80 in 3rd??? not in a race with a 12....he did just what he shoulda done. disappeared on the horizon!
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The Busa and 12R are very very close in performance in stock trim... piped vs piped the 12R actually makes around 5-10rwhp over the Busa... so through the gears, a piped 12R will pull on a Busa. Gearing is always a big factor as well, if he went down 1 tooth in the front he'd be pulling you like a freight train for sure.. but with that gearing he's limited to about 182mph at revlimiter in 6th...(actual GPS speed... not indicated speedo speeds which are optimistic).
There's no shame in losing to a 12R... They are very close in performance and it almost always ends up being the rider that makes the difference with equal mods. Believe it or not... The Hayabusa isn't the "decimate all" type of bike it's been hyped up to be. It's a phenominal bike... but not THAT fast to where nothing should be able to beat it.
If you're racing magazines... the Busa will always win. If you're racing in the REAL WORLD... you'll see that the 0.04 second advantage that SPORTRIDER mag said the busa has over the 12r...means absolutely ####.
I've got a ZX12R... completely untouched motor... makes 176+rwhp SAE on a dj250 with just a pipe, pc, air filters... Busa's with the same mods on the same dyno make around 168rwhp SAE. 175-180rwhp is the norm for a 12r with a pipe just like 167-170rwhp is the norm for a Busa with a pipe.
With my 12R I've beaten more Busa's than I've lost to...by far.... not that the Busa's are slow, it's just that the 12R is equally as fast if not a notch faster piped vs piped. I believe SPORTRIDER mag did a test on this piped vs piped matchup with the Busa and ZX... The ZX went 2+mph faster than the Busa with equal mods done to both bikes. Same day, Same time, Same rider, Same mods, Same conditions.
The most imporant aspect of making sure you've got a fast bike is TUNING. Throw the bike on the dyno and get it mapped properly.
Oh, here's a little treat for all you non believers...
My 12R vs Busa.... same mods.... 1 mile run.. even start from a roll (so the rider has little influence).
http://www.thebombsquad.org/videos/ZX-12R_vs_Hayabusa.ASF
There's no shame in losing to a 12R... They are very close in performance and it almost always ends up being the rider that makes the difference with equal mods. Believe it or not... The Hayabusa isn't the "decimate all" type of bike it's been hyped up to be. It's a phenominal bike... but not THAT fast to where nothing should be able to beat it.
If you're racing magazines... the Busa will always win. If you're racing in the REAL WORLD... you'll see that the 0.04 second advantage that SPORTRIDER mag said the busa has over the 12r...means absolutely ####.
I've got a ZX12R... completely untouched motor... makes 176+rwhp SAE on a dj250 with just a pipe, pc, air filters... Busa's with the same mods on the same dyno make around 168rwhp SAE. 175-180rwhp is the norm for a 12r with a pipe just like 167-170rwhp is the norm for a Busa with a pipe.
With my 12R I've beaten more Busa's than I've lost to...by far.... not that the Busa's are slow, it's just that the 12R is equally as fast if not a notch faster piped vs piped. I believe SPORTRIDER mag did a test on this piped vs piped matchup with the Busa and ZX... The ZX went 2+mph faster than the Busa with equal mods done to both bikes. Same day, Same time, Same rider, Same mods, Same conditions.
The most imporant aspect of making sure you've got a fast bike is TUNING. Throw the bike on the dyno and get it mapped properly.
Oh, here's a little treat for all you non believers...
My 12R vs Busa.... same mods.... 1 mile run.. even start from a roll (so the rider has little influence).
http://www.thebombsquad.org/videos/ZX-12R_vs_Hayabusa.ASF
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Clean your injectors!!!!
Gear it. Check the A/F and adjust accordingly.
You should be extremely close if he isn't lying about his mods. Down low you should pull slightly then somewhere around 120 he may pull slightly then come around 160 you should start pulling on him. But I guess it all depends on many factors.....
Gear it. Check the A/F and adjust accordingly.
You should be extremely close if he isn't lying about his mods. Down low you should pull slightly then somewhere around 120 he may pull slightly then come around 160 you should start pulling on him. But I guess it all depends on many factors.....
