EV vehicles

[Oz22]

That being said, I still believe that auto companies don't sink billions of dollars into a technology which works and then throws it away...

Well you'd think that, in a normal world, where things are rational. Did you know that the ICE manufacturers were being punished, to the tune of billions in carbon taxes? It's one reason I believe that the big players started their EV programs. Another is simple marketing, their image as innovative EV developers did wonders for sales of all vehicles and especially stock prices. Very much like what we saw in the 1990's where companies rebranded themselves .com even thought they had little or nothing to do with internet sales. It saw their stock prices soar as people believed they were innovative companies joining the "New" wave, the transition to IT.

2 or 3 billion in R&D is nothing for a big mob like Ford or BMW, VW. A tax write-off that gave them greenie points. Here, not a commonly known fact

Tesla’s Carbon Credit Revenue Soars to $2.76 Billion Amid Profit Drop​

January 30, 2025 Tesla’s profits took a hit in 2024, dropping 23%. But one revenue stream kept surging—carbon credit sales. The carmaker reached a new record in selling regulatory credits, recording a 54% jump from 2023. As the EV market evolves and emissions rules tighten, can Tesla keep profiting from carbon credits? Many analysts once predicted that Tesla’s carbon credit windfall would shrink as other automakers ramped up EV production. In 2020, then-CFO Zachary Kirkhorn warned investors against relying too heavily on regulatory credit revenue... ttps://carboncredits.com/teslas-carbon-credit-revenue-soars-to-2-76-billion-amid-profit-drop/

It's a convoluted system where Tesla earns credits for being green and sells them to non-green manufacturers for a huge profit. If the ICE makers can't show they have credits they get heavy penalties. It's all part of a scheme to force BB, into an EV

 

[Bumblebee]

Well you'd think that, in a normal world, where things are rational. Did you know that the ICE manufacturers were being punished, to the tune of billions in carbon taxes? It's one reason I believe that the big players started their EV programs. Another is simple marketing, their image as innovative EV developers did wonders for sales of all vehicles and especially stock prices. Very much like what we saw in the 1990's where companies rebranded themselves .com even thought they had little or nothing to do with internet sales. It saw their stock prices soar as people believed they were innovative companies joining the "New" wave, the transition to IT.

2 or 3 billion in R&D is nothing for a big mob like Ford or BMW, VW. A tax write-off that gave them greenie points. Here, not a commonly known fact

Tesla’s Carbon Credit Revenue Soars to $2.76 Billion Amid Profit Drop​

January 30, 2025 Tesla’s profits took a hit in 2024, dropping 23%. But one revenue stream kept surging—carbon credit sales. The carmaker reached a new record in selling regulatory credits, recording a 54% jump from 2023. As the EV market evolves and emissions rules tighten, can Tesla keep profiting from carbon credits? Many analysts once predicted that Tesla’s carbon credit windfall would shrink as other automakers ramped up EV production. In 2020, then-CFO Zachary Kirkhorn warned investors against relying too heavily on regulatory credit revenue... ttps://carboncredits.com/teslas-carbon-credit-revenue-soars-to-2-76-billion-amid-profit-drop/

It's a convoluted system where Tesla earns credits for being green and sells them to non-green manufacturers for a huge profit. If the ICE makers can't show they have credits they get heavy penalties. It's all part of a scheme to force BB, into an EV

There's no doubt there's some sort of profitable kick back to everything unfortunately........and to think Tesla is profiting from this is far from surprising....

Too bad that such things get in the way of technological breakthroughs......IF EV became more viable, I could see them being a good alternative for city dwellers....maybe.....or places with a temperate climate......it would be nice if India or Pakistan would embrace more EV......you can cut the air in their cities with a knife....

 

[Red05]

I have an el cheapo plug in electric leaf blower that is awesome.....

I only use it around the garage and to blow the snow off my vehicles and water when I wash them in the summer and for that it works great....

Even a few of my neighbors went out and bought the same inexpensive model to blow off their vehicles after seeing me use mine.

Another neighbor has a battery powered grass trimmer and he bought another battery because after 2 summers the original wasn't able to last for half his trimming needs...

I can’t use a plug in blower; I’m on 2/3rds of an acre with a lot of mature trees and flower beds. That neighbor should have bought a 40v Kobalt weedeater. It’s the best tool I own. I weedeat for about an hour and a half a week and the battery is going on 4 years of running the trimmer, chain saw, pole saw and push mower. It’s a 5ah battery and it kicks butt.

 

[Bumblebee]

That neighbor should have bought a 40v Kobalt weedeater. It’s the best tool I own. I weedeat for about an hour and a half a week and the battery is going on 4 years of running the trimmer, chain saw, pole saw and push mower. It’s a 5ah battery and it kicks butt.

I think his is a 40v Dewalt........

 

[Red05]

I think his is a 40v Dewalt........

I’m anal about only charging the battery when it’s down to one indicator light, and keeping the charger and battery indoors. A lot of people don’t follow manufacturer’s directions and then complain when things go poorly.

 

[Bumblebee]

I’m anal about only charging the battery when it’s down to one indicator light, and keeping the charger and battery indoors. A lot of people don’t follow manufacturer’s directions and then complain when things go poorly.

I do the same with my battery powered equipment (drills, impacts, etc). My little 18v batteries have a pretty good life....

