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+1 This sounds pretty good to me....That's an idea...
These are words of wisdom. I don't know the family, so I can't say whether they are well off or not, but what I do know is that Swan was huge in BC, and with all the supporters and members of her various groups, I can't imagine that more money would be needed for funeral expenses. She did not have any dependents, so that isn't an issue either. I would rather see money go to something that will help establish and preserve her name, memory, and contributions to the motorcycle community. I do not know what the answer is, but things that come to mind are the purchse of a plaque or some other permanent marker. Or purchasing space in her favorite magazine for a tribute. They had created a memorial patch for Bog. Perhaps we could pay for the creation of one for Julia and buy a bunch for people. Again, I do not know the answer. The best thing I can do is try to get a hold of someone up there and try to find out what they want.
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Ok, the funds I raised for Juliana and can't get to her are available as soon as Thinker figures out what it should go toward. I trust him to put it to good use. Greg, let me know if you want me to go ahead and send it to you... or whatever. I'll have to mail it because it's not in my PayPal account anymore (for security reasons of course) but I can get you a cashiers check or money order on the way by wednesday or thursday (my next off days).
OK, I just talked to Robert, Julia's fiance, and he asked that I express the family's thanks for all the well wishes. We also discussed how Hayabusa.org can help.
First, we should know that Julia does have a son, but he is an adult and doing OK. Her parents own the restaurant, but are far from being rich. They believe that Julia may have had life insurance and are looking for that documentation.
Robert is going to speak with the family and get back to us, but he would like to see the money go to the fund for her funeral expenses and any left-over money to "Bikers for Burns". Julia was a big supporter of a camp for child burn victims. She put together an annual ride to Whistler to raise money for "Bikers for Burns".
So once again, Robert's request is that the money go toward Julia's funeral expenses and any excess to go toward "Bikers for Burns". He will confirm this with the family and get back to me with instructions.
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First, we should know that Julia does have a son, but he is an adult and doing OK. Her parents own the restaurant, but are far from being rich. They believe that Julia may have had life insurance and are looking for that documentation.
Robert is going to speak with the family and get back to us, but he would like to see the money go to the fund for her funeral expenses and any left-over money to "Bikers for Burns". Julia was a big supporter of a camp for child burn victims. She put together an annual ride to Whistler to raise money for "Bikers for Burns".
So once again, Robert's request is that the money go toward Julia's funeral expenses and any excess to go toward "Bikers for Burns". He will confirm this with the family and get back to me with instructions.
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PM me and let me know when and where to send you the money, bro...
Me 2 or to the paypal Capt set up? either one let me know plz... thanx - Kent
So everyone is going to donate to help pay for funeral expenses.
Why dont they just sell the GSXR 1000 that she will never get to ride?
The family is looking for the life insurance policy?
She own'd the Flying Swan Cafe,which is open for bisiness?
Folks can donate money to bury someone....
but....isn't it already paid for. The plot has been picked, the bike ride is set. Everything has been done.
I dunno... its a funny situation...
Let some internet strangers/friends take any part in my loved ones funeral....
I wouldn't even be on the internet to find out about it....
OK, lets just clear up a couple of things. First, as far as I know, these people have not asked us for anything. They have not logged onto .org and asked for anything. I didn't ask for anything, and Captain didn't ask for anything. These people never claimed to be poor. It was our membership who immediately offered to donate. Why? Because in these situations people want to do something to help....something that may ease the pain and hardship of the family. Giving makes people feel good. None of our people (except you) questioned the wealth of the family. If you have to go thru these extremes to justify a gift, it isn't in your heart to give it. So just keep it. But please allow others to express their condolences as they feel appropriate.
Julia did not own the Flying Swan. She managed it. I am not sure, but I think her parents actually own it. But it is not Mortons. It is a small cafe. And Julia and the Cafe have been involved with lots of charitable causes. This was a good person.
I don't know if the funeral is paid for, and I don't really care. Robert told me about how he was planing to give Julia an '04 Gixxer 1000 as a wedding present. He had it customized with their names and wedding date. Could he sell it? I don't know, and I don't care. I think it would be better to keep it in her memory. I am not about to conduct a credit check on the man or run a D&B on the business. And I damn sure do not need a receipt to verify how the money is used. It is not that serious.
The man told me that Julia was very private and they THINK she may have had life insurance. But they have not found it yet. He also said that his choice would be to use the money for expenses and to GIVE ANY EXCESS TO THE WORTHY CHARITY THAT JULIA SUPPORTED. That is good enough for me. Could the family just be greedy? I don't no and I don't care! Everybody will eventually be held accountable for the way they live their lives.
This is all about people who want to, and choose to give. Please don't spoil that. I am sure you have other subjects to occupy your attention. In my opinion this is a very poor place for you to play the Devil's Advocate Game.
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First off, let me just say that I respect the two of you...honestly. This is just my take on th situation.
