Guesses on rear wheel power after...?

[Quiksilver]

I don't know that they're SO much faster, but often faster in a rollon race. It's been so since I got into this in 2008. I think it has a lot to do with the higher rpm they have always been able to achieve with the smaller motor but obviously there had to be some advances made in other aspects of the 1000 c engines. They make more hp now and they're 75 lbs lighter. If a busa could rev to 13~14k rpm, maybe that would help turn the tables along with some engine changes but I don't see that ever happening. The ZX-14R would have made an engine like that if higher rpm were a practical solution. Instead, we have turbo. Got-Busa? is right, if you really want to go fast, a hyperbike is the answer but the busa needs some work. I wish Suzuki would have taken care of it for us. They do it for their liter bikes, why not their busa?

I may have gotten this this thread mixed up with another but I thought someone was saying 1k's nearly stock were walkin modded busas, I could be wrong though. Ive watched videos of na 1ks's walking busa's but never researched why the 1k's make great power. I assumed it was mostly a more efficient head and didn't factor in rpm.

I'm with you on suzuki doing the work for us. It would have been nice to have a 1441 from the factory even if it had the hp figures it has now with zx14ish torque. I think forced induction would have pushed the price to high for most potential buyers. Someone brought up the challenger in another thread. They have different trims for different applications. You can get a super stock with 800 supercharged whining ponies or one can buy a n/a v6 with 300hp. I wish suzuki would have went this route, similar to the h2 and h2r(I know not road legal). I'm sure it would complicate production but I think it would have satisfied more of the bike world.

 

[macka]

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I stand corrected re: the Pro Street list.
And as for all the other classes in all other countries..?
The new 1ks do Not have pretty good lower rpm torque. And I have ridden them all. No comparison to a 35% bigger bore.
It's physics.
The G3 arguably Has a new engine.
This itineration of the bike will be distinctive for decades, unlike each new bland 1k.

okay you are rubbishing the litre bike fair enough do what you think,but my 2012 busa was rubbish in stock form but so was my gixxer k9 chuck the cats and stock exhaust away then compare
i was doing 200kmh wheelies on my k9 litre that bike was a beast, pull the throttle at a 160kmh100mph and she stands on its back wheel, that's a 11year old bike and it had a train load of torque up to 7000rpm then it took off it was just nuts get a busa to do that
Live and ride in a hilly country perfect for the gsxr1000, open country the busa on the other hand is the fast tourer so what do you want to do with the bike, ergos probably same but i toured on the litre bike possibly more fun, comfort wise the busa doesn't offer anymore comfort what makes the bike so different is gixxer light and fun turns on a dime and busa tall gearing and smooth holds lines like a train

 

[prg]

okay you are rubbishing the litre bike fair enough do what you think,but my 2012 busa was rubbish in stock form but so was my gixxer k9 chuck the cats and stock exhaust away then compare
i was doing 200kmh wheelies on my k9 litre that bike was a beast, pull the throttle at a 160kmh100mph and she stands on its back wheel,

Sigh. My case rests.

that's a 11year old bike and it had a train load of torque up to 7000rpm then it took off it was just nuts get a busa to do that
Live and ride in a hilly country perfect for the gsxr1000, open country the busa on the other hand is the fast tourer so what do you want to do with the bike, ergos probably same but i toured on the litre bike possibly more fun, comfort wise the busa doesn't offer anymore comfort what makes the bike so different is gixxer light and fun turns on a dime and busa tall gearing and smooth holds lines like a train

okay you are rubbishing the litre bike fair enough do what you think,but my 2012 busa was rubbish in stock form but so was my gixxer k9 chuck the cats and stock exhaust away then compare
i was doing 200kmh wheelies on my k9 litre that bike was a beast, pull the throttle at a 160kmh100mph and she stands on its back wheel, that's a 11year old bike and it had a train load of torque up to 7000rpm then it took off it was just nuts get a busa to do that
Live and ride in a hilly country perfect for the gsxr1000, open country the busa on the other hand is the fast tourer so what do you want to do with the bike, ergos probably same but i toured on the litre bike possibly more fun, comfort wise the busa doesn't offer anymore comfort what makes the bike so different is gixxer light and fun turns on a dime and busa tall gearing and smooth holds lines like a train

Try all that two up and loaded.
Both types are designed to excel at different things and are not even in the same class. For instance, I ride with a pillion and all the camping gear on the back, hard panniers and a huge tank bag. This cannot be done on a litre.

