Gen3 - couldn't be more disappointed

[Bumblebee]

A stock 2022 Hayabusa might even make more power than a H2SX SE...

Don't know honestly....they are supposed to be putting out over 200 hp at the crank stock...more than a gen 2 Hayabusa

You would have to put a stock gen 3 on the exact dyno as this video to be fair.

2019 - 2021 Kawasaki Ninja H2 SX SE+

Kawi's supercharged hyper-tourer lets the fiery-eyed peg draggers share with a friend

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[JeffSyh]

Don't know honestly....they are supposed to be putting out over 200 hp at the crank stock...more than a gen 2 Hayabusa

You would have to put a stock gen 3 on the exact dyno as this video to be fair.

2019 - 2021 Kawasaki Ninja H2 SX SE+

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Yah I'd more interested in pure 1/4 times over dyno, every dyno is different with different ambient Temps sea level etc. Dyno is great for modding and tuning to find your before and after under the same conditions.

 

[Bumblebee]

Yah I'd more interested in pure 1/4 times over dyno, every dyno is different with different ambient Temps sea level etc. Dyno is great for modding and tuning to find your before and after under the same conditions.

I don't even know what a realistic number is..

Bikes are limited in top speed so that number is irrelevant, 1/4 mile times are subjective to tires, wind, humidity, etc, 0-60 times are subject to the same variables....roll on tests are subject to rider weight and aerodynamics as well as tire warmth, etc....

They would have to be equally tested under the exact same variables for most of this to work..I do know that hp figure (166) for an H2SX SE seems awfully low and unrealistic based on the bike having over 200hp at the crank...if a gen 2 Hayabusa was putting out that kind of number, I'd be suspect of the dyno.

I guess the base numbers from the factory are accurate as they are held to a certain standard across the industry...or are they?

 

[JeffSyh]

I don't even know what a realistic number is..

Bikes are limited in top speed so that number is irrelevant, 1/4 mile times are subjective to tires, wind, humidity, etc, 0-60 times are subject to the same variables....roll on tests are subject to rider weight and aerodynamics as well as tire warmth, etc....

They would have to be equally tested under the exact same variables for most of this to work..I do know that hp figure (166) for an H2SX SE seems awfully low and unrealistic based on the bike having over 200hp at the crank...if a gen 2 Hayabusa was putting out that kind of number, I'd be suspect of the dyno.

I guess the base numbers from the factory are accurate as they are held to a certain standard across the industry...or are they?

Take both bikes out of a box with their shipped tires and stick them on the same track at the same time same rider.

 

[Bumblebee]

Take both bikes out of a box with their shipped tires and stick them on the same track at the same time same rider.

That's the only way and I hate to admit it but the Kawasaki will be out front...there is a reason Kawasaki isn't pursuing the ZX14R any longer-the H2 has replaced it and the SXSE is a great sport touring platform.

 

[Got-Busa?]

I think you're confusing the H2 and the H2SX. Both are HEAVILY restricted for Euro5 like most everything out right now...

160's box stock!

Do some research on the bikes and cost to mod them. Dollar for dollar, Busa is a better platform...

 

[Bumblebee]

I think you're confusing the H2 and the H2SX. Both are HEAVILY restricted for Euro5 like most everything out right now...

160's box stock!

Do some research on the bikes and cost to mod them. Dollar for dollar, Busa is a better platform...

Nope, not confusing them....the link I already posted is about the SX SE model. We are talking right out of the box and no mods...the H2SX SE wins hands down....

With enough money and know how you can mod almost any bike to a crazy level of performance-almost to an useable level in some cases.....

2019 - 2021 Kawasaki Ninja H2 SX SE+

Kawi's supercharged hyper-tourer lets the fiery-eyed peg draggers share with a friend

www.topspeed.com

 

[Got-Busa?]

Nope, not confusing them....the link I already posted is about the SX SE model. We are talking right out of the box and no mods...the H2SX SE wins hands down....

With enough money and know how you can mod almost any bike to a crazy level of performance-almost to an useable level in some cases.....

You'll have to share some links or details because performance wise, there isn't a single category the Busa doesn't win including MPG...

..box stock...

 

[WuzzaCBXRider]

I guess we can all agree on one thing. The Gen3 is certainly good for the forum

 

[Bumblebee]

Someone on this forum owns one-nice if they could pipe up and mention how it is working out for them..

Not a whole lot on the subject..

I've read the H2SXSE gets 41mpg and the Hayabusa gets 42mpg....not a huge gain...
The H2SXSE is 576lbs and the Hayabusa is 586lbs
The H2SXSE is 209 crank hp and the Hayabusa is 197 crank hp

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[Got-Busa?]