I think RSD is just voicing an opinion...his opinion. It's just something that he thinks may be a little misguided. He wasn't explicitly stating that he didn't want to give money; RSD's a stand-up kinda guy who would bend over backwards to help a person out...IF they earned it.
It could be his form of expression, but both you and I (you moreso than I) know that sometimes RSD's message can be misconstrued. He suggested a worthy charity...or a worthy cause. In my eyes, it's not to play Devil's Advocate....it's just him voicing his opinion of something he does not quite see the logic of.
I agree with you on some points though, Thinker...everyone will be asked to give an account and justification of their actions in their lives. The Big Man will see our intentions, and log them accordingly.
He will also see RSD's intentions...and log them accordingly as well.
RSD is not a completely heartless individual...he just has a more realistic view of the world and what goes on in it. He'd help out a brother with no intentions of seeking reimbursement...and he'd do it just cause he felt it was the right thing to do.
If you read his posts closely, you'd find out that he carries similar intentions to the others....it's just that his way of expressing his intentions is different. Sure, his posts may incite a general discontent when first read, but if you're able to read it with an open mind instead of one clouded with anger or malcontent, you'll get a glimpse of the what he's really trying to say.
Which, when it comes down to it...is not at all that much different than what we ourselves would say.
I'm not trying to fight RSD's fights...he'd just as soon tell me to fugg off as he would step in to help me with what I needed. That, an he's more than capable of fighting his battles on his own.
It's just that in this particular instance....there isn't anything to fight over or about, you know what I mean?
Just my .02, guys....FWIW.
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I think RSD is just voicing an opinion...his opinion. It's just something that he thinks may be a little misguided. He wasn't explicitly stating that he didn't want to give money; RSD's a stand-up kinda guy who would bend over backwards to help a person out...IF they earned it.
It could be his form of expression, but both you and I (you moreso than I) know that sometimes RSD's message can be misconstrued. He suggested a worthy charity...or a worthy cause. In my eyes, it's not to play Devil's Advocate....it's just him voicing his opinion of something he does not quite see the logic of.
I agree with you on some points though, Thinker...everyone will be asked to give an account and justification of their actions in their lives. The Big Man will see our intentions, and log them accordingly.
He will also see RSD's intentions...and log them accordingly as well.
RSD is not a completely heartless individual...he just has a more realistic view of the world and what goes on in it. He'd help out a brother with no intentions of seeking reimbursement...and he'd do it just cause he felt it was the right thing to do.
If you read his posts closely, you'd find out that he carries similar intentions to the others....it's just that his way of expressing his intentions is different. Sure, his posts may incite a general discontent when first read, but if you're able to read it with an open mind instead of one clouded with anger or malcontent, you'll get a glimpse of the what he's really trying to say.
Which, when it comes down to it...is not at all that much different than what we ourselves would say.
I'm not trying to fight RSD's fights...he'd just as soon tell me to fugg off as he would step in to help me with what I needed. That, an he's more than capable of fighting his battles on his own.
It's just that in this particular instance....there isn't anything to fight over or about, you know what I mean?
Just my .02, guys....FWIW.
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Pacific, if I am guilty of anything it is that I read #### too closely. I analyze and over analyze. Believe me, I always read RSD's words carefully. Check my response to his first post. I wrote, "These are words of wisdom." He made an excellent point which was if the family doesn't need the money, why not donate to a worthy cause in her name or memory. That was an excellent point. Someone volunteered me in this, so I agreed to check with the family with regards to what they would rather see us do. The assumption was that we would respect the answer.First off, let me just say that I respect the two of you...honestly. This is just my take on th situation.
I think RSD is just voicing an opinion...his opinion. It's just something that he thinks may be a little misguided. He wasn't explicitly stating that he didn't want to give money; RSD's a stand-up kinda guy who would bend over backwards to help a person out...IF they earned it.
It could be his form of expression, but both you and I (you moreso than I) know that sometimes RSD's message can be misconstrued. He suggested a worthy charity...or a worthy cause. In my eyes, it's not to play Devil's Advocate....it's just him voicing his opinion of something he does not quite see the logic of.
I agree with you on some points though, Thinker...everyone will be asked to give an account and justification of their actions in their lives. The Big Man will see our intentions, and log them accordingly.
He will also see RSD's intentions...and log them accordingly as well.
RSD is not a completely heartless individual...he just has a more realistic view of the world and what goes on in it. He'd help out a brother with no intentions of seeking reimbursement...and he'd do it just cause he felt it was the right thing to do.
If you read his posts closely, you'd find out that he carries similar intentions to the others....it's just that his way of expressing his intentions is different. Sure, his posts may incite a general discontent when first read, but if you're able to read it with an open mind instead of one clouded with anger or malcontent, you'll get a glimpse of the what he's really trying to say.
Which, when it comes down to it...is not at all that much different than what we ourselves would say.
I'm not trying to fight RSD's fights...he'd just as soon tell me to fugg off as he would step in to help me with what I needed. That, an he's more than capable of fighting his battles on his own.