As this neighbor is a young guy who has little experience with anything powered, I imagine his battery doesn't get looked after properly.....

 

[Oz22]

I have an el cheapo plug in electric leaf blower that is awesome.....

Too right, electricity off the mains is the best way as long as the cord reaches. Here we had a mains, 240V, mower that used basically whipper snipper line and floated on an air cushion. It was a pain on sloping yards though. I have two commercial gas leaf blowers and 3 Ryobi 18V ones. One rechargeable, the weakest, is upstairs to blow off the front and back balconies, the serious one is for the garage area and a couple of the downstairs rooms -easier than a vacuum- but the Gas ones are for the yard, driveways and street.

Rattle guns, nail guns, small metal grinders, they are better on Lipo than compressor or mains I recon. I have come to the logical conclusion that there is an practical upper limit on the size of the motor that lends itself to conversion over to rechargeable electric. Go beyond that and the downsides outweigh the benefits. To me the 750W~1500W bicycle is that limit, but even they are a novelty unless you use pedal assist, human power to augment the battery. I don't! And my trips are limited or hills avoided. All the limitations to batteries start when you go mobile.

 

[Oz22]

I do the same with my battery powered equipment (drills, impacts, etc). My little 18v batteries have a pretty good life....

As this neighbor is a young guy who has little experience with anything powered, I imagine his battery doesn't get looked after properly.....

I met a lawn mowing contractor on the side of the road once and had a chat. I chat with a lot of people like that, you really get the inside dope. Anyway he was All Electric, mowers, blowers, hedgers the lot. He was a total greenie and suss on the engine emissions from Gas. made sense when i thought of it, working 8 hours a day with an exhaust pipe 2 or 3 feet from your face wouldn't be good for your health. Even push mowers, they blow the exhaust out in front, and what does it do? Billows up in your face of course.

His clients were Greenies too and prepared to pay extra and that because it took him a lot longer to do the job. Not an issue around the home, but a liability for a contractor. He only did small yards and down by the river where the homes were expensive and the people could pay. You should have seen his battery collection, a dozen and more 36V packs, half of them plugged into a big fast charger that was plugged into a big inverter plugged into a big truck battery that was connected to his vehicle's alternator. I never saw another like him, they all use Gas machines. I bought two 8Ah 18V batteries six months ago to replace some 6Ah ones I had that were dying. They were only 4 or 5 years old too, and I'd keep them at around 50% charge level when not in use. The replacements were not cheap but the higher voltage packs are outlandish! I don't the price of mine, but it's not like a Gas tool where you can just turn it off and forget it for 6 months.

This is a trusted site down here

Ryobi 36V 5.0Ah Battery reviews

Ryobi 36V 5.0Ah Battery (Electronic): 1.7 out of 5 stars from 45 genuine reviews on Australia's largest opinion site ProductReview.com.au.

www.productreview.com.au

A typical comment: Battery barely used and died: Probably recharged 30x over 4 years and now won’t operate. Contacted ryobi and they say that’s it’s expected life. Absolutely useless.

That's a pretty common experience... You have to be a real "believer" to go all in with this stuff.

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[Bumblebee]

I met a lawn mowing contractor on the side of the road once and had a chat. I chat with a lot of people like that, you really get the inside dope. Anyway he was All Electric, mowers, blowers, hedgers the lot. He was a total greenie and suss on the engine emissions from Gas. made sense when i thought of it, working 8 hours a day with an exhaust pipe 2 or 3 feet from your face wouldn't be good for your health. Even push mowers, they blow the exhaust out in front, and what does it do? Billows up in your face of course.

His clients were Greenies too and prepared to pay extra and that because it took him a lot longer to do the job. Not an issue around the home, but a liability for a contractor. He only did small yards and down by the river where the homes were expensive and the people could pay. You should have seen his battery collection, a dozen and more 36V packs, half of them plugged into a big fast charger that was plugged into a big inverter plugged into a big truck battery that was connected to his vehicle's alternator. I never saw another like him, they all use Gas machines. I bought two 8Ah 18V batteries six months ago to replace some 6Ah ones I had that were dying. They were only 4 or 5 years old too, and I'd keep them at around 50% charge level when not in use. The replacements were not cheap but the higher voltage packs are outlandish! I don't the price of mine, but it's not like a Gas tool where you can just turn it off and forget it for 6 months.

This is a trusted site down here

Ryobi 36V 5.0Ah Battery reviews

Ryobi 36V 5.0Ah Battery (Electronic): 1.7 out of 5 stars from 45 genuine reviews on Australia's largest opinion site ProductReview.com.au.

www.productreview.com.au

A typical comment: Battery barely used and died: Probably recharged 30x over 4 years and now won’t operate. Contacted ryobi and they say that’s it’s expected life. Absolutely useless.

That's a pretty common experience... You have to be a real "believer" to go all in with this stuff.

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Our nations capital went green and changed all their lawn equipment to battery....and they have a lot of grass to cut each and every day in the summer.....it got so much that they had to hire a few people to shuttle drained batteries to replace with fresh ones....and some of these are for zero turns and are big batteries......

Sometimes these units need 4 battery swap outs per day......if one adds the exorbitant cost of the battery zero turns and mowers (leaf blowers, trimmers) and then add in the cost of many extra batteries and wages for a bunch of people running around with replacement batteries, you could buy a lot of mowing equipment and fuel far cheaper.....