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OB_Dirty Pete
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Byhalia and Sabor...OK, I imposed a NO on myself. Thanks for shaking me back to life.
Where would a Canadian boy find these Pro Grips of which you speak?
URL? 1-800 number?
Where would a Canadian boy find these Pro Grips of which you speak?
URL? 1-800 number?
OB_Mr Bear
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I gotta try that too... 
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COOL!!! I'm Da Man!!
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... ...COOL!!! I'm Da Man!!
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OB_Dirty Pete
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You fellows making faces during discussion period...this is unacceptable.
See me in my office after class.
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See me in my office after class.
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Rypp: My two cents on hand and wrist fatigue, finger numbness, hand grips, etc:
I think it's all in your posture on the bike. If you see a sport bike as an opportunity to tighten up your abdominal and back muscles and get into the habit of always TOTALLY unloading your hands and arms using those large muscle groups, several good things happen.
First, you have quicker, lighter and more subtle control over your throttle, clutch, brake and steering because your wrists have no load and you can perform fast throttle rotations, lever grabs and counter steering. Stands to reason that if your arm muscles aren't supporting your upper body, more arm and wrist strength is available for other stuff.
Second, by unloading your arms and tightening your upper body musculature, you enable your upper body to act as a shock absorber over abrupt road undulations that cause heavy, sudden, positive G-loads. You can just dip at the waist with the bumps instead of overloading your hands and arms and being momentarily out of control. If you get a heavy, bump-induced G-load in the middle of a corner you'll appreciate having your hands fully available to react.
Third, you cut out finger numbness and arm fatigue entirely, unless you're got underlying circulatory or nervous system problems. Even under long ride or race conditions.
Fourth, you reduce your chance of lower back problems since abs and back muscle tone are the medically accepted keys to life-long lower back health.
Fifth and most importantly, the babes like good abs.
This "unload the arms" concept is why serious racers always concentrate on upper body strength in their weight training. Upper body strength helps you resist heavy braking and acceleration forces without influencing your delicate hand control inputs.
The Hayabusa grips are already great. They don't slip when you twist them, or deform on the bars. I just wanted grips that looked better.
Those stock things are boring!!!!!!!!!
I'm thinking pink. You know, pussy pink.
[This message has been edited by Dirty Pete (edited 23 August 1999).]
[This message has been edited by Dirty Pete (edited 23 August 1999).]
I think it's all in your posture on the bike. If you see a sport bike as an opportunity to tighten up your abdominal and back muscles and get into the habit of always TOTALLY unloading your hands and arms using those large muscle groups, several good things happen.
First, you have quicker, lighter and more subtle control over your throttle, clutch, brake and steering because your wrists have no load and you can perform fast throttle rotations, lever grabs and counter steering. Stands to reason that if your arm muscles aren't supporting your upper body, more arm and wrist strength is available for other stuff.
Second, by unloading your arms and tightening your upper body musculature, you enable your upper body to act as a shock absorber over abrupt road undulations that cause heavy, sudden, positive G-loads. You can just dip at the waist with the bumps instead of overloading your hands and arms and being momentarily out of control. If you get a heavy, bump-induced G-load in the middle of a corner you'll appreciate having your hands fully available to react.
Third, you cut out finger numbness and arm fatigue entirely, unless you're got underlying circulatory or nervous system problems. Even under long ride or race conditions.
Fourth, you reduce your chance of lower back problems since abs and back muscle tone are the medically accepted keys to life-long lower back health.
Fifth and most importantly, the babes like good abs.
This "unload the arms" concept is why serious racers always concentrate on upper body strength in their weight training. Upper body strength helps you resist heavy braking and acceleration forces without influencing your delicate hand control inputs.
The Hayabusa grips are already great. They don't slip when you twist them, or deform on the bars. I just wanted grips that looked better.
Those stock things are boring!!!!!!!!!
I'm thinking pink. You know, pussy pink.
[This message has been edited by Dirty Pete (edited 23 August 1999).]
[This message has been edited by Dirty Pete (edited 23 August 1999).]
