CC restrictions Yay or Nay

[josh_676]

I'm new here and just wanted to know some peoples opinions on this, in the big land of Australia learner and provisional riders are limited to being only allowed to ride 250cc motor cycles, do you agree and why?

having just turned 16 and gotten my license I think that the restrictions are a good idea, it lets young riders learn the fundamentals of riding with out spreading their brains and innards on the strip (hopefully) I find it insane that in the U.S people who have just gotten their license can immediately get a hayabusa or similarly powered sports bike. Even if I could get a bike like that I wouldn't, I know that I could ride it and control it, but again I know that I would take it to far and end up crashing, at least riding a 250 you get to learn your limitations with less risk than a larger capacity bike may put you in.

Ps I've been riding 3 years and have a 250 ZZR lame I know but it gets me from A to B

 

[vincent]

In this situation I do agree to an extent. I wouldn't say that all beginners belong on a 250 for X amount of time but this would eliminate a lot of problems that we have. Too many spoiled kids are able to talk their parents into the newest biggest and fastest thing around simply for getting all C's on their report cards. We always tell people new to the sport to start out with something small and work their way up. Gives better skills to the new rider, usually cheaper (especially with insurance), and when you go down can be a lot easier to replace and fix a smaller ride.

 

[Charlesbusa]

You can kill yourself just as easliy on a small bike as a large bike. If someone wants to kill themselves by acting stupid, let them. I don't want the gov. saying who can ride and what they can ride.

 

[04busaVA]

You can kill yourself just as easliy on a small bike as a large bike.  If someone wants to kill themselves by acting stupid, let them.  I don't want the gov. saying who can ride and what they can ride.

+1

I myself started out on a 600cc and drove the shid out of it, and now many years later and lots more self control I am riding the shid out of my busa.

IMHO.. it's stupidity that kills and not the displacement of the ride..

 

[Revlis]

Bullshid, Combine a CC restriction With REAL RIDER TRAINING, something 90% of Americans have NONE of? There would be a lot fewer dumbasses out there buying Busas or Litre bikes for their first motorcycles and a lot fewer folks young and old out there smoking themselves. Not to mention folks who are on the litre bikes or bigger would actually know how to ride them. NOT toodling around having no idea what the hell they are doing.

I'd say it's a good idea to restrict from 16-21, AND ANY AGE without experiance would have similar restrictions. I generally despise the idea of Nanny Government action, but as all of us can see every time we are out riding, there is a ton of folks out there riding bikes they have NO business riding. Young and old. So it would prolly be a good Idea. Folks apparantly are not smart enough to work it out on their own so there ya go.

A pretty anti-Rev stance I know, but this would be a good way to reduce the number of squids and posers out there killing themselves and others and raising my insurance rates even further. It would be pretty awesome for the sport to have some really comprehensive skills testing prior to being allowed to own and operate an open class bike.

 

[him]

I think its part of the american way. Hey get the fastest thing out and when something faster comes out get it. Hey if you got the money for the CCs then get it. Yeah i dont think there would be as many squids, but there wouldnt be as many bikers either. No one wants to ride around on a 250CC. IT just depnds on what motorcycling is about to you. I am against a CC restirction.

 

[josh_676]

Yes you can kill yourself on any bike you ride true, but generally smaller bikes are a lot more forgiveing on the small mistakes you make when you start riding, Is it mandatory for you guys to do rider training? down here we have to do a theory and practical motorcycle course to get our license.

I think the restrictions coupled with effective rider training have helped keep rider casualties to a minimum,

 

[him]

I think the restrictions coupled with effective rider training have helped keep rider casualties to a minimum,

Ah yes but then youre screwing with this great democracy we call america. You take away peoples choice. Hell if they do it with bikes then whats next cars, trucks...Oh you cant date the chick with the double D's casue youre not use to these A cups.

 

[Charlesbusa]

I think the restrictions coupled with effective rider training have helped keep rider casualties to a minimum,

Ah yes but then youre screwing with this great democracy we call america.  You take away peoples choice.  Hell if they do it with bikes then whats next cars, trucks...Oh you cant date the chick with the double D's casue youre not use to these A cups.

