Dont run from the Cops

[Commuta_Busa]

gee it didn't take long for another cop thread even after the warning

it was nice knowin' ya

 

[djsin]

its a shame really....

 

[Mr Bogus]

if the guys had stopped, they would get a ticket, maybe arrested..

Instead, they run, someone gets killed and a thread like this starts.. Does not matter who died IMO..

fact that anyone would defend the "runners" by any stretch just amazes me... (and then blame the cop on top of it... )

Oh well... got a new cell phone today..

 

[shadetree57]

if the guys had stopped, they would get a ticket, maybe arrested..

Instead, they run, someone gets killed and a thread like this starts.. Does not matter who died IMO..

fact that anyone would defend the "runners" by any stretch just amazes me... (and then blame the cop on top of it... )

Oh well... got a new cell phone today..

Do you know how to work it yet?

 

[yjblitz]

First things first preyers and best wishes to the officers fam. .....now I dont think anyone is defending the runner or runners for that matter but why chase a person on a bike if not looking for the rush of the hunt(the chase) over a speeding ticket not a rapist , killer, bank robber,ect. ,ect. a speeder what it all comes down to is the fight or flight syndrome Im not bashing anyone but everyone there should have used better judgement

 

[doomsday]

First things first preyers and best wishes to the officers fam. .....now I dont think anyone is defending the runner or runners for that matter but why chase a person on a bike if not looking for the rush of the hunt(the chase) over a speeding ticket not a rapist , killer, bank robber,ect. ,ect. a speeder what it all comes down to is the fight or flight syndrome Im not bashing anyone but everyone there should have used better judgement

The human bean will sometimes run. No one said it was right but facts are facts. Most people don't walk into a 7-11 with a gun and the intention to rob the place. The fact, is bad decisions have consequenses. Don't get out of your limitations of skill and training. If you have better choices than adrenaline rush balls to the wall then use your head and training.
The radio is a powerful tool and if it's not enough then back off leave it to someone down the road and go home and tuck the wife and kids in. It's all about going home and that goes for the idiots that decide to run.
Running without someone chasing is kinda like playing hide and seek by yourself.... it gets really old really quick and most people find something else to do.
Racing skills need to stay on the track. Chasers know your skill limitations and realize you're not the only one.
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[Liltroy]

My prayers to the officers family.
That said, I still dont understand the whole vehiclular manslaughter thing. The officer CHOSE to chase after him rather than just calling ahead(the smart thing to do). I'm not defending the runner or bashing the officer(definately wouldnt be prudent in this situation) but there has to be a line where someone takes responsibility for their own actions. So if I judge all encounters by this charge, then the next time I park somewhere and dont put enough change in the meter and it expires, and the little meter maid comes running across the street to ticket my vehicke and gets hit by a bus...does that mean I get charged with vehicular manslaughter? Sorry, I just dont get it???

 

[ibified]

My prayers to the officers family.
That said, I still dont understand the whole vehiclular manslaughter thing. The officer CHOSE to chase after him rather than just calling ahead(the smart thing to do). I'm not defending the runner or bashing the officer(definately wouldnt be prudent in this situation) but there has to be a line where someone takes responsibility for their own actions. QUOTE]


No, the officer didnt CHOSE to chase. he CHOSE to do the job he is paid to do. Sorry, but to me, running from the cops is a bad decision. Period. If you're breaking the law by speeding, pull over, take whats coming like an adult, and get on with your life. By running, you endanger yourself, the officers whos job it is to pursue you, and anyone else who happens to share the road with you. I bet that a lot of folks would sing a different tune if, instead of this ending with the cop dying, it would have ended with the rider and his motorcycle imbedded into the minivan your wife and kids just got killed in.

 

[doomsday]

My prayers to the officers family.
That said, I still dont understand the whole vehiclular manslaughter thing. The officer CHOSE to chase after him rather than just calling ahead(the smart thing to do). I'm not defending the runner or bashing the officer(definately wouldnt be prudent in this situation) but there has to be a line where someone takes responsibility for their own actions. So if I judge all encounters by this charge, then the next time I park somewhere and dont put enough change in the meter and it expires, and the little meter maid comes running across the street to ticket my vehicke and gets hit by a bus...does that mean I get charged with vehicular manslaughter? Sorry, I just dont get it???

The laws a funny thing. I think it all depends on who has the job of putting their opinion to it. You think it would be the same straight accross the board but in our nice little free state the government lets the jourisdicial play ping pong. Common sense and facts doesn't have anything to do with the outcome. It's sad when someone is guilty without a shadow and gets off on a misstrial??? WTF. Guilty is Guilty. It is what it is... Right?
I suppose if money is in the mix we're all in the grinder. There's enough of the black and white areas we shouldn't have the grey. Grey is shady underhander and dishonest.
What were we talking about?
I really don't get it either.
I do know too many people are dying from hasty bad decisions.

 

[Liltroy]

My prayers to the officers family.
That said, I still dont understand the whole vehiclular manslaughter thing. The officer CHOSE to chase after him rather than just calling ahead(the smart thing to do). I'm not defending the runner or bashing the officer(definately wouldnt be prudent in this situation) but there has to be a line where someone takes responsibility for their own actions. QUOTE]


No, the officer didnt CHOSE to chase. he CHOSE to do the job he is paid to do. Sorry, but to me, running from the cops is a bad decision. Period. If you're breaking the law by speeding, pull over, take whats coming like an adult, and get on with your life. By running, you endanger yourself, the officers whos job it is to pursue you, and anyone else who happens to share the road with you. I bet that a lot of folks would sing a different tune if, instead of this ending with the cop dying, it would have ended with the rider and his motorcycle imbedded into the minivan your wife and kids just got killed in.

