Death Row

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Kento-Moto

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Can some one explain why it takes so long? The Williams case has brought it to the fore again but why does death row take sooooooo long and who decides the execution date after so many years .... ? Doesnt one of the ammendments state " The right to a speedy trial " ? Well sometimes the trials dont start till many months or even years after the crime and then the execution doesnt happen for many years. WHY? I would think that you could tri a person then have an arbetrator ( like the govenor or someone ) review the case, then a final appeal and maybe even retrial and your done. So thats 3 attempts to see if all is well or not. Then DONE! Either comute or execute. The way it is it keeps the criminal alive for a way extended time, he can even reform and maybe he really is a better person than years ago ... it costs $$$$ to incarcerate. A more immediate execution of punishment would set a more intimidating example for others that may want to commit similar crimes. In ancient bible times if you were found guilty you were taken outside the city and stoned ( by real rocks ) to death immediately. And whats more the common people took part in it thereby also setting an example for crime deterant. So again I ask why does our process take so long? hmmmm
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Good question. I have no answer. Maybe it's because so many have been proven innocent by DNA and they don't want to kill the wrong person? Hell i don't know.
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Dna logs could be backed up for years and they wanna be sure not to kill the innocent.I will say to this day there is no real evidence to have convicted him.Tookie was convicted by guilty by connection/association not by evidence.I don't one minute agree with what the crips and bloods do,but i will agree his life should be spared cause they say he took four lives,but let him live and write all the books he can and tell his stories cause he may save the very lives of millions to come by telling them how not to get caught in the life he lived and now has had taken away cause of his choices.
 
Read his books & watch his stories and you will see my point.If a man is brought up in that environment and until he is taken away from it,he doesn't know right from wrong just what he sees.
 
I really dont think I could make a life or Death decision for anyone. I dont mean just the Williams case, I mean any of them take forever. I'm definately no expert in this subject and thats why I asked the question above, but seems that a final decision within a few months not years.
 
It's the appeal process...Access to state and federal courts...The courts are so back logged it's ridiculous...When it gets serious the court will act...

It's great though...

Think about it death row inmates wait for years to die and try everything they find to get out of death and it ultimatley happens...Pure agony...



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Everyone knows:

I'm hungry, I need to eat.
I'm cold, I need clothing.
I hate rain, I need shelter.

I've learned that I need money.
He has money that I need, I'll take it.
He pulled a gun, I need to defend myself because I like my life. I can't believe he would pull a gun on me over some money. He eats every day and drives a nice car and probably lives in a nice home. I am alive and he's dead... I can eat now. Whew close call.


Weeks/Months/Years later...

I can't believe I shot someone over a meager $20 dollars. I wish I knew then what I know now.

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We take the basics for granted because of our own upbringing. He might not have had the fundamentals taught to him early on. Therefore, we human (animals) fall back on our instincts alone and try to apply common sense & social training to situations that are unfamiliar. If your common sense and social training is survival based, I'm certain your actions would be drastically different from those of someone who has never wanted in their life.

I'm not saying it was right. I'm not saying his life was void of social upbringing. I'm just showing that if we stop and think about life, perhaps we can see that life is delicate for everyone no matter which side of the gun they happen to be on.
 
The trial phase is over long before the appeal proccess begins, hence the speedy trial does not apply. In most states, (probably all) there is an automatic appeal when the death sentence is handed down, just to check all the legal aspects were handed correctly, this takes time. Then if any other stays are granted pending reviews, they must all be exhausted before the sentence is carried out. I find it amusing that so many people are upset that our tax dollars are spent keeping people alive, it's not like we would have get a tax break if they shot people in the head right after the trial........
 
(lot boy @ Dec. 13 2005 said:
(GSXTacy @ Dec. 12 2005 said:
(GoldenChild @ Dec. 12 2005 said:
Read his books & watch his stories and you will see my point.If a man is brought up in that environment and until he is taken away from it,he doesn't know right from wrong just what he sees.
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EVERYONE knows that killing is wrong. Its not that complicated.
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yet we have a death row?
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Yep...punishment for crimes you commited. It could be hypocrytical, but its the law.

You know right from wrong. You know if you break the law there will be a price to pay. Some people CHOOSE to do wrong, and make the wrong choices.
They CHOOSE to get into a gang instead of getting a job. They CHOOSE to do drugs instead of getting an education or making themselves better. Its a little thing called free will.
 
