GEN 3 OEM HEADER
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The 'black' ones aren't black either.
I forget what the finish is called, but it's almost like color change paint, it changes depending on lighting an angle.
I like them too.
I like the look of cf, but really prefer them for so little heat radiating off of them.
I forget what the finish is called, but it's almost like color change paint, it changes depending on lighting an angle.
I like them too.
I like the look of cf, but really prefer them for so little heat radiating off of them.
I added the picture of the slip on with the stock heat shield in place to show how odd it looks...
The "black" ones looked like black chrome to me.
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"Onyx".
On their video is looks to be a transparent black coating.
Yeah, I saw that M4 earlier, it's pretty fugly.
And you could get a set for the Bumblebee...we know where you can get a header now.
Sell the full single to make up for alot of the cost
Although they'd look outstanding on the old gal, I'll stick to what I've got....Yeah, I saw that M4 earlier, it's pretty fugly.
And you could get a set for the Bumblebee...we know where you can get a header now.
Sell the full single to make up for alot of the cost
I'll just have to live vicariously though all you guys...
I'm seriously trying not to order a BW header and set of cf Akropovic slipons right now.
Stash em while they're available!
Along with a few other things.
I bought a new Raptor 700 on 9-11-20...and had a workbench full of parts waiting on it when I got it home...it took me months to finally find one! lol
But, the majority of those parts(and 700's)are still hard to come by now.
Trying to be smart and grown-up though...which is why the gen3 isn't at my house yet, lol.
Stash em while they're available!
Along with a few other things.
I bought a new Raptor 700 on 9-11-20...and had a workbench full of parts waiting on it when I got it home...it took me months to finally find one! lol
But, the majority of those parts(and 700's)are still hard to come by now.
Trying to be smart and grown-up though...which is why the gen3 isn't at my house yet, lol.
Delkevic replied and said their headers are 38mm o.d.
With a 1mm wall thickness.
With a 1mm wall thickness.
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My Gen2 Winter Mods diary | Busa Mods
Thought I'd add this here as a diary of my winter mods I'm doing.. I have a fair bit of stuff to do / fit and setup.. Today I got the Black Widow "new" design headers delivered. It's been a long time since I've played with bike headers, so I haven't much to compare against. But the build and...
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First hand experience!
I was leaning towards the BW because of the H pipe anyway.
I'm going to call BW and ask them their o.d/i.d of their downpipes; unless you happen to know?
Here's your factory exhaust slip on report.
The GEN I diameter exhaust tubing at the rear most slip on mid pipe connecting point, is 42 mm outside diameter, and if you subtract 3 1/4 mm of tubing thickness, that gives you 38.75mm ID. All Things considered. The flange point where the mid pipe connects to the rear most tubing has an expanded sleeve of 48.25 mm.
So essentially you could take the mid pipe of a GEN I, and slide it onto the rear most exhaust tubing on a GEN II, or Gen III exhaust at 48.25 mm.
The GEN III exhaust has a butt sleeve of 52 mm in diameter which holds the muffler from going any farther down the exhaust. The GEN three exhaust on the other hand has 48.25 mm tubing outside diameter, With all things being the same in tubing thickness, giving you 45 mm worth of internal diameter exhaust tubing. That gives you a 5.5 mm difference on internal diameter between a GEN I, and a GEN III.
The difference between a GEN I and a GEN II and a GEN III is the GEN III muffler connects directly to the exiting pipe coming out of the catalytic converter. It has no mid pipe to connect the muffler to the header.
We also know that the diameter of the tubing coming out of the Gen III motor at the exhaust flange is 37 mm outside diameter. I do not believe you have 3 1/4 mm worth of tubing thickness at this part of the header simply because there's no weight being born by the muffler connection. I need to get into the manual and find out what the exhaust valve diameter is, which would then give us a rough idea of what the exit pressure is going to be.
So basically any header that fits a GEN II will fit a Gen III with similar tubing diameters. If you try to bolt a Gen I aftermarket header to a later model motor, you're restricting exhaust flow and robbing top end.