It's just that in this particular instance....there isn't anything to fight over or about, you know what I mean?
Just my .02, guys....FWIW.
The answer came back that the funeral was not taken care of. The answer was that Robert would ask the family for further guidance and would suggest that any money not needed be donated in Julia's name. Why wouldn't that be the end of it? It was appropriate to ask the initial question, but I find it extremely insensitive and inappropriate to question the financial resources of the family, or to suggest that they sell the bike or liquidate assets, or anything else.
I am not questioning whether RSD is a good guy. I have benefited from his generousity before. And I am not angry. I, like RSD, tend to question things all the time. It is also in my nature to do so. But in this case, I am saying that this is not the time for extreme analysis or debate. People want to give in order to feel better themselves. We asked the family what they would prefer, and we will follow through with the direction they give us. My request is that we move on and pick apart some other subject. Give or don't give as you see fit. Just leave everyone else alone to do the same.
this,like so many things...is none of my business...
have a nice day people.
RSD.
have a nice day people.
RSD.
while a part of me wants to explore this discussion further, I will restrain myself and honor your request.Pacific, if I am guilty of anything it is that I read #### too closely. I analyze and over analyze. Believe me, I always read RSD's words carefully. Check my response to his first post. I wrote, "These are words of wisdom." He made an excellent point which was if the family doesn't need the money, why not donate to a worthy cause in her name or memory. That was an excellent point. Someone volunteered me in this, so I agreed to check with the family with regards to what they would rather see us do. The assumption was that we would respect the answer.First off, let me just say that I respect the two of you...honestly. This is just my take on th situation.
I think RSD is just voicing an opinion...his opinion. It's just something that he thinks may be a little misguided. He wasn't explicitly stating that he didn't want to give money; RSD's a stand-up kinda guy who would bend over backwards to help a person out...IF they earned it.
It could be his form of expression, but both you and I (you moreso than I) know that sometimes RSD's message can be misconstrued. He suggested a worthy charity...or a worthy cause. In my eyes, it's not to play Devil's Advocate....it's just him voicing his opinion of something he does not quite see the logic of.
I agree with you on some points though, Thinker...everyone will be asked to give an account and justification of their actions in their lives. The Big Man will see our intentions, and log them accordingly.
He will also see RSD's intentions...and log them accordingly as well.
RSD is not a completely heartless individual...he just has a more realistic view of the world and what goes on in it. He'd help out a brother with no intentions of seeking reimbursement...and he'd do it just cause he felt it was the right thing to do.
If you read his posts closely, you'd find out that he carries similar intentions to the others....it's just that his way of expressing his intentions is different. Sure, his posts may incite a general discontent when first read, but if you're able to read it with an open mind instead of one clouded with anger or malcontent, you'll get a glimpse of the what he's really trying to say.
Which, when it comes down to it...is not at all that much different than what we ourselves would say.
I'm not trying to fight RSD's fights...he'd just as soon tell me to fugg off as he would step in to help me with what I needed. That, an he's more than capable of fighting his battles on his own.
It's just that in this particular instance....there isn't anything to fight over or about, you know what I mean?
Just my .02, guys....FWIW.
The answer came back that the funeral was not taken care of. The answer was that Robert would ask the family for further guidance and would suggest that any money not needed be donated in Julia's name. Why wouldn't that be the end of it? It was appropriate to ask the initial question, but I find it extremely insensitive and inappropriate to question the financial resources of the family, or to suggest that they sell the bike or liquidate assets, or anything else.
I am not questioning whether RSD is a good guy. I have benefited from his generousity before. And I am not angry. I, like RSD, tend to question things all the time. It is also in my nature to do so. But in this case, I am saying that this is not the time for extreme analysis or debate. People want to give in order to feel better themselves. We asked the family what they would prefer, and we will follow through with the direction they give us. My request is that we move on and pick apart some other subject. Give or don't give as you see fit. Just leave everyone else alone to do the same.
While some points may have unfortunately come across as misconstrued, I will say to you that you and I are in agreement.
I do agree with what Pacific said!! RSD is not a bad person.... nor is he the kind of person who comes in the way of something good being done. Having said that He is free to express his opinion... your free to express yours, and the members of the board are free to donate or not to donate to the cause!!
....and BT, I see you are a very responsible, straight forward, and a honest guy.... so I would agree with any dicision you take regarding the Juliana fund! If you feel its appropriate to divert those funds to the Flying Swan cause... im ok with that, or if you want to divert it to any of the other charities that our old contravetial bastid (
) mentioned... im ok to that too. I donated to a good cause... and I dont care what "perticular" cause it is, as long as it is good.
....and BT, I see you are a very responsible, straight forward, and a honest guy.... so I would agree with any dicision you take regarding the Juliana fund! If you feel its appropriate to divert those funds to the Flying Swan cause... im ok with that, or if you want to divert it to any of the other charities that our old contravetial bastid (
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