I have questions,maybe you have answers. George Floyd & Karma
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Mr Brown
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In physics if you have the same combination, you will achieve the same results. With people you can predict likelihood of outcome, but it's not a guarantee.
If you drop sodium in water you'll get the same result every time. If you drop a person in water, you won't necessarily.
You are confusing a complex thing with many variables with something unpredictable. We are finding "new physics" everyday, that's the whole point of super colliders. However, this is totally irrelevant for this conversation.
Mr Brown
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It's not irrelevant at all. With humans the number of variables is infinite, and because of that can never be completely predictable. A finite number of variables, no matter how large, allows for predictable results.
TallTom
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First of all, that man was killed by cops whose job it is is to prevent just that type thing. He was handcuffed and unarmed. No excuses for their behavior. Nothing they did will be able to make that fact seem OK.
Now I will assume that Rubbs background on the man is not in dispute. Now then, I'm a cop, showing up to a scene where the identified suspect has a known criminal history, albeit years ago. The man is 6'6" and looks to be at least a handful to any one officer. Now add that he may be hopped up on some drug. It helps me understand why they might have felt like he may be a handful for 3 officers. I have been somewhat perplexed as to why not only a white officer, but also an Asian and a Black officer are using the force they did to subdue him, and none felt the need to check up on if he was in distress. None felt like it was a good idea to ask the white cop to ease up, let him breath etc. I'm not a cop. I've known too many to know that their job sucks. They risk their lives by simple routine calls they don't get a choice on answering. I do know they get flooded with adrenaline with routine unknowns. Add to it a dude the size of Floyd and they could easily become over zealous. Not making excuses. But I have been a little dismayed that the only narrative we are hearing is a white cop murdered an unarmed black man. For me its more 4 cops are equally responsible for it. 2 being POC and never tried to stop the white cop. This helps shed a little light on it. They could have been scared more than usual at the fact that he could kill anyone of them if they have him the least bit of slack.
I worked with an American Indian that when drunk, liked to fight. He got drunk often. He got bailed out of jail and showed up like Tues to work. He was maybe a man of 5'10. Maybe 185. He was beat up all over. Face was bruised from one part to the next. One eye barely open. Knuckles cut up and bruised. Joe what happened I asked. Got in a fight he said. Man I hope he looks at least as bad as you do. He smiled back sort of with pride. He said I was doing OK until the 3rd cop showed up. I laughed, thinking he was kidding. My boss assured me he wasn't. If he was anything close to the size of Floyd, I'd want 3 more also.
We can't place ourselves in the cops heads. But for me, they are lacking in training or discipline or are simply used to being able to get away with this type abuse too easily. I hope they all do time on prison and the dept have to pay out big $$$. A man lost his life needlessly.
Now I will assume that Rubbs background on the man is not in dispute. Now then, I'm a cop, showing up to a scene where the identified suspect has a known criminal history, albeit years ago. The man is 6'6" and looks to be at least a handful to any one officer. Now add that he may be hopped up on some drug. It helps me understand why they might have felt like he may be a handful for 3 officers. I have been somewhat perplexed as to why not only a white officer, but also an Asian and a Black officer are using the force they did to subdue him, and none felt the need to check up on if he was in distress. None felt like it was a good idea to ask the white cop to ease up, let him breath etc. I'm not a cop. I've known too many to know that their job sucks. They risk their lives by simple routine calls they don't get a choice on answering. I do know they get flooded with adrenaline with routine unknowns. Add to it a dude the size of Floyd and they could easily become over zealous. Not making excuses. But I have been a little dismayed that the only narrative we are hearing is a white cop murdered an unarmed black man. For me its more 4 cops are equally responsible for it. 2 being POC and never tried to stop the white cop. This helps shed a little light on it. They could have been scared more than usual at the fact that he could kill anyone of them if they have him the least bit of slack.
I worked with an American Indian that when drunk, liked to fight. He got drunk often. He got bailed out of jail and showed up like Tues to work. He was maybe a man of 5'10. Maybe 185. He was beat up all over. Face was bruised from one part to the next. One eye barely open. Knuckles cut up and bruised. Joe what happened I asked. Got in a fight he said. Man I hope he looks at least as bad as you do. He smiled back sort of with pride. He said I was doing OK until the 3rd cop showed up. I laughed, thinking he was kidding. My boss assured me he wasn't. If he was anything close to the size of Floyd, I'd want 3 more also.
