes on my Suburban? lol ! No cash and no taxable income on that deal... just one example of a solution for government over reach messing up our lives.
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Hi. If your carbon foot print is to hight or and if your woke score is to low your credits will only be at 50%.
I understand your arguments Zerks, but things have changed a lot since that book was published. I was in a church service, baptist, 6 months ago. There was no collection, it's all been digital since the covid lockdowns. The 'system' was happy to close millions of small business in malls for covid, they care nothing for flea markets. At my local a lot of stall holders have the small mobile connected payment units and phone to phone transfers are all the rage in some places. The people surviving on cashies now will have to use their phones or go without. Sure there will be something, a workaround, for the blind and elderly, but it won't involve cash.
All the technology is already in place and nearly everyone has a smart phone. If grandad doesn't he'll be given one and trained to use the cash app or he'll use his ATM card and swipe it. Cards will still be accepted for a while no doubt, there will just be no cash in the tills at the supermarket. "Touch-n-Go" cards solve it for the Blind. Now consider the upsides that the government will no doubt point to. No more tax evasion via cash the economy, it will cripple the drug trade and make a lot of theft unprofitable. And they will cite the costs of running a cash economy, which are not insignificant, as a great saving for the nation. But they will abolish it, giving people a period of grace to switch across, a few months probably. Time enough to re-deposit your hoarded cash or spend it. And as for buying secondhand well that will be bank transfers as already happens. I sold a cheap bike some years ago that way, direct transfer from their phone into my account. I checked via the phone banking system, one where you call in. I don't use netbank yet or touch and go but 1/2 my day to day purchases are via ATM cards and all my online purchases via paypal typically.
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Well.... now you know... I have lost touch with the 21st Century... and... I don't go to church. All joking aside... the War on Cash book isn't that old... I will look for the copyright date... it was a free book from someplace I don't remember where.
While the benefits of a cashless economy seem like a better way to go.... it will only be a matter of time before the Feds and their controllers will make another mockery of our 4th A right to privacy by taking it another step farther that they already have.
They still couldn't stop people from bartering.
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Hi. What a good way to go. Lets make it all cashless and put all on line where most of the fraud takes place. I can not think of a better thing to do!
Quite! It's why I don't do netbank, too much fraud. I'm no fan of the cashless society but I'm a realist, they will push it through. Two steps forward and one step back, that's their modus operandi. Covid was all about Cashless purchases, cash could have the virus on it! Now that's passed but a lot of people, older people, were trained on how to go cashless and all the younger ones are already there.
Look, if I was to have a guess, I'd say the way it will go is like this.
There will be a massive market crash instigated, easily done, we had the test case in 2008 and they know how it will go, how people will react ok. Then retirement pensions will be decimated, like 2008, but worse, and the banks will on the brink of collapse, or so they will say. Then a "solution" will be proposed, "We can save the system, but we will all have to do our part, we have to get rid of cash, we have to accept a new monetary standard"
It's as easy as that. And like the how all the protestors were shouted down over covid any detractors to the cashless society will be shouted down as well. You will be branded as Evil, anti-social. The people running this transition are quite overt about it, every nation 'knows' it's coming and that is half the battle over. Of course we know it's really all about profits for the major banking houses, corporations, and of course governments. It will not be stopped, so what do you do about it? How do you react, how do you position yourself financially? Do you prepare to short the market on a moments notice, is that even possible? Do you buy gold or silver so you still have control over a lot of your money? These are the questions I ponder because I also believe that this "transition" to a cashless society will also be used to wipe a lot of debt off the books, and that means a permanent reduction in the value of all paper assets.
It's all been done before btw, not the cashless society of course but the switch from one money system, gold and silver coinage, to paper, and at the same time a massive reduction in the value of paper assets, a collapse in house prices, globally! And a lot of bank failures so people lost their life savings. So forget cash, that's done and dusted. What about your retirement savings? It's all held in the stock market, in property funds, in various paper bonds.
Look, if I was to have a guess, I'd say the way it will go is like this.
There will be a massive market crash instigated, easily done, we had the test case in 2008 and they know how it will go, how people will react ok. Then retirement pensions will be decimated, like 2008, but worse, and the banks will on the brink of collapse, or so they will say. Then a "solution" will be proposed, "We can save the system, but we will all have to do our part, we have to get rid of cash, we have to accept a new monetary standard"
It's as easy as that. And like the how all the protestors were shouted down over covid any detractors to the cashless society will be shouted down as well. You will be branded as Evil, anti-social. The people running this transition are quite overt about it, every nation 'knows' it's coming and that is half the battle over. Of course we know it's really all about profits for the major banking houses, corporations, and of course governments. It will not be stopped, so what do you do about it? How do you react, how do you position yourself financially? Do you prepare to short the market on a moments notice, is that even possible? Do you buy gold or silver so you still have control over a lot of your money? These are the questions I ponder because I also believe that this "transition" to a cashless society will also be used to wipe a lot of debt off the books, and that means a permanent reduction in the value of all paper assets.
It's all been done before btw, not the cashless society of course but the switch from one money system, gold and silver coinage, to paper, and at the same time a massive reduction in the value of paper assets, a collapse in house prices, globally! And a lot of bank failures so people lost their life savings. So forget cash, that's done and dusted. What about your retirement savings? It's all held in the stock market, in property funds, in various paper bonds.
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