 

[JeffSyh]

I may have gotten this this thread mixed up with another but I thought someone was saying 1k's nearly stock were walkin modded busas, I could be wrong though. Ive watched videos of na 1ks's walking busa's but never researched why the 1k's make great power. I assumed it was mostly a more efficient head and didn't factor in rpm.

I'm with you on suzuki doing the work for us. It would have been nice to have a 1441 from the factory even if it had the hp figures it has now with zx14ish torque. I think forced induction would have pushed the price to high for most potential buyers. Someone brought up the challenger in another thread. They have different trims for different applications. You can get a super stock with 800 supercharged whining ponies or one can buy a n/a v6 with 300hp. I wish suzuki would have went this route, similar to the h2 and h2r(I know not road legal). I'm sure it would complicate production but I think it would have satisfied more of the bike world.

I think you might be referring to my comment, I'm strictly talking about roll racing not dig. Dig can come down to pure rider abilities most of the racing I do and watch are roll racing. A stretch unopened newer 1L of any brand are extremely quick. I've seen stock WB unopened ducatis beat stretched full bolt on gen 2 busas with weight reduction from 60-180mph.

 

[macka]

Sigh. My case rests.



Try all that two up and loaded.
Both types are designed to excel at different things and are not even in the same class. For instance, I ride with a pillion and all the camping gear on the back, hard panniers and a huge tank bag. This cannot be done on a litre.

well you made it clear that litre bike doesn't have any bottom end and doesn't tour load of crap
i toured all over New Zealand on a k9 litre and more comfortable on the gixxer in the mountains and felt spot on. Its way more safer in traffic and they stop better and turn better so many plusses you dont get with a busa,
So if your putting up a busa as a 2 up tourer vs litre bike 2 up your argument wins every time.
compare it to a 1 up bike touring in my country you;d be choosing the gixxer for a good fun time! the most popular touring bike by far are the bmw gs1200 or gs800s adventure
So sure go for the busa but its not a great tourer or a great sports bike it just fits in the middle, if it had better ergos for long trips but it doesn't
maybe your bike fits perfectly where you ride ,but i also toured in western Australia and forget the busa you would find out it aint a 2 up tourer for that country

 

[prg]

well you made it clear that litre bike doesn't have any bottom end and doesn't tour load of crap
i toured all over New Zealand on a k9 litre and more comfortable on the gixxer in the mountains and felt spot on. Its way more safer in traffic and they stop better and turn better so many plusses you dont get with a busa,
So if your putting up a busa as a 2 up tourer vs litre bike 2 up your argument wins every time.
compare it to a 1 up bike touring in my country you;d be choosing the gixxer for a good fun time! the most popular touring bike by far are the bmw gs1200 or gs800s adventure
So sure go for the busa but its not a great tourer or a great sports bike it just fits in the middle, if it had better ergos for long trips but it doesn't
maybe your bike fits perfectly where you ride ,but i also toured in western Australia and forget the busa you would find out it aint a 2 up tourer for that country

 

[prg]

Re: torque
If you were to compare torque graphs, latest litres v all generation hayabusas, there's the proof.
Re: putting it up as a 2 up tourer
That's the point
It does something a litre can't do
ie carry two people and luggage
No different from 1k fanboys such as yourself, spouting ad nauseum how superior the performance of the litres are, as they should be ,given that's their raison d'etre.
Btw, I lived in
Queensland and toured all over.Proper touring. 2 up and camping.Not jollying around solo with a tailpack.
Load of crap it can't be done in Oz on a hayabusa,because that was what it was on.

 

[Quiksilver]

well you made it clear that litre bike doesn't have any bottom end and doesn't tour load of crap
i toured all over New Zealand on a k9 litre and more comfortable on the gixxer in the mountains and felt spot on. Its way more safer in traffic and they stop better and turn better so many plusses you dont get with a busa,
So if your putting up a busa as a 2 up tourer vs litre bike 2 up your argument wins every time.
compare it to a 1 up bike touring in my country you;d be choosing the gixxer for a good fun time! the most popular touring bike by far are the bmw gs1200 or gs800s adventure
So sure go for the busa but its not a great tourer or a great sports bike it just fits in the middle, if it had better ergos for long trips but it doesn't
maybe your bike fits perfectly where you ride ,but i also toured in western Australia and forget the busa you would find out it aint a 2 up tourer for that country

Do you own a busa bro?