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NOT THIS AGAIN!!! dude didn't your modded 12 lose to a bone stock Busa? Once again shows the machine doesn;t make the race huh?
phantom12 wrote
piped vs piped the 12R actually makes around 5-10rwhp over the Busa... so through the gears, a piped 12R will pull on a Busa[/QUOTE]
hey phantom if this is true then how come you lost to the ice man on his stock busa !
dont let phantom12 fool you
he is a troll , a big time liar and hated all over the internet .dont take advice from him cause he is full of it
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piped vs piped the 12R actually makes around 5-10rwhp over the Busa... so through the gears, a piped 12R will pull on a Busa[/QUOTE]
hey phantom if this is true then how come you lost to the ice man on his stock busa !
dont let phantom12 fool you
he is a troll , a big time liar and hated all over the internet .dont take advice from him cause he is full of it
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hey phantom if this is true then how come you lost to the ice man on his stock busa !
dont let phantom12 fool you
he is a troll , a big time liar and hated all over the internet .dont take advice from him cause he is full of it
Phantom12 trolls from Busa board to Busa board talking trash, beating his chest and issuing internet challenges.
His only purpose is to vainly attempt to crap on the mighty Busa.
Then he goes and gets TOASTED by The Ice Man's STOCK Busa on his modded 12.
These type of trolls and trash talkers will always be LOSERS no matter how fast they go.
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I took my bike the the guy and he told me to change the gears and get a full system, Power Commander and a BMC Filter. I did that and he put everything on the bike . He got a map from one of he's friends who have same the mods that I have.
It's like having a new and ligther bike. The front wheel don't want to stay down. So we raced again, same results but this time I was able to saty behind. He's telling me that I'm not supposed to use the clutch when I'm racing, that I should change gears without it.
It's that true? That won't hurt my tranny?
I checked he's bike, Akrapovic full system, BMC Filter, lowered front and back, stock gears, PCIII, Custom map, Dyno at 186 RWHP. It's a clean bike.
He did all the work for a case of Heineken. Not a bad deal, plus I learned a lot of my own bike.
It's like having a new and ligther bike. The front wheel don't want to stay down. So we raced again, same results but this time I was able to saty behind. He's telling me that I'm not supposed to use the clutch when I'm racing, that I should change gears without it.
It's that true? That won't hurt my tranny?
I checked he's bike, Akrapovic full system, BMC Filter, lowered front and back, stock gears, PCIII, Custom map, Dyno at 186 RWHP. It's a clean bike.
He did all the work for a case of Heineken. Not a bad deal, plus I learned a lot of my own bike.
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a stock bore and cam ZX12 does not make 186 HP that has a 1290 kit in it
If he's geared down, then he will lose some top end, just as you would. Depending on how far down you two go on gearing, then you won't go much over 180mph. I'm thinking that you need to really check your technique. Are you guys running from a dead start or roll-on?
Finally!! The voice of reason...a stock bore and cam ZX12 does not make 186 HP that has a 1290 kit in it
Guys, ICEMAN beat every single 170rwhp Busa out there that same day.... all on his "stock" busa. Guys with 15-20rwhp + gearing were getting beat by ICEMAN on his stocker. So you can all blow me.
I've raced TRUE stock busa's before and it's NO CONTEST!! I pull away like a freight train.
Why don't you ask ICEMAN how many modified Busa's I've beaten? I've only lost to 2 Busa's in a top speed run... Both were either ridden or tuned by ICEMAN. ICEMAN wouldn't ride my bike because he said, and I quote: "I might go faster than the Busas...and I don't want you posting it on the boards." What does that tell you? He knew there was a VERY VERY good chance he'd go faster on MY 12r than the fastest Busa out there.
Facts are facts people.... Don't try and take my loss to ICEMAN out of context!!! Yes, ICEMAN beat me on a tweeked "Stock" busa... but he beat the fastest piped Busa out there just as bad as he beat me. So don't make it out to be like I can't beat any ol' joe on a stock busa. The vid of me murdering that 170rwhp piped Busa by 10+ bikes shows that my 12R runs very good.
Hell, me on my 12R was matching the fastest piped Busa out there's MPH every run.
I've raced TRUE stock busa's before and it's NO CONTEST!! I pull