Six pack, Marty, has inquiries into several aftermarket exhaust manufacturers for Gen II exhaust systems so we can match aftermarket slip ons from any manufacture to particular GEN two headers. With a small amount of modification and a second 02 sensor location you can run just about any combination.
Which means we take someone's header, with the right diameter tubing we can bolt Akrapović, Yoshimura, Brocks, whomever onto a modified Gen II header from a generic manufacturer.
I'm going to put an inquiry in with max torque cans to see what their diameter tubing is as their exit points diameters and locations look very similar to a standard GEN II, GEN III header.
Cheers.
The GEN I diameter exhaust tubing at the rear most slip on mid pipe connecting point, is 42 mm outside diameter, and if you subtract 3 1/4 mm of tubing thickness, that gives you 38.75mm ID. All Things considered. The flange point where the mid pipe connects to the rear most tubing has an expanded sleeve of 48.25 mm.
So essentially you could take the mid pipe of a GEN I, and slide it onto the rear most exhaust tubing on a GEN II, or Gen III exhaust at 48.25 mm.
The GEN III exhaust has a butt sleeve of 52 mm in diameter which holds the muffler from going any farther down the exhaust. The GEN three exhaust on the other hand has 48.25 mm tubing outside diameter, With all things being the same in tubing thickness, giving you 45 mm worth of internal diameter exhaust tubing. That gives you a 5.5 mm difference on internal diameter between a GEN I, and a GEN III.
The difference between a GEN I and a GEN II and a GEN III is the GEN III muffler connects directly to the exiting pipe coming out of the catalytic converter. It has no mid pipe to connect the muffler to the header.
We also know that the diameter of the tubing coming out of the Gen III motor at the exhaust flange is 37 mm outside diameter. I do not believe you have 3 1/4 mm worth of tubing thickness at this part of the header simply because there's no weight being born by the muffler connection. I need to get into the manual and find out what the exhaust valve diameter is, which would then give us a rough idea of what the exit pressure is going to be.
So basically any header that fits a GEN II will fit a Gen III with similar tubing diameters. If you try to bolt a Gen I aftermarket header to a later model motor, you're restricting exhaust flow and robbing top end.
Six pack, Marty, has inquiries into several aftermarket exhaust manufacturers for Gen II exhaust systems so we can match aftermarket slip ons from any manufacture to particular GEN two headers. With a small amount of modification and a second 02 sensor location you can run just about any combination.
Which means we take someone's header, with the right diameter tubing we can bolt Akrapović, Yoshimura, Brocks, whomever onto a modified Gen II header from a generic manufacturer.
I'm going to put an inquiry in with max torque cans to see what their diameter tubing is as their exit points diameters and locations look very similar to a standard GEN II, GEN III header.
Cheers.
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Thought I'd add this here as a diary of my winter mods I'm doing.. I have a fair bit of stuff to do / fit and setup.. Today I got the Black Widow "new" design headers delivered. It's been a long time since I've played with bike headers, so I haven't much to compare against. But the build and...www.hayabusa.org
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Thanks Spudley!!!
If anyone finds a manufacturer that would give us a "group buy run"- Id be down.
ottafish
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Held up really well. Had to sand a little off at places for them to 'slip' together. COuld def notice the heat reduction too. I did it on both the BW and the Delk. The BW also allows filter change without dropping the oil line which I sadly miss.
The only difference between these two and say my Akro is that both of these have the same dia all the way through. Whereas the Akro and the Yosh I assume has a stepped section from the head flanges for about 6"
After checking Black Widow to see how well the gen2 pipe will work...better news.
A gen3 4 into 2 header will be released soon!!!
A gen3 4 into 2 header will be released soon!!!
This with whatever slipons works for me!
Thank you sir.
You're the first person of many that I've talked to who actually had ceramic coating done to their pipes...and knows motorcycles.
So now I'm willing to have it done.
A good day all around trying to figure out dual exhaust options!
Spud's gonna talk with Max Torque about what gen3 stuff is in the works.
They have some nice gen2 cf mufflers too.
They have some nice gen2 cf mufflers too.
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