We can't place ourselves in the cops heads. But for me, they are lacking in training or discipline or are simply used to being able to get away with this type abuse too easily. I hope they all do time on prison and the dept have to pay out big $$$. A man lost his life needlessly.
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michael parris heuberger
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Hi. I have said that what action caused the actions of the cops. No action is also a cause for an action. Maybe he was just mean and wanted to hurt him. I do not know about karma. I just know I did a lot of stuff in Nam I am not proud of what I did. I should have died a few times. I was awarded a sh-t load of medles for what I did. Some day I may tell you about the time I did die. They say I have PTSD. That is why I did not become police officer. I drove truck to be alone and not to deal with people.
I get your point but it only took 1 cop got him out of the car, cuffed and sat him down by the store. If a cop cant handle a guy with his hands cuffed behind his back maybe he's in the wrong business. Then he kept his knee on his neck well after the suspect submitted
Brother I've seen cops arrest white suspects who had shot at them without a scratch. You can't take someone's rights because you're afraid of them and then say my bad.
c10
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Kind of off topic , but relates to officer control of suspects . Where is the standards that use to be in place for physical fitness ? I see more over weight out of shape police than in shape officers . One HPD Sargent told me he ain't chasing anyone , and depending on situation he would just shoot . WTF !! These guys have to use everything they have to control a suspect .
Starting to see this in the fire departments too . Three very over weight Harris county ESD 48 captains walking the new station i'm building . They couldn't do a pull up or run a mile if a lion was chasing them .
Starting to see this in the fire departments too . Three very over weight Harris county ESD 48 captains walking the new station i'm building . They couldn't do a pull up or run a mile if a lion was chasing them .
Mr Brown
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I wish there was a "mostly like" button....
Slowstang305
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I don't want to get into what happened... BUT why is there so much looting going on and protests mostly filled with idiots who don't know why they are even there.
Tached1300
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Opportunists... I saw a stat earlier where I think it was a mayor saying all of the people they arrested were from out of state... SMH
Mr Brown
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You answered your own question.....
I think a lot of this is fake.BLM is a fake group designed to make black people feel oppressed.If you tell people they are oppressed they will feel oppressed....or at least most of them will likely do.
Heres a video of a black women speaking to BLM group and shes dead right with what she’s saying IMO.All of a sudden having a peaceful protest is ok when last week you couldn’t leave your house?Doesn’t add up.
Soros funded communist ideology on the way?
anyway here’s the vid
Heres a video of a black women speaking to BLM group and shes dead right with what she’s saying IMO.All of a sudden having a peaceful protest is ok when last week you couldn’t leave your house?Doesn’t add up.
Soros funded communist ideology on the way?
anyway here’s the vid
Mythos
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No, I don't believe karma exists, unfortunately. A lot of people deserve it and don't get it.
This is the first I have heard of Mr Floyd's record. I checked it and it was printed in the NY Times yesterday. I will assume it is true.
nypost.com
I also only heard today that Mr Floyd's autopsy revealed the recent use of meth and fentanyl.
From the start, I wondered if he was under the influence of something since he appears to fall twice and the officers did claim they suspected a medical issue. I brushed that aside because obviously the presence of drugs would have been the first thing the coroner checked in an expeditious manner. ....I mean, there were riots going on, wouldn't you think they'd want to give all the info they could? Guess not. My feelings about the whole situation are changing.
To say it flat out, a cop who thinks any person is on some kind of drug does not want risk allowing that person to do things under the influence of that drug. Some drugs can produce superhuman strength, resistance to pain and injury, crank up the aggression and shut down inhibitions. Tasers don't work on these people. Floyd was already a very large individual. Maybe it wasn't entirely unreasonable to have three guys sit on him. I'm not sure the kneeling on the neck was a good idea but if you really felt the person was a danger IDK--maybe. Especially if you ran a check on the guy and discovered he had a prison record for home invasion with the use of a deadly weapon.
I think whole f---ing thing has turned onto a vile joke. It's disgraceful to to everyone. George Floyd and his memory, the protestors and the police, our cities. Everyone is a victim, there will be no victory involved in any of this, just a big loss.
This is the first I have heard of Mr Floyd's record. I checked it and it was printed in the NY Times yesterday. I will assume it is true.