Yes..he CHOSE to engauge in a high speed chase, Like i stated before, he could have simply called ahead(thats why radios are in the car). As I also already stated, I'm not defending the runner by any means, and if he would have plowed into someone and killed them weither it be another officer or a minivan with a family in it, then I would understand the charges. But he didnt...he made absolutely no contact whatsoever with the officer that lost his life, Therefore, I dont understand the vehicular manslaughter. Felony evading, reckless endangerment...those I would understand.

 

[Kamsin]

Im not saying this is right, but in the UK its the Cops that get the blame if anything goes wrong, NO MATTER WHAT. If they chase you and you crash and die, the cops will be at fault. Even if you steal the car or bike your on, its still the same. They even have a rule that if a biker goes over 100 mph they have to abort the chase. They can however still follow with the helicoptor if its around.

I think this country has gone mad,

As for me, yes i would stop, To gain respect you have to show respect.

 

[Projekt]

Im not saying this is right, but in the UK its the Cops that get the blame if anything goes wrong, NO MATTER WHAT. If they chase you and you crash and die, the cops will be at fault. Even if you steal the car or bike your on, its still the same. They even have a rule that if a biker goes over 100 mph they have to abort the chase. They can however still follow with the helicoptor if its around.

I think this country has gone mad,

As for me, yes i would stop, To gain respect you have to show respect.

Interesting perspective.. Seems like I would have something similar to say.

 

[Kainedogg]

Don't think runners care about respect. Primary goal is to evade the law
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[Dino]

My prayers to the officers family.
That said, I still dont understand the whole vehiclular manslaughter thing. The officer CHOSE to chase after him rather than just calling ahead(the smart thing to do). I'm not defending the runner or bashing the officer(definately wouldnt be prudent in this situation) but there has to be a line where someone takes responsibility for their own actions. So if I judge all encounters by this charge, then the next time I park somewhere and dont put enough change in the meter and it expires, and the little meter maid comes running across the street to ticket my vehicke and gets hit by a bus...does that mean I get charged with vehicular manslaughter? Sorry, I just dont get it???

My prayers to the officers family.
That said, I still dont understand the whole vehiclular manslaughter thing. The officer CHOSE to chase after him rather than just calling ahead(the smart thing to do). I'm not defending the runner or bashing the officer(definately wouldnt be prudent in this situation) but there has to be a line where someone takes responsibility for their own actions. QUOTE]


No, the officer didnt CHOSE to chase. he CHOSE to do the job he is paid to do. Sorry, but to me, running from the cops is a bad decision. Period. If you're breaking the law by speeding, pull over, take whats coming like an adult, and get on with your life. By running, you endanger yourself, the officers whos job it is to pursue you, and anyone else who happens to share the road with you. I bet that a lot of folks would sing a different tune if, instead of this ending with the cop dying, it would have ended with the rider and his motorcycle imbedded into the minivan your wife and kids just got killed in.

Care to address his point about the metermaid?

The guy was wrong for running, peeriod. But I do not think he was responsible for the officers death.

 

[ibified]

Didnt bother to address the meter maid issue because thats comparing apples and oranges. Sorry.

 

[Dino]

Didnt bother to address the meter maid issue because thats comparing apples and oranges. Sorry.

How so? If the time on the meter had not expired the metermaid would not have had to cross the street leading to her getting hit by a bus. It the individual had not been speeding the officer would not have chased him leading to his losing control of his car. Right?

 

[ibified]

Well, i guess i gotta explain this on a 2nd grade level for you then:

Was the meter maid crossing the street illegally (ie jaywalking)? was the bus running a light? Also, the initial crime (parking t an expired meter) was not escalated by the person who parked there trying to run from the meter maid.


Come on now, think this one through...I dont mean to flame you, but really, they arent the same thing at all.

 

[Dino]

Well, i guess i gotta explain this on a 2nd grade level for you then:

Was the meter maid crossing the street illegally (ie jaywalking)? was the bus running a light? Also, the initial crime (parking t an expired meter) was not escalated by the person who parked there trying to run from the meter maid.


Come on now, think this one through...I dont mean to flame you, but really, they arent the same thing at all.

If she is crossing (jaywalking) to do her job how could it be any more illegal than a police officer SPEEDING to apprehend a suspect?

I am not condoning the running, again that was wrong the point is that the officer assumes risk and has other, safer options at hand. If those options are excluded then the officer must also assume the responsibility. I do not think the person who ran is responsible for the officers death, albeit tragic and unnecessary.

 

[ibified]

Speeding by a police officer is not breaking the law, last time i checked. Sorry to put yet another hole in your argument. As for the meter maid, yeah, jaywalking is still jaywalking. Plus, you didnt address the part about your parking violator escalating things by running. Starting to see the big picture yet?

 

[Dino]

Speeding by a police officer is not breaking the law, last time i checked. Sorry to put yet another hole in your argument. As for the meter maid, yeah, jaywalking is still jaywalking. Plus, you didnt address the part about your parking violator escalating things by running. Starting to see the big picture yet?

How is speeding by an officer different from jaywalking by an officer issuing a parki g ticket? A crime is a crime we are discussig how the officer choose to fight the crime.
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