Someone on this forum owns one-nice if they could pipe up and mention how it is working out for them..

Not a whole lot on the subject..

I've read the H2SXSE gets 41mpg and the Hayabusa gets 42mpg....not a huge gain...
The H2SXSE is 576lbs and the Hayabusa is 586lbs
The H2SXSE is 209 crank hp and the Hayabusa is 197 crank hp

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You're just quoting a tech card, I'm talking about actual real world results and tests. If we're splitting hairs the 206 rating is with ram-air, 197hp without like a Gen-2. What's the torque difference...

 

[Dopey]

You're just quoting a tech card, I'm talking about actual real world results and tests. If we're splitting hairs the 206 rating is with ram-air, 197hp without like a Gen-2. What's the torque difference...

I was gonna ask cause i wasn't sure but I thought that kawi always adds their ram air numbers to their hp numbers. Just wasn't sure of they did that with the h2 with its supercharger.

 

[Bumblebee]

You're just quoting a tech card, I'm talking about actual real world results and tests. If we're splitting hairs the 206 rating is with ram-air, 197hp without like a Gen-2. What's the torque difference...

Heck, what else do we as end users have to quote??

There are a few videos out there but are not really relevant as most are the H2 vs Hayabusa and not the H2SXSE.

The torque values are much lower of course.

Kawasaki designed this bike to be an actual sport tourer and to not really compete in this segment as it replaces the Concours. It has as much or more hp than a Hayabusa, has hard bags, and a more relaxed riding position for slightly more money.

We are talking about modifying a bike (which isn't in the hands of the public yet) to compete with a Kawasaki bike already getting long in the tooth.

Kind of like the reversal of the Hayabusa saga whereas many other bikes had to be modified to compete with it. Goes to show the great engineering that went into it in the first place.

 

[jch364]

That's the only way and I hate to admit it but the Kawasaki will be out front...there is a reason Kawasaki isn't pursuing the ZX14R any longer-the H2 has replaced it and the SXSE is a great sport touring platform.

So I keep seeing this about Kawasaki canceling the zx14r but I have seen no evidence of this. The 2022 models are now out. When was this supposed to happen and what is the source of it?

 

[Bumblebee]

So I keep seeing this about Kawasaki canceling the zx14r but I have seen no evidence of this. The 2022 models are now out. When was this supposed to happen and what is the source of it?

Same source as everyone else gets, the internet...is it a reality?? Obviously not for now but there are many, many sites saying it is....

Kawasaki to discontinue ZX-14R by end of 2020 - Motorcycle News

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[Got-Busa?]

So I keep seeing this about Kawasaki canceling the zx14r but I have seen no evidence of this. The 2022 models are now out. When was this supposed to happen and what is the source of it?

2022's?

I have only seen 2021's as the last year in the US but who knows for sure. It's been done in other countries..

 

[mark3evo]

yes it is a reality only a few 2020 models left over in the UK , when they have gone they have gone

not Euro5 compliant and H2SX is the replacement here

 

[Jza]

Exactly! The same people complaining about no supercharger or H2 killer are the same ones complaining about the price...

Ok so bore it out or do SOMETHING after 14 years to bring it in line... but no... same bike but more restrictive... totally shameful and I for one won’t be enabling Suzuki to cost cut by buying one... the brand is dead to me and yet I live and breathe my Gen 2!!!

 

[Got-Busa?]

Heck, what else do we as end users have to quote??

There are a few videos out there but are not really relevant as most are the H2 vs Hayabusa and not the H2SXSE.

The torque values are much lower of course.

Kawasaki designed this bike to be an actual sport tourer and to not really compete in this segment as it replaces the Concours. It has as much or more hp than a Hayabusa, has hard bags, and a more relaxed riding position for slightly more money.

We are talking about modifying a bike (which isn't in the hands of the public yet) to compete with a Kawasaki bike already getting long in the tooth.

Kind of like the reversal of the Hayabusa saga whereas many other bikes had to be modified to compete with it. Goes to show the great engineering that went into it in the first place.

Many bikes don't make the claimed power on the dyno due to Euro5. Look at the new CBR1000RR-R. Euro spec is 214hp and the US spec is neutered to almost nothing...

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Ok so bore it out or do SOMETHING after 14 years to bring it in line... but no... same bike but more restrictive... totally shameful and I for one won’t be enabling Suzuki to cost cut by buying one... the brand is dead to me and yet I live and breathe my Gen 2!!!

They've already said it's faster and better in everyway over a Gen-2 so what's the issue? Everyone really worked up about the peak HP rating? What super mods have you done to your bike and what speed records have you set?

 

[moko]

Kawasaki always discontinues a model when upgrading...they are coming out with a ZX15,so 14 is stopping prod.