Guesses on rear wheel power after...?

GEN3 i say the same as my mapped Gen2 and free flow exhaust
195 rwhp 113 lbft

Gen3 has mild cams

Considering 1441 Gen2 can make 210 rwhp and 122 lbft - I say this you cannot beat CUBES
(de-catted Mapped zx14r 1441 214hp and 124 lbft)

I agree, this bike is running 187 at the crank so there would have to some big improvements to get it over 200 at the tire...

My bike with a full Yosh system, K&N, Bazzaz made 186hp at the tire and that's the usual list of mods for most people I figure..
 
this is why 1441 is so impressive..... my map ( Akrapovic) overlaid with a mapped zx14r

it says 197 ? , but ACTUALLY mine is 195 this is DIN so would be 192 SAE
But you get the massive difference in torque and power

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Think the people saying the Gen3 Is suddenly going to be ‘a beast’ once the exhaust is taken off and it’s flashed are going to be seriously disappointed... it’s the same engine (bar the huge 2% more low down grunt) as the Gen 2 so expect 187 to 192 rear wheel hp with a full system. Aka still left for dead
by ‘modern’ thou’s.

The Busa us dead... Suzuki just turned it into a rapid sports tourer.. so sad...
 
Think the people saying the Gen3 Is suddenly going to be ‘a beast’ once the exhaust is taken off and it’s flashed are going to be seriously disappointed... it’s the same engine (bar the huge 2% more low down grunt) as the Gen 2 so expect 187 to 192 rear wheel hp with a full system. Aka still left for dead
by ‘modern’ thou’s.

The Busa us dead... Suzuki just turned it into a rapid sports tourer.. so sad...

I'd disagree. Busa still has the strongest aftermarket support of any bike and as long as that continues it'll be around for a long time.

The latest liter bikes are great if you are a small rider and only plan on basic mods and bolt-on's. Anyone that's really going fast or wants an all around streetbike still turns to a Busa to accomplish the mission.
 
I'd disagree. Busa still has the strongest aftermarket support of any bike and as long as that continues it'll be around for a long time.

The latest liter bikes are great if you are a small rider and only plan on basic mods and bolt-on's. Anyone that's really going fast or wants an all around streetbike still turns to a Busa to accomplish the mission.
Used to be... but 187bhp and 264kg this day and age doesn’t even cut it compared to modern thou’ machinery... I get that you want to believe it isn’t so but physics doesn’t lie I’m afraid.
 
Used to be... but 187bhp and 264kg this day and age doesn’t even cut it compared to modern thou’ machinery... I get that you want to believe it isn’t so but physics doesn’t lie I’m afraid.
Correct
The physics Are indeed immutable.
Want to be blown around and deafened by wind roar whilst perched uncomfortably on a super stiff race replica that everyman and his dog know that you cannot possibly do justice to, then buy a modern thou'

Want an iconic bike that is comfortable, heavy enough to iron out uneven road surfaces, can take a pillion plus luggage,engine built to last forever or take a 1000bhp and won't be out of fashion next year..
 
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Used to be... but 187bhp and 264kg this day and age doesn’t even cut it compared to modern thou’ machinery... I get that you want to believe it isn’t so but physics doesn’t lie I’m afraid.

Physics don't lie, that's why all the records are still held by a Busa.....

By all means buy what you like, at least we all still have that FREEDOM!
 
Used to be... but 187bhp and 264kg this day and age doesn’t even cut it compared to modern thou’ machinery... I get that you want to believe it isn’t so but physics doesn’t lie I’m afraid.
So what exactly makes these modern liter bikes so much faster? I know they are lighter than a busa with similar power, sometimes more. Is it possible the modern engineering that went into the head/cams? I've never been one to base an opinion on a motorcycle from out the box specs alone. Since my first bike I've always looked up parts to upgrade one way or another, looks, performance, accessories etc. Do you think with the slightly lightened rotating assymbly, reworked head and cams, aftermarket exhaust and a good tune will put the busa where it needs to be to compete with liter bikes?
 
So what exactly makes these modern liter bikes so much faster? I know they are lighter than a busa with similar power, sometimes more. Is it possible the modern engineering that went into the head/cams? I've never been one to base an opinion on a motorcycle from out the box specs alone. Since my first bike I've always looked up parts to upgrade one way or another, looks, performance, accessories etc. Do you think with the slightly lightened rotating assymbly, reworked head and cams, aftermarket exhaust and a good tune will put the busa where it needs to be to compete with liter bikes?
I think it's utterly pointless comparing a road legal racing bike with an out and out, two seater sports Tourer.
One is small,light, nimble and fast, the other big, heavy and not designed to be as nimble or as track fast. Instead of this endless, tedious comparison of horsepower and the lack of competitiveness of the G3, let's ask why can't a sports bike take a pillion And hard panniers?
The hayabusa can.
Why is a sports bike so relatively uncomfortable to ride all day on the motorway or for extended periods of time?
The hayabusa isn't.
Why do sports bikes, and other sports tourers such as the h2sx, have such poor torque low down?
The hayabusa doesn't.
Why don't sports bikes have bigger fairings and screens to help keep the rain and wind off?
The hayabusa has.
Why don't sports bikes hold any drag or LSR records?
The hayabusa does.
Etc etc
 
I think it's utterly pointless comparing a road legal racing bike with an out and out, two seater sports Tourer.
One is small,light, nimble and fast, the other big, heavy and not designed to be as nimble or as track fast. Instead of this endless, tedious comparison of horsepower and the lack of competitiveness of the G3, let's ask why can't a sports bike take a pillion And hard panniers?
The hayabusa can.
Why is a sports bike so relatively uncomfortable to ride all day on the motorway or for extended periods of time?
The hayabusa isn't.
Why do sports bikes, and other sports tourers such as the h2sx, have such poor torque low down?
The hayabusa doesn't.
Why don't sports bikes have bigger fairings and screens to help keep the rain and wind off?
The hayabusa has.
Why don't sports bikes hold any drag or LSR records?
The hayabusa does.
Etc etc
I agree....
 
