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Gen3 - couldn't be more disappointed
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Tenderfoot
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Gen1-no driver aids, Gen2-ABS, Gen3-just about every safety feature you can think of. There is nothing wrong with the Gen3's safety upgrades, it's just that I would have preferred more power out the box over them.
For the 13 year wait they really dropped the ball the new styling is ok could've been way better. They honestly should've added all these electronics around when they did the abs or a lil after. I understand about the power due to epa regulations, but for this long of a wait kind of a rip off though when 1000ccs are making the same power and are lighter
It's funny because I sort of thought the rider aids enabled more power to be used safely. Yes, a Busa can go very fast but to be honest, almost any bike can reach 100 mph and a crash at that speed is going to make a big ask of your guardian angels. Seems ironic to get more rider aids and less power?
Edit: I don't see rider aids as making something inherently dangerous safe. They allow us average people to access more of the bike's potential without as high of a risk (track or street).
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It's interesting in my 10-year anniversary build I designed the scheme based on the right side. I was thinking the right and left sides would be mirrored. Then I realized the Kanji is directional and looks like poop on the reverse side. It was crazy because I started looking at Suzuki press and the bike was always shown from the right side. So on this new Gen 3, looks like Suzuki still hasn't figured out how to handle the left side kanji, lol!
Anyway, the Gen 3 is a very sophisticated update. Trust me, I studied this bike very closely for several months when developing a paint scheme and I am impressed with what Suzuki has done aesthetically. As for the rest of the bike here's where I am:
Looks: I love how my paint job turned out but the new bike is really good. The subtle shaping Suzuki has done to the bike is masterful - looks like a Busa but they shaved off the odd bumps and bulges left over from the more brutal generations. I would get rid of the trim and chrome though even before I bought a pipe! Chrome on a non-HD bike? Really?
Handling: I'll stick with my full Ohlins. I assume my CoreMoto wheels are lighter than the Gen 3 OEM's, although they look proper. Wonder if I can transfer those?
Weight: My Gen 2 is lighter
Engine: I'll take a free-revving Gen 2 motor for now. Until I see someone unlock the Gen 3 (and it's worth it) I'll stick with what I know. Frankly, I'm skeptical.
Comfort: Not sure about that one. But with heli bars and Corbin seat, the Gen 3 ergos would have to be a real improvement to be better than my current combination.
Electronics: I like what Suzuki has done here and I think the dash is a bit of genius. The TFT on my BMW is the best in the business, but this dash is dam good IMHO. I also like rider aids and would not buy a new bike without them. Interesting though, I can get all of the electronics on my Gen 2 except the ABS with something like the GripOne S4 for $1,200 and no big alterations to the bike. As for ABS, not sure that will be better than the Brembo GP4's as the progressive feel of these calipers is like manual ABS.
The bottom line is I don't think there is enough of an advantage moving to the Gen 3 for me at this point. For what it would cost to get into a Gen 3 I could make my current Gen 2 just about anything I want (cams, turbo, supercharger, etc.) and I would have a lot of money left over.
Anyway, the Gen 3 is a very sophisticated update. Trust me, I studied this bike very closely for several months when developing a paint scheme and I am impressed with what Suzuki has done aesthetically. As for the rest of the bike here's where I am:
Looks: I love how my paint job turned out but the new bike is really good. The subtle shaping Suzuki has done to the bike is masterful - looks like a Busa but they shaved off the odd bumps and bulges left over from the more brutal generations. I would get rid of the trim and chrome though even before I bought a pipe! Chrome on a non-HD bike? Really?
Handling: I'll stick with my full Ohlins. I assume my CoreMoto wheels are lighter than the Gen 3 OEM's, although they look proper. Wonder if I can transfer those?
Weight: My Gen 2 is lighter
Engine: I'll take a free-revving Gen 2 motor for now. Until I see someone unlock the Gen 3 (and it's worth it) I'll stick with what I know. Frankly, I'm skeptical.
Comfort: Not sure about that one. But with heli bars and Corbin seat, the Gen 3 ergos would have to be a real improvement to be better than my current combination.
Electronics: I like what Suzuki has done here and I think the dash is a bit of genius. The TFT on my BMW is the best in the business, but this dash is dam good IMHO. I also like rider aids and would not buy a new bike without them. Interesting though, I can get all of the electronics on my Gen 2 except the ABS with something like the GripOne S4 for $1,200 and no big alterations to the bike. As for ABS, not sure that will be better than the Brembo GP4's as the progressive feel of these calipers is like manual ABS.
The bottom line is I don't think there is enough of an advantage moving to the Gen 3 for me at this point. For what it would cost to get into a Gen 3 I could make my current Gen 2 just about anything I want (cams, turbo, supercharger, etc.) and I would have a lot of money left over.
15k miles on an sx and sxse and triple figures, mileage wise on hayabusa G1, G2 and zx14s.You're just quoting a tech card, I'm talking about actual real world results and tests. If we're splitting hairs the 206 rating is with ram-air, 197hp without like a Gen-2. What's the torque difference...
Seat of pants torque differential, 60-70%.
Stock.
A lot more gear changing on the sx.
Again, no substitute for cubes.
At least you have both and can find some sanctity on the Hayabusa after having to ride the Kwacker....
I am pro motorcycle just would only own a Suzuki...I've owned them all but have always been a Suzuki guy I guess.
It seems they are continuing the platform.....
I'd much rather ride a supercharged Hayabusa, than ride a Kawasaki any day of the week. I never thought much of their design, or durability.
Does it change my decision ?, uhh...no.
June gets a day closer everyday !.
Look at the date on that article...2011.....Euro 5 has come since then and that will be the choke point on new platforms....
If I were to guess, Suzuki probably planned a gen 3 Hayabusa long ago but since Euro 5 came along, it made no economical sense to do so......
This article is a little newer and more aligned with the current situation. Same as the Hayabusa, first it got discontinued in Europe, then the rest of the world.
Kawasaki ZX-14R To Be Discontinued In Europe - Adventure Rider
Kawasaki has announced that the ZX-14R (a.k.a. ZRX1400) hyper tourer's days are numbered. The hyper tourer will be discontinued in European markets in 2020.
advrider.com
Tetsuo1000
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No doubt one of the best!
Tenderfoot
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That was my original point. But no problems as I understand what you're saying.
I agree....
I'd wager if a stock gen 1 or gen 2 were lined up on a road with the gen 3, the gen 3 would easily hold it's own or even pull ahead....just the quick shifter makes a huge difference....
Having the electronics will allow real world use of the power on the gen 3...
What is a stock Gen 1 or 2? Lol!
That's probably what Suzuki was figuring on by making the gen 3 what it is.
Hey hey...hey!
I had a few requests to park in in the Louvre Museum.Of the hundreds of thousands of Busas sold, @jellyrug has the only one that is still stock!
Right next to the original Mona Lisa.
I will put that in my will.
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