Ghetto vs. Velocity

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I am nearly ready to buy the kit and i noticed that they are now the same price.(4K) this is a big factor in which i choose as these things aint cheap... both claim around the same hp and reliablility so i would like to hear from anyone who knows which is the better buy?

things i have noticed, velocity seems to be an easier install with pre cut hoses and such, comes with computer so thats a plus and they have a web site with tech support.

Ghetto systems, well i frankly dont know much about. no web site besides sh.org. to help with the install. both systems seem to be similar in popularity on the boards. themotorhead is kinda hard to get info out of. so could someone point me in the right direction! thanks!

Matt
 
not too sure on the diff btwn the two, but I've heard more about Velocity. Ghetto...I'm not too sure.

You may wanna check with Ninja Eater or Stunnah....and Doc Busa. I don't know if Madlyhs ran a ghetto set-up, but it won't hurt to ask.

Just FWIW....
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(bajabug @ May 03 2005 said:
I am nearly ready to buy the kit and i noticed that they are now the same price.(4K)  this is a big factor in which i choose as these things aint cheap...  both claim around the same hp and reliablility so i would like to hear from anyone who knows which is the better buy?  

things i have noticed, velocity seems to be an easier install with pre cut hoses and such, comes with computer so thats a plus and they have a web site with tech support.

Ghetto systems, well i frankly dont know much about.  no web site besides sh.org.  to help with the install.  both systems seem to be similar in popularity on the boards.  themotorhead is kinda hard to get info out of.  so could someone point me in the right direction!  thanks!

Matt
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Show me a velocity kit with a computer for $4K.
 
Velocity stage 1 is $3999. It has NO computer and makes about 250-260 hp as setup and mapped.

Ghetto is $3999. It has NO computer and makes about 250-260 hp as setup and mapped. Ghetto also has an external wastegate which Velocity COULD upgrade your stage one kit BUT it would cost an extra $650.

The full exhaust system offered on the velocity stage one kit is 2 1/4" OD piping which will choke your turbo bad.
Ghetto kit comes with a dump pipe and offers a 2.5" OD piped exhaust system for an extra $400.
 
motorhead will provide the ultimate in customer tech support. Call him ANYTIME and he will answer any questions. on sh.org in the turbo section at the top.. there is an installation sticky almost step by step.
 
Velocity stage 1 is $3999. It has NO computer and makes about 250-260 hp as setup and mapped.

Ghetto is $3999. It has NO computer and makes about 250-260 hp as setup and mapped. Ghetto also has an external wastegate which Velocity COULD upgrade your stage one kit BUT it would cost an extra $650.

The full exhaust system offered on the velocity stage one kit is 2 1/4" OD piping which will choke your turbo bad.
Ghetto kit comes with a dump pipe and offers a 2.5" OD piped exhaust system for an extra $400. [/QUOTE]

That there is the basic diffrence between the Kit S4L makes good points on all fronts. Now some of the diffrences i have noticed since i just went through the turbo purchase

Major Price diffrence is this though

Ghetto stage one can be easily upraded to stage 2 by adding the neccisary componets
Velocity stage one has to be taken off sold and then a stage 2 package purchased

This here is a major factor if you feel your gona want more power down the road which in any case you may need to go into the motor as well but stages ones are fine on stock motor


Ghetto air cleaner fits behind Body work
Velocity a hole has to be cut in body work

Ghetto you remove your oil cooler from what i have seen
*correct me if i'm wrong*
Veloicty you can keep your oil cooler.

Ghetto turbo is mounted slightly higher so less chance of oil flow back into housing
Velocity is slightly lower so more chance of oil flow back into houseing espcially on higher oil levels
This happens only when shut off and sitting

Well i think that covers some of the extras them few points will also make think about your decision My biggest conflict was between the air filter and the oil cooler issues
 
thanks for correcting me i must have confused the computer map with an actual computer. about how many of these kits has themotorhead sold? i do want a dump pipe so +1 for ghetto, donot want the air cleaner sticking out+2. well i am leaning twoards ghetto as of yet, any velocity guys out there?

How often are you guys serviceing your turbos? blades bearings and such? thanks again
 
I have the Velocity Stage 1 street system...It was installed by Kevin "SUPERKAOS"...I had some problems with the bike that were not related to the system got it all worked out now and the "STUNGUN" is running...

The point I would like to make is that you need to do as much research as you can bare...I'm not mechanically inclined so working thru issues with the bike can be a labor for me...

Velocity offers either the full exhaust or the dump which ever you choose...If you want both you can have them for an additional $250.00...The reason the stage 1 street comes with an internal wastegate (as explained to me) is to keep the owner from pushing the bike beyond the limits of a stock engine...Makes sense...

I've had great success in Kevin answering any and all questions...Either by email or phone...It's easier for me to communicate by email so I can read what I'm saying verse the phone which makes it apparent that I don't know what the hell I'm talking about...

Depending on what you want and how much money your willing to spend either of these kits will get you there and their both tops in the service area...

But you also need to remember that either of these kits have the potential of having a problem...

Are you doing the install yourself or do you have someone competent to do it for you???It's a little more to it than swapping out a header...

I am very happy with my setup and look forward to many miles of boosted fun...
 
