GEN 2 TI FORCE 4-2-1-2 vs. STOCK

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Before and after - all SAE numbers. A 2009 Gen 2 . . . stock, it pulled 167.78 rwhp and 98.37 ft pounds torque. Add a Ti Force 4-2-1-2 titanium exhaust, some Ecu editor work, PCV powercommander, custom tuned: 193.53 rwhp at 116.47 ft pounds of torque. A gain of 25.75 rwhp and 18.1 ft. pounds. Peak torque hit at 7,100 rpm. Keep in mind these are SAE numbers . . . this bike should honk and this customer should feel a slight difference . . . :laugh:

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WOW, that's more hp than most shops can get from a head and cam package if in fact tuned on pump gas ???... This would infact surpass any 2 hp difference in a bolt on and go Akrapovic pipe... Ti Force Stock will rise for sure now.....That bike or pipe had to be built on a wednesday..:rofl: I'm almost having a state farm moment, Order Yours Today... A 50 shot of nitrous and your looking at turbo power, wow....Congrats to the owner of the first ever seen 25 hp pump gas tiforce pipe change/tuned Gen 2 in the world...
 
Brilliant , absolutely brilliant. I have the ti force 4 x 2 full titanium with a pcV on my 2011 gen 2. But i am running the stock pcv ti force map. Wish I could send in my bike for a custom tune . I live on the far end of the otherside of the pond. Is it possible for me to use the same map as the one you have tuned for the above bike and have similar gains ?
 
I've read before that Powerhouse and 2 other top tuners say, that they can get just as much power tuning air/fuel with a PowerCommander as they can with Ecu editor. Obviously you used both on this bike.
I also don't doubt your claims.
I'm just curious as to why.
If you can control all 8 injectors with Ecu Ed, and only 4 with a PC; as well as have to buy a PC for something that Ecu Ed can already do, then why?
What is the benefit and the difference?:beerchug:
 
sixpack577 said:
I've read before that Powerhouse and 2 other top tuners say, that they can get just as much power tuning air/fuel with a PowerCommander as they can with Ecu editor. Obviously you used both on this bike.
I also don't doubt your claims.
I'm just curious as to why.
If you can control all 8 injectors with Ecu Ed, and only 4 with a PC; as well as have to buy a PC for something that Ecu Ed can already do, then why?
What is the benefit and the difference?:beerchug:
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IMHO, the powercommander is quicker and WAY more accurate than plodding "cell by cell" through Ecu Editor and waiting while the software loads every little change. I spend less time and get straighter fuel curves at every throttle percentage with the pc using the advanced software available to us. Less time on the dyno, and a better map. This is a tuner's preference. Once you find a reputable tuner, go with whatever that person suggests. Cheaper is not always better, again, IMO.

As far as controlling 4 injectors as opposed to 8: 1.) You don't need eight injectors to supply sufficient fuel on a normally-aspirated Gen 2, it is done easily and with no drama with the 4 primary injectors, and 2.) take a look at the injector balance map in Ecu Editor for the Gen 2: what do you think that is about? The Gen 2 injector balance map progressively turns off the primaries while at the same time bringing in the secondaries. There is no time when all eight injectors are "on" at 100% capacity, nor is that ever necessary.

With that said, POWERHOUSE does use Ecu Editor for all the other great things that can be changed and/or modified to benefit that particular bike's setup. Ecu Editor is a great tuning asset, one of the best things to come down the road in a long time.

Lastly, in regard to the 25 rwhp gain we saw here - stock, the bike's peak hp occured at 9,200 rpm and after our work, peak hp arrived at 10,200 rpm. On the dyno, we are more concerned with the gains than we are with the numbers themselves; pulling less than 168 rwhp stock shows how bad this bike was to begin with. It started out as a Monday bike, and ended up a Wednesday bike . . . . . .:rofl:
 
Thank you sir!
That makes perfect sense, I just needed someone qualified to spell it out for me.:laugh:
 
bigron said:
Brilliant , absolutely brilliant. I have the ti force 4 x 2 full titanium with a pcV on my 2011 gen 2. But i am running the stock pcv ti force map. Wish I could send in my bike for a custom tune . I live on the far end of the otherside of the pond. Is it possible for me to use the same map as the one you have tuned for the above bike and have similar gains ?
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Yes, it is possible, but every bike is different. That is why POWERHOUSE will never use a "canned" generic map.:laugh:
 
Finally got my bike back and what can I say the bike runs 100% better and pulls alot harder. I am waiting for some warmer weather to give it a hard run.Service from Frank at Powerhouse was top notch and I will keep you informed on a better test weather permitted. Thanks again to Frank! :thumbsup:
 
I got 196 with mine.. Akrapovic pipe, Ti Force pipe and Brock's CT pipe have same headers.. do your research people.. :laugh:
 
bigreef said:
I got 196 with mine.. Akrapovic pipe, Ti Force pipe and Brock's CT pipe have same headers.. do your research people.. :laugh:
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Reefman - I wouldn't be surprised if you got 196 - post the chart and lets see if those are SAE numbers. BTW, Ti Force WAS made in Japan, Brock's pipes are made by Hindle, and the last I checked, Akrapovic was made in Slovenia. Most of these exhausts are 4 into 1; the Ti Force 4 into 2 into 1 into 2 is actually an "X" pipe - something a company called Murray Headers used to do back in the 70s. Apparently it works, since Ti Force's 4-2-1-2 actually puts down more horsepower than their 4 into 1. They are not the same headers at all . . .:whistle:
 
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