Exactly, where do you draw the line.  I say keep the gov. out of it if it doesn't compromise the saftey of others. And in this case I don't believe it does. No CC restrictions! Where would it stop??



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[him]

so youre saying restrict the cars and trucks too... that does deal with safety

 

[josh_676]

I respect the fact that you have all your ammendments and this &quot;protects&quot; you rights to do whatever you want. I don't fully agree with the restrictions but mandatory bike skills is just common sense, and whoever said that no one wants to ride a 250, if it;s the only thing that you are able to ride you make do, a bike is a bike. Even though it may not be as fast or as good as your bike I still enjoy riding it, and isn't that the main thing enjoying yourself?

 

[josh_676]

so youre saying restrict the cars and trucks too... that does deal with safety

No I don't agree with restricting car and trucks, nor do I agree to a certain extent with being restricted to 250 cc's, I although do think that driver/rider training is a must. on a side note in queensland now they have just put into effect some new laws limiting the horesepower to weight ratio.

 

[Charlesbusa]

If you believe in CC restrictions, then there should be liter restrictions for cars and trucks. You can't drive a 3.0 liter until you've done your time on a smaller engine.

I know it seems like common sense, but when you restrict everyone for a few idiots its not common sense, its unfair. I don't want laws made that restrict me because there are a couple brainless morons who don't get it.

Its a gray area, where do you draw the line?? No matter how many &quot;common sense&quot; laws you make, idiots will still find ways to kill themselves. Motorcycles don't kill people, people kill people.

 

[Charlesbusa]

I respect the fact that you have all your ammendments and this &quot;protects&quot; you rights to do whatever you want.

The constitution and its amendments don't give us the right to do whatever we want. They protect you from others who may try to infringe upon your rights. Its not a do whatever you want card, its protection against aggressive people.

 

[josh_676]

If you believe in CC restrictions, then there should be liter restrictions for cars and trucks. You can't drive a 3.0 liter until you've done your time on a smaller engine.

I know it seems like common sense, but when you restrict everyone for a few idiots its not common sense, its unfair. I don't want laws made that restrict me because there are a couple brainless morons who don't get it.

Its a gray area, where do you draw the line?? No matter how many &quot;common sense&quot; laws you make, idiots will still find ways to kill themselves. Motorcycles don't kill people, people kill people.

Ok learner riders are restrictred for 12 months to 250 cc motorcycles, after that they can get whatever bike they want.
As I said before they have started to restrict provisonal drivers from driving cars with a high power to weight ratio. again do americans have to do any rider training?

 

[Charlesbusa]

again do americans have to do any rider training?

Depends upon each state.

Most states have a written test(theory)
And a driving test.

The difficulty of each test varies on the state that issues it.

 

[him]

i'm with the training but not the restirctions. Havent bought a car before so i dont know how it works but i dont think the dealerships should allow people without license to by bikes...but that screws with there money and the economy and all other kinds of crap. The way i look at it is if we dont have people getting jacked up then were would we get cheap used after market parts

 

[Revlis]

If you believe in CC restrictions, then there should be liter restrictions for cars and trucks.  You can't drive a 3.0 liter until you've done your time on a smaller engine.

I know it seems like common sense, but when you restrict everyone for a few idiots its not common sense, its unfair.  I don't want laws made that restrict me because there are a couple brainless morons who don't get it.  

Its a gray area, where do you draw the line??  No matter how many &quot;common sense&quot; laws you make, idiots will still find ways to kill themselves.   Motorcycles don't kill people, people kill people.

No Man, Just have REAL TRAINING for everyone... More like Europe. Not some Bullshit mickey mouse parking lot test for a Bike Nor BS written exam and 10 seconds test drive when your 16. But REAL honest to god skills training. For Cagers and Riders.

AND yeah restrictions on all motorized vehicles until you qualify on them... Look at folks with CDL's. They have REAL tests to take, REAL training and are significantly UNDERrespresented in accidents. WHY? REAL TRAINING.

America is the land of the Free Home of the Fuggin Buckethead! No one takes responsibility for their own incompetance so having REAL skills training would and restrictions until said trainign is complete would be a huge bonus.