(STUNNAH @ May 03 2005 said:
Velocity offers either the full exhaust or the dump which ever you choose...If you want both you can have them for an additional $250.00...The reason the stage 1 street comes with an internal wastegate (as explained to me) is to keep the owner from pushing the bike beyond the limits of a stock engine...Makes sense...
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As said the full exhaust is crap 2 1/4" air choking waste of cash. I too owned the velocity stage one kit WITH the exhaust (I ordered with the idea it was 2.5" My mistake completely of course)

Tell Kevin he is full of crap about the internal wastegate concept. There is a little rod that adjusts and will allow the owner to make more boost. MANY people have tried and made 12+ lbs of boost through internal wastegate systems which will definitely toast any motor if not done correctly. They did it because of cost PERIOD.

Its strange the ghetto kits came out and took off and then Velocity suddenly knocked $1000 of most of their kits in order to compete. BUT NLR didn't. Andersson didn't.
 
BTW Velocity and ghetto will both allow you to use your oil cooler. BUT I have no clue if extreme slamming(lowering) of your bike will cause it to be hit by your front tire.
 
so if money was no option and if tearing into the motor was fine, what is the maximum cost for the ultimate Ghetto Kit and motor build but still run pump gas. And can you run pump gas make a few adjustments and choose race fuel if need be?
Basically just would like to get a ballpark on the best bullet proof kit/motor that would produce the biggest hp gains.......8k? 9k with install/tune?
 
i will be doing the install myself, from what it i can tell i belive i will be able to do it myself with out much hassle. it is interesting that the other kits didnot lower to compete..

now i gotta get rid of a car and im set!
 
Velocity kit all the way. I started with the stage 1 and now am having a complete motor built to handle the high boost with the stage 2 kit. Lay the parts out and they are basically the SAME. Its not the kit, its who you have install and tune it. Velocity kits are great, as I am sure the Ghetto kits are. Yes the ghetto is easier to upgrade if thats what your plans are. I have had 0 issues with my kit, other than me tinkering and breaking a hose loose. I dyno'd 261 corrected hp at 6lbs of boost, which was plenty at the time.

Its just a matter of choice
 
(paineless4u @ May 03 2005 said:
so if money was no option and if tearing into the motor was fine, what is the maximum cost for the ultimate Ghetto Kit and motor build but still run pump gas. And can you run pump gas make a few adjustments and choose race fuel if need be?
Basically just would like to get a ballpark on the best bullet proof kit/motor that would produce the biggest hp gains.......8k? 9k with install/tune?
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ghetto kit or ultra kit?

Ghetto kit maxed out is like ballpark $7500 I believe. That is:

kit with secondary fuel system (computer) $6400
full exhaust $400
BOV $400
+ shipping.

Should put ya high 300's on pump. Low 400's on race.

Then you need rods, head bolts, gaskets, spacer and valve springs. I recommend you put turbo pistons in while you're splitting cases but TMH says its not necessary. That puts you ballpark $9K without labor or shipping charges.

My question to anyone wanting to go to this extreme is the "why not" theory. If you just blew $9k why not go big bore with the turbo? Add another grand. If you have 400 hp why not undercut your tranny and put higher ratio 5th and 6th gears in? add another $1200-1300. Upgrade clutch? $200-1600. List is endless.
 
What if you did not want a full Exhaust, say something to come under the bike then break off into a Y to do a Dual exit exhaust?
 
redone and then retuned? Explain? I figured remapping with anything like that would be a given. but explain the other an backpressure problems???



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(FAKK2 @ May 03 2005 said:
redone and then retuned? Explain? I figured remapping with anything like that would be a given. but explain the other an backpressure problems???
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S4L is right. If you want an exhaust like that, do it when doing the install, map the bike with that exhaust on it and you will be ok. You just cant make a change that drastic after the bike has been mapped with a different exhaust and not retune/map it.
 
I knew remapping would be a must. Just was not sure if something so radical as the exhaust set up, would be ok or have to use a single can rather than wnating a dual can setup.



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(suzuki4life @ May 03 2005 said:
(paineless4u @ May 03 2005 said:
so if money was no option and if tearing into the motor was fine, what is the maximum cost for the ultimate Ghetto Kit and motor build but still run pump gas. And can you run pump gas make a few adjustments and choose race fuel if need be?
Basically just would like to get a ballpark on the best bullet proof kit/motor that would produce the biggest hp gains.......8k? 9k with install/tune?
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ghetto kit or ultra kit?

Ghetto kit maxed out is like ballpark $7500 I believe. That is:

kit with secondary fuel system (computer) $6400
full exhaust $400
BOV $400
+ shipping.

Should put ya high 300's on pump. Low 400's on race.

Then you need rods, head bolts, gaskets, spacer and valve springs. I recommend you put turbo pistons in while you're splitting cases but TMH says its not necessary. That puts you ballpark $9K without labor or shipping charges.

My question to anyone wanting to go to this extreme is the "why not" theory. If you just blew $9k why not go big bore with the turbo? Add another grand. If you have 400 hp why not undercut your tranny and put higher ratio 5th and 6th gears in? add another $1200-1300. Upgrade clutch? $200-1600. List is endless.
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thats what I needed to know, thanks. I think 300 on pump, low 400 on race fuel is perfect. I figured it would be upwards of 10k when all was said and done. Not sure about the big bore though, but tranny work and very good clutch I have to factor in. I have been waiting till I came back stateside to do anything with the motor for lack of a good tuner out here. Thanks for the good info.
 
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