It could be hypocrytical, but its the law.[/QUOTE]
Could be? Rofl.....
You know right from wrong. You know if you break the law there will be a price to pay. Some people CHOOSE to do wrong, and make the wrong choices.
They CHOOSE to get into a gang instead of getting a job. They CHOOSE to do drugs instead of getting an education or making themselves better. Its a little thing called free will.[/QUOTE]
You are oversimplifying it. Everyone has choices, yes, but not everyone has the same choices. I cannot judge someone, nor understand their decisions until I have been forced to make the same choices myself. As far as gangs, if you grow up surrounded by that environment, it can be deadly not to choose that lifestyle, and deadly if you do, tough choice. As far as drugs, I don't think anyone WANTS to be a meth addicted $2 ho, but they probably didn't think about that when someone suggested they had a little bump at the office party......
 
(Mr Brown @ Dec. 13 2005 said:
It could be hypocrytical, but its the law.
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Could be? Rofl.....
You know right from wrong. You know if you break the law there will be a price to pay. Some people CHOOSE to do wrong, and make the wrong choices.
They CHOOSE to get into a gang instead of getting a job. They CHOOSE to do drugs instead of getting an education or making themselves better. Its a little thing called free will.[/QUOTE]
You are oversimplifying it. Everyone has choices, yes, but not everyone has the same choices. I cannot judge someone, nor understand their decisions until I have been forced to make the same choices myself. As far as gangs, if you grow up surrounded by that environment, it can be deadly not to choose that lifestyle, and deadly if you do, tough choice. As far as drugs, I don't think anyone WANTS to be a meth addicted $2 ho, but they probably didn't think about that when someone suggested they had a little bump at the office party......[/QUOTE]
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I believe that everyone has the same choices.
They dont have the same environment, and they dont have the same circumstances.  But they do have the same CHOICES.
You make the choice to get up and go to school.  You make the choice to apply yourself.  You dont get to choose your parents, you dont get to pick your house or neighborhood at a younger age.  But you can make choices to NOT GO THAT ROUTE!
Its called taking responsibility for YOUR actions.  I had one f*cked up childhood that still effects me to this day.  But I do whatever I can to NOT use that as an excuse for any bad choice I make.
Have you seen Dangerous Minds? Based on a true story.
Good line from that movie..."There are no victims in this classroom!"
or
"You can either choose to leave here and not graduate, or you can stay and put up with me. It may not be a choice that you like, but you do have a choice."
People come out of the "ghetto" all the time and make their lives better instead of letting it suck them in. I feel no pitty for people who do nothing with their lives and then blame others...



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I agree Carrie...while not everyone has the same support system or opportunities in life, I am sure there are plenty that make it through the muddled mess that is their lives and do good for society...

I put a lot of blame on parents nowadays, but even that excuse gives way when you have a 21 year old that just refuses to grow up and do right...
 
(BaybeBusa04 @ Dec. 13 2005 said:
(lot boy @ Dec. 13 2005 said:
(GSXTacy @ Dec. 12 2005 said:
(GoldenChild @ Dec. 12 2005 said:
Read his books & watch his stories and you will see my point.If a man is brought up in that environment and until he is taken away from it,he doesn't know right from wrong just what he sees.
Click to expand...
EVERYONE knows that killing is wrong. Its not that complicated.
Click to expand...
yet we have a death row?
Click to expand...
Yep...punishment for crimes you commited.  It could be hypocrytical, but its the law.

You know right from wrong.  You know if you break the law there will be a price to pay.  Some people CHOOSE to do wrong, and make the wrong choices.
They CHOOSE to get into a gang instead of getting a job.  They CHOOSE to do drugs instead of getting an education or making themselves better.  Its a little thing called free will.
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and then we "choose" to kill em on our own free will--then go to church on sunday--glad they dont hand out execution jobs like jurry duty or i would be in jail
 
Carrie and Michelle,
respectfully, how can you seriously believe that everyone has the same choices? I find it hard to digest that two intelligent people honestly think that luck has nothing to do with the situation they are now in. Every time I see a person in a f@#ked up place in their life, I think "There but for the grace of God go I..." Seriously, how many people do you think are one paycheck away from homelessness? Or one bad car wreck away from bankruptcy? How do you guys think your children would fare if you were put in either of these scenarios?
 
At least in CA, all condemmed prisoners get an automatic 10 year stay to go through the appeal process. It takes five years just to get the paperwork started, then another five to put an appeal together. Once you get to court in the 10th year, you can drag things out forever searching for new witnesses and evidence. Not hard to see how you can get to 15 and 20 years before you run out new ways to clog up the works.
 
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