I think it's utterly pointless comparing a road legal racing bike with an out and out, two seater sports Tourer.
One is small,light, nimble and fast, the other big, heavy and not designed to be as nimble or as track fast. Instead of this endless, tedious comparison of horsepower and the lack of competitiveness of the G3, let's ask why can't a sports bike take a pillion And hard panniers?
The hayabusa can.
Why is a sports bike so relatively uncomfortable to ride all day on the motorway or for extended periods of time?
The hayabusa isn't.
Why do sports bikes, and other sports tourers such as the h2sx, have such poor torque low down?
The hayabusa doesn't.
Why don't sports bikes have bigger fairings and screens to help keep the rain and wind off?
The hayabusa has.
Why don't sports bikes hold any drag or LSR records?
The hayabusa does.
Etc etc
The Hayabusa is a victim of it's own success....it held a certain reputation for many years and when that reputation is at jeopardy, emotions are high.

Everyone knows what is possible but I think there are many who wanted a completely new bike. There was so much lead up to the launch of the gen 3, it gave lots of time to dream of what it could be.

With many of the points which you described, the Hayabusa would require modifications much the same as this new rendition of the bike.
 
The Hayabusa is a victim of it's own success....
Well put. During a time fighting for alpha position of the hyperbikes, the Hayabusa took the crown. Then fended off the Kawasaki as long as it could. We’ve been waiting for the big comeback, but instead got a great well rounded modernized euro5 compliant gen2. Was it a financial crisis that squashed the big changes? Is a factory turbo kit in the works? Who knows. I had 6 bikes before my 08 Busa. I had her for 7 years and I’ve had 7 bikes since selling in 2014. I was so excited/ dissatisfied at the same time with the gen3 release. For the price, your socks should be blown off.
For what it’s worth, I have a 2020 ZX10 and they are rated at 200hp and make a little under 170rwhp. A flash and mid pipe swap, that removes the cat/premuffler, brings the ponies to 190rwhp.

BTW, this my first post in forever!
 
I think it's utterly pointless comparing a road legal racing bike with an out and out, two seater sports Tourer.
One is small,light, nimble and fast, the other big, heavy and not designed to be as nimble or as track fast. Instead of this endless, tedious comparison of horsepower and the lack of competitiveness of the G3, let's ask why can't a sports bike take a pillion And hard panniers?
The hayabusa can.
Why is a sports bike so relatively uncomfortable to ride all day on the motorway or for extended periods of time?
The hayabusa isn't.
Why do sports bikes, and other sports tourers such as the h2sx, have such poor torque low down?
The hayabusa doesn't.
Why don't sports bikes have bigger fairings and screens to help keep the rain and wind off?
The hayabusa has.
Why don't sports bikes hold any drag or LSR records?
The hayabusa does.
Etc etc
The Pro Street GOAT list has the quickest Busa at #6. Four of the five in front of it are 1k's. The new 1k's have pretty good lower rpm torque. They have continued to develop those engines, unlike the Busa, where they developed excuses instead.
 
So what exactly makes these modern liter bikes so much faster? I know they are lighter than a busa with similar power, sometimes more.
I don't know that they're SO much faster, but often faster in a rollon race. It's been so since I got into this in 2008. I think it has a lot to do with the higher rpm they have always been able to achieve with the smaller motor but obviously there had to be some advances made in other aspects of the 1000 c engines. They make more hp now and they're 75 lbs lighter. If a busa could rev to 13~14k rpm, maybe that would help turn the tables along with some engine changes but I don't see that ever happening. The ZX-14R would have made an engine like that if higher rpm were a practical solution. Instead, we have turbo. Got-Busa? is right, if you really want to go fast, a hyperbike is the answer but the busa needs some work. I wish Suzuki would have taken care of it for us. They do it for their liter bikes, why not their busa?
 
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The Pro Street GOAT list has the quickest Busa at #6. Four of the five in front of it are 1k's. The new 1k's have pretty good lower rpm torque. They have continued to develop those engines, unlike the Busa, where they developed excuses instead.
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The Pro Street GOAT list has the quickest Busa at #6. Four of the five in front of it are 1k's. The new 1k's have pretty good lower rpm torque. They have continued to develop those engines, unlike the Busa, where they developed excuses instead.
I stand corrected re: the Pro Street list.
And as for all the other classes in all other countries..?
The new 1ks do Not have pretty good lower rpm torque. And I have ridden them all. No comparison to a 35% bigger bore.
It's physics.
The G3 arguably Has a new engine.
This itineration of the bike will be distinctive for decades, unlike each new bland 1k.
 
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