George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief
The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terror…
nypost.com
I also only heard today that Mr Floyd's autopsy revealed the recent use of meth and fentanyl.
From the start, I wondered if he was under the influence of something since he appears to fall twice and the officers did claim they suspected a medical issue. I brushed that aside because obviously the presence of drugs would have been the first thing the coroner checked in an expeditious manner. ....I mean, there were riots going on, wouldn't you think they'd want to give all the info they could? Guess not. My feelings about the whole situation are changing.
To say it flat out, a cop who thinks any person is on some kind of drug does not want risk allowing that person to do things under the influence of that drug. Some drugs can produce superhuman strength, resistance to pain and injury, crank up the aggression and shut down inhibitions. Tasers don't work on these people. Floyd was already a very large individual. Maybe it wasn't entirely unreasonable to have three guys sit on him. I'm not sure the kneeling on the neck was a good idea but if you really felt the person was a danger IDK--maybe. Especially if you ran a check on the guy and discovered he had a prison record for home invasion with the use of a deadly weapon.
I think whole f---ing thing has turned onto a vile joke. It's disgraceful to to everyone. George Floyd and his memory, the protestors and the police, our cities. Everyone is a victim, there will be no victory involved in any of this, just a big loss.
Mr Brown
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Couple things, being scared of a person bigger than you means you shouldn't be a cop, because you're a coward. If being big is grounds for rough treatment then I guess at 6'6 and 300 lbs I should expect that next time I get pulled over? Fentanyl and meth don't give a person superhuman strength, and the police couldn't know how recently he'd used them. You're not sure if kneeling on someone's neck is a good idea or not? Seriously? At what point does kneeling on his neck no longer become necessary then? When he loses control of his bladder? When he asks for his mother? Or when he fades into unconsciousness?No, I don't believe karma exists, unfortunately. A lot of people deserve it and don't get it.
This is the first I have heard of Mr Floyd's record. I checked it and it was printed in the NY Times yesterday. I will assume it is true.
George Floyd had ‘violent criminal history’: Minneapolis police union chief
The head of the Minneapolis police union says George Floyd’s “violent criminal history” needs to be remembered and that the protests over his death are the work of a “terror…
I also only heard today that Mr Floyd's autopsy revealed the recent use of meth and fentanyl.
From the start, I wondered if he was under the influence of something since he appears to fall twice and the officers did claim they suspected a medical issue. I brushed that aside because obviously the presence of drugs would have been the first thing the coroner checked in an expeditious manner. ....I mean, there were riots going on, wouldn't you think they'd want to give all the info they could? Guess not. My feelings about the whole situation are changing.
To say it flat out, a cop who thinks any person is on some kind of drug does not want risk allowing that person to do things under the influence of that drug. Some drugs can produce superhuman strength, resistance to pain and injury, crank up the aggression and shut down inhibitions. Tasers don't work on these people. Floyd was already a very large individual. Maybe it wasn't entirely unreasonable to have three guys sit on him. I'm not sure the kneeling on the neck was a good idea but if you really felt the person was a danger IDK--maybe. Especially if you ran a check on the guy and discovered he had a prison record for home invasion with the use of a deadly weapon.
I think whole f---ing thing has turned onto a vile joke. It's disgraceful to to everyone. George Floyd and his memory, the protestors and the police, our cities. Everyone is a victim, there will be no victory involved in any of this, just a big loss.
You're right about one thing, it's disgraceful.
Responding officers can’t immediately access a suspect’s criminal history. Think of the timing involved here. After allegedly passing a phony 20, Floyd crossed the street and sat in his car, he didn’t drive away like someone might if they knew the 20 was phony, he sat there. How long was he there? Factor in the merchant calling the police, how long that took, and then the police response time, and believe me, unless they happened to be around the corner, responding to a lowly counterfeit call would not make them break the speed limit to race to the scene. Upon arrival, the merchant apparently told them the suspect was sitting in his car across the street. Again, to a normal cop, taking this case is right up there with accepting a shoplifter’s arrest by a Walmart Loss Prevention agent. Not exactly a robbery in progress. Taking him out of the car was SOP and remember just one cop walked him across the sidewalk, one. What we don’t know is what happened in the back of the cop car before he was removed and placed on the ground. We also don’t yet know whether or not the cop and Floyd knew eachother.
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