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Now if you just had a solution for the sore butt syndrome that seems to arrive after about 200 miles!!!~
Interesting theory Pete. I am not a slob but I'm not Adonis either. I have never had this problem on any other bike. Not even on my Ninja. I was just wondering if there is a minute resonant vibration that is making its way into the bars and if cushier grips would help? I don't put much weight on my hands for the same reasons that you mentioned so I don't believe that is the problem!
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Rypp: I certainly didn't mean to suggest that you were not in shape. Lots of guys in excellent shape put too much weight on their wrists and suffer the consequences.
I'm saying that radically retraining yourself to keep the weight off your wrists has lots of benefits.
I was going numb too, until I did this retraining.
You could test your cushy grips theory by temporarily making yours cushier with foam wrap and duct tape. If that works, then it would be worthwhile for you to go in hot pusuit of very thick, soft grips.
Another route is to increase the weight of your bar end weights. I've ridden with mine removed and they cut out a LOT of vibration. I saw an even heavier universal aftermarket set today in a local bike shop...maybe you should try that. Or tape lead to your stock bar ends and do a quick test. If it works for you, you could weld the right amount of weight onto the bar ends.
I know how numbness ruins the riding experience. I hope you solve it.
I'm saying that radically retraining yourself to keep the weight off your wrists has lots of benefits.
I was going numb too, until I did this retraining.
You could test your cushy grips theory by temporarily making yours cushier with foam wrap and duct tape. If that works, then it would be worthwhile for you to go in hot pusuit of very thick, soft grips.
Another route is to increase the weight of your bar end weights. I've ridden with mine removed and they cut out a LOT of vibration. I saw an even heavier universal aftermarket set today in a local bike shop...maybe you should try that. Or tape lead to your stock bar ends and do a quick test. If it works for you, you could weld the right amount of weight onto the bar ends.
I know how numbness ruins the riding experience. I hope you solve it.
OB_Dirty Pete
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200 miles is the magic number for me, too.
Maybe the gel seat will buy us another 200 miles before bum ache sets in.
I'm keeping an eye on Bob's thread named "Finally IN!"
Maybe the gel seat will buy us another 200 miles before bum ache sets in.
I'm keeping an eye on Bob's thread named "Finally IN!"
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It's the computer ignoramus here. Do I have to do something special to open EssexBoy's posted image?
OB_Malcolm
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Well I did add SUPER BIKE grips to my busa.
I took off the stock one, took the throttle slider (whatever) off the bar then gentlely ground off all the bumps Suzuki but there off. Now it fits great and the next pair I put on, will just slip right on.
I took off the stock one, took the throttle slider (whatever) off the bar then gentlely ground off all the bumps Suzuki but there off. Now it fits great and the next pair I put on, will just slip right on.
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Dirty Pete
Thanks for the tips, My hands were going numb too....
Thanks for the tips, My hands were going numb too....
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Great thread, Pete...
I think I need to add a how to page on the little smiley faces...
"monkey butt" is pretty good, too
I used the Pro Grips that have all of the inverted dimples (holes?) in them and they are sticky, cushy and were great on the two bikes I've used them on. I haven't tried for the Busa yet, but I'm glad that some people have seen that it does work.
As for the riding on the wrists, that is something I learned from another rider a while back and he (and Pete) are 100% correct on this...you have to retrain yourself, but it's possible even after MANY years of riding. The GenMar bar risers help with doing this as well...that way you're not trying to maintain such an angled seating position. Give it a try, guys...
BigDog
I think I need to add a how to page on the little smiley faces...
"monkey butt" is pretty good, too
I used the Pro Grips that have all of the inverted dimples (holes?) in them and they are sticky, cushy and were great on the two bikes I've used them on. I haven't tried for the Busa yet, but I'm glad that some people have seen that it does work.
As for the riding on the wrists, that is something I learned from another rider a while back and he (and Pete) are 100% correct on this...you have to retrain yourself, but it's possible even after MANY years of riding. The GenMar bar risers help with doing this as well...that way you're not trying to maintain such an angled seating position. Give it a try, guys...
BigDog
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