Can you imagine how much safer the roads would be if all the Fuggin SUV driving Soccer Mom's had to take a Special LARGE VEHICLE COURSE? OH, it would be awesome...

 

[Revlis]

I respect the fact that you have all your ammendments and this &quot;protects&quot; you rights to do whatever you want. I don't fully agree with the  restrictions but mandatory bike skills is just common sense, and whoever said that no one wants to ride a 250, if it;s the only thing that you are able to ride you make do, a bike is a bike. Even though it may not be as fast or as good as your bike I still enjoy riding it, and isn't that the main thing enjoying yourself?

You would think &quot;Common Sense&quot; wouldn't you! But you'd be mistaken... Right now, ANY 16 year old Kid can walk down to Suzuki, and with Daddy's money buy a Brand new Hayabusa. Head to the DMV and get a &quot;Permit&quot; for 6 months with only having passed only a basic written test... Then be out on the road... Oh and they can get that permit re-newed 5 times. No Shid!

The Road tests they have in Europe, with a rider following along? DON'T EXIST. You will have too toodle around a parking lot (Seriously) through some cones maybe, to pass your road test. It's a joke and it is why SO many folks here splatter themselves over the scenery... &quot;It's MY RIGHT!&quot; Well that's DANDY, but it is not YOUR RIGHT to fuggin kill a passenger, or other riders near you or someone else when their EGO FILLED, Materialistic ASS gets it all wrong!

So Josh, the Scary assed answer is NO there are NO restrictions or required training per say. Nothing. Gear isn't required in most states cause &quot;It's My Right!&quot; Blah blah blah... It's OK though, Darwinism at it's finest. The lack of restrictions or REAL training thins the Ranks quickly.

You won't Catch a &quot;Murican&quot; biker on a 250... it's just not &quot;COOL&quot;, or it's not &quot;TOUGH&quot; enough. Hell it wasn't in Biker Boyz... The &quot;IMAGE&quot; here in the states is what is important. It's why cruisers don't wear helmets, it's why there is such a lack of Proper riding gear in use. Hell, Leather Pants? Knee Sliders? WTF are those? Hell I'm guilty too, I don't have pants and I make all sorts of excuses for it...

So I would propose the following maybe... Do not restrict based on age or CC, restrict based on Experiance, TESTS, and COURSES passed. So if you want an OPEN class Bike, you have to have an OPEN class license. Same with vehicles, you want a Toyota Camry you pass the basic test. You want a fuggin &quot;Penis Compensating&quot; Hummer H2, you have to Pass a special &quot;SUV&quot; course... Etc... None of which is age based, just skills based. I would support this 100%!

Spooky Though isn't it? It's freaky when you go from a European environment and watch the drivers and the way they handle their cars, then come here (Especially Florida) and watch the amazing lack of skills, courteousy and ability on the roads. Quite spooky really...

Yeah I am being harsh, but if we all had more training, more gear and better drivers? Mike's Hardware and others would still be here prolly. We have all lost friends, this kinda system would help out.

 

[josh_676]

A 16 year old on a hayabusa whooah that is a scary thought.
are they allowed to take passengers straight away?

To get out license we have to do a riding course, then after 12 months we have to go to another more intensive riding course to get our license, and presumably because of this I cannot remember the last time any motorcycle rider has gone splat,

Revlis I agree with what you are saying, why deliver a weapon of a vehicle like a hummer or hayabusa to someone that cannot control it, people say it's their choice or their right, but what happens when the choice that you make ends up killing someone because you couldn't handle the effects of &quot;your choice&quot; I continually see threads here that ask whether the hayabusa would be a suitable first bike, the answer logicly is a resounding no, now why do you say no to having a hayabusa as a first bike and not say yes to something like CC restricions or mandatory rider training? what I want to know is the ways that you think are an effective means of reducing road fatalities,


Off topic, it shouldn't matter what type of bike you have, it should matter if you enjoy it or not, their is no point in buying a bike just because it fits an image that you want to portray. With the bike I ride even though it may not be as fast as anything you people ride (210kph) I still love riding it and thoroughly enjoy it. If you wouldn't be caught dead riding a 250 maybe you should reasses the reasons that you started riding.