Good Laugh.. alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

[fallenarch]

I think you should volunteer to manage the next green UHS project Arch.

Linky below

Califonia Bullet Train

That article is precisely the point Jelly. Countries all over the world are doing this. We have the studies showing how it can work. But Gov is bogging it down and crushing progress.

 

[Mr Brown]

vuuawwywaww7 x


So compromise is a place between two extremes. What the right has succeeded in since the rise of the Tea Party is to establish the radical right position. Bill Clinton was decidedly centrist and Obama was also fairly centrist leaning. This means that most compromises landed somewhere between the middle and the right. What Bernie showed is that there was heavy support in this country for a radical left position. AOC is pushing that to the next level and trying to start the debate on the far left, rather than the far right. I think this is a clever move and quite bold. The right has not addressed climate change in any meaningful way because it is not consistent with their far-right agenda. Their solution is to ignore the consequences and ultimately use military suppression and diversion to hold things together. AOC has put a marker down saying there is another way and established a far-left starting point for the debate.

Obamacare is more popular than any political figure or group now. Turns out people didn't want to get rid of it they wanted to get more aggressive with it. In Germany, there is virtually no residential power now - it's all solar. That's Germany, a place not know for sunny skies! We have huge deserts in the southwest that could produce tons of energy. Our country was made for sun & wind power.

A lot of the conventional thinking is based on shaky premises, we're at the point where we are going to have to start questioning our norms. Like her or not Pelosi is a genius. In exchange for her getting voted in as speaker, she allowed a certain amount of Dems to vote against her and agreed to let these more radical proposals to get aired. Get them in front of people and see if there can be any traction. That's also why McConnel put it to a vote, so Senators would have to take a stand before the public gave the GND a thumbs up or down. Some very skilled politics are at work here, and AOC is not behind all of it.

The GND is a non-starter. AOC can bleat about it just like Trump bleats about his wall, but you see how that's working out.....
Governance cannot be executed without compromise, unless it's in a totalitarian state. Talking about questioning norms is great for cocktail parties and internet forums, but the harsh reality is that power is entrenched and those that have it aren't letting go of it.
Green energy for example, it gets little traction in congress because it doesn't have the funding the fossil fuel industry has, and that's what gains influence.
We talk about changing things, but voter apathy is rampant. The last presidential election turnout was what, a little above 30%? That means twice as many people didn't bother to vote as did.
There are indeed far better ways to do most things in this country, but until we find a way of doing so which benefits those currently in control, nothing is going to change.

 

[Mr Brown]

That article is precisely the point Jelly. Countries all over the world are doing this. We have the studies showing how it can work. But Gov is bogging it down and crushing progress.

Careful Willie, you're starting to sound like a Reagan Republican.....

 

[RedBull]

I am gonna be in favor of
paying off our 2 Trillion $ debt
before we reinvent ourselves .


If we can not pay our debt ,
we would not need to
go fast on trains .

 

[ali123]

Yeah all that education and they think they have the answers. And we owe them something now. Oh yeah and if we don't pay them 116K a year they don't work. Cuz they are worth it in their mind.

lol.. I agree... some people are soooo far behind in the race.... they actually think they are leading.

 

[Mr Brown]

I'm gonna be in favor of paying off our 22 Trillion $ debt before we reinvent ourselves. If we can't pay our debt, we won't need to go fast on trains.

Would you accept a reduction in defense spending as a method of paying that off?

 

[ali123]

Would you accept a reduction in defense spending as a method of paying that off?

NO.... REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR

 

[Mr Brown]

NO.... REMEMBER PEARL HARBOR

Pearl harbor didn't occur due to a lack of military spending.

 

[ali123]

Pearl harbor didn't occur due to a lack of military spending.

lil joke.... but we need a gooooood strong military in case China decides to get cute... and we have to Tyson her.

 

[TallTom]

Would you accept a reduction in defense spending as a method of paying that off?

If you'd accept a reduction in entitlements.

 

[TallTom]

lil joke.... but we need a gooooood strong military in case China decides to get cute... and we have to Tyson her.

Nah.....China........that's a myth. :sarcasm emoji:

Remember love wins out over hate. If we just love China everything will be alright Ali. :Re-insert Sarcasm Emoji:

 

[fallenarch]

TallTom, If you want to be conservative about it. The constitution says explicitly to support the general health and welfare for the population. At the time remember, plagues were the weapons of mass destruction. The founders were weary about too much military. Eisenhower even warned of a military industrial complex.

 

[fallenarch]

oops.

 

[ali123]

oops.

it doesn't say we should support a mother of 7 kids and buy her a new iPhone and pay her rent.... while her boyfriend makes his money in the underground economy and drives a Benz...… ask me how I know this stuff.

 

[fallenarch]

Nah.....China........that's a myth. :sarcasm emoji:

Remember love wins out over hate. If we just love China everything will be alright Ali. :Re-insert Sarcasm Emoji:

Seems that's Trump's approach. We're buddies, don't worry! Same with N. Korea. We spend a ton on military, it was more than everyone put together. Now that Trump has destabilized all of the treaties holding the world together (NATO, Our best Allies, Iran Treaty, IMF, Global Warming ) an arms race has started again. That's going to cost a fortune.

 

[ali123]

Seems that's Trump's approach. We're buddies, don't worry! Same with N. Korea. We spend a ton on military, it was more than everyone put together. Now that Trump has destabilized all of the treaties holding the world together (NATO, Our best Allies, Iran Treaty, IMF, Global Warming ) an arms race has started again. That's going to cost a fortune.

at some point... we are gonna have to throw down anyway... I know it sucks... but its just how humans interact.

 

[fallenarch]

it doesn't say we should support a mother of 7 kids and buy her a new iPhone and pay her rent.... while her boyfriend makes his money in the underground economy and drives a Benz...… ask me how I know this stuff.

Ha Ha. Ali123 I know you are street-wise bro. You are worried about a baby-mama stealing $30K a year when some fat cat is stealing trillions. Wake up bro. That's the oldest street scam in the book.

 

[ali123]

Ha Ha. Ali123 I know you are street-wise bro. You are worried about a baby-mama stealing $30K a year when some fat cat is stealing trillions. Wake up bro. That's the oldest street scam in the book.

but arch... at some point the TAKERS are gonna out number the GIVERS... the bottom will fall out at some point.

 

[Mr Brown]

If you'd accept a reduction in entitlements.

As long as those entitlements include ones extended to corporations, absolutely. Corporate welfare costs this country far more than individual welfare.

 

[TallTom]

Seems that's Trump's approach. We're buddies, don't worry! Same with N. Korea. We spend a ton on military, it was more than everyone put together. Now that Trump has destabilized all of the treaties holding the world together (NATO, Our best Allies, Iran Treaty, IMF, Global Warming ) an arms race has started again. That's going to cost a fortune.

Ummmm...Really?

You might want to ask China how them tariffs are making them feel all lovey dovey.

Yes we spend more than everyone else. Who does the free world ask to help them in times of military need? Do we charge them for these little favors? Until we do, we have to pay for it somehow. Trump pulled out of NATO because very few countries paid the agreed to cost to participate in the pool. We paid WAY over the minimum as a way to help keep it together. NATO was held together by fewer nations but they all had decent economies. Then the USSR fell and we included these new nations that have no economy to basically provide them some welfare money to use their old bases etc. They receive NATO funds but didn't spend much of it on military infrastructure. They did spend it on everything else though. I'm tired of being the piggy bank that never oversees our investments that we supposedly made.