 

[Quiksilver]

I think you might be referring to my comment, I'm strictly talking about roll racing not dig. Dig can come down to pure rider abilities most of the racing I do and watch are roll racing. A stretch unopened newer 1L of any brand are extremely quick. I've seen stock WB unopened ducatis beat stretched full bolt on gen 2 busas with weight reduction from 60-180mph.

I've seen some vids also, it's crazy just how fast liter bikes are. I know the weight difference is big but I'm curious if Suzuki's updated heads and cams be enough to close the gap on other models (once flashed/piped).

 

[Got-Busa?]

The Pro Street GOAT list has the quickest Busa at #6. Four of the five in front of it are 1k's. The new 1k's have pretty good lower rpm torque. They have continued to develop those engines, unlike the Busa, where they developed excuses instead.

Except you aren't getting the full story on that list and current competition for ProStreet. The Busa's have a sevear handicap and restrictions in those classes because they dominated. Go read the rule differences. Hard to dominate when you have one arm and a leg tied behind your back. Maybe that will change with a new bike coming but I don't count on it. It's usually about who has the most money to spend unfortunately....

 

[Got-Busa?]

Are people really upset with factory HP ratings?

1) Everyone mods anyway so....‍

2) Not a SINGLE liter bike makes factory peek numbers stock with a stock ECU. Every one of them is restricted for emissions but you don't see people upset and not buying them. They buy them for what is possible when modded and unrestricted....

 

[Dennis]

Except you aren't getting the full story on that list and current competition for ProStreet. The Busa's have a sevear handicap and restrictions in those classes because they dominated. Go read the rule differences. Hard to dominate when you have one arm and a leg tied behind your back. Maybe that will change with a new bike coming but I don't count on it. It's usually about who has the most money to spend unfortunately....

2019 I would agree, but the opened up the rules a lot for Busas in 2020. They are even running methanol now like the liter bikes. Yeah, they have to be heavier but they are heavier stock anyway.

 

[Dennis]

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I stand corrected re: the Pro Street list.
And as for all the other classes in all other countries..?
The new 1ks do Not have pretty good lower rpm torque. And I have ridden them all. No comparison to a 35% bigger bore.
It's physics.
The G3 arguably Has a new engine.
This itineration of the bike will be distinctive for decades, unlike each new bland 1k.

Yep. So a 1441 would be better than a 1340. It's physics. We agree.

My point on the 1k's is that the mfgs keep developing them, not that that their low rpm power compares favorably to a Busa. The 1k's get an update every few years, not every 13 years.

 

[Got-Busa?]

2019 I would agree, but the opened up the rules a lot for Busas in 2020. They are even running methanol now like the liter bikes. Yeah, they have to be heavier but they are heavier stock anyway.

I'll agree they did make some changes but they still aren't on a level field. The height, weight, and length requirements are a BIG deal. In my mind, they are the fastest street bikes so they should have little to no rules and really see who can go the fastest. Someone is always restricted when they start dominating unfortunately....

 

[macka]

Do you own a busa bro?

and yes i do

 

[Telboy2000]

With the slightly smaller throttle bodies and possibly smaller injectors it might run into issues getting enough air / fuel mix to make big power but I'm sure someone will get a laptop plugged in and dyno one very soon to see what potential is within the Emission restricted engine.

 

[Bumblebee]

Yep. So a 1441 would be better than a 1340. It's physics. We agree.

My point on the 1k's is that the mfgs keep developing them, not that that their low rpm power compares favorably to a Busa. The 1k's get an update every few years, not every 13 years.

I find the last decade they put quite a bit more development into the liter bikes as they've seem to have taken over the market from the 600s

 

[Quiksilver]

and yes i do

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I was twisting your throttle, just kidding with you. That's quite a collection you have. I had a gen 1, gen 2, and fatboy at the same time. Times got tight and had to sell, still miss her. I also had a yzf600r and that was my first bike. My brother gave it to me because someone wrecked it and submerged it underwater. Had to go through most of it to get her right.

 

[Bumblebee]

and yes i do

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Do you still have all of these?

That R1 looks like it's going 100 mph just sitting there...

 

[macka]

Do you still have all of these?

only have room for two bikes at a time so sold R1 AND GIXXER bought busa and the blackbird, so the gixxer always had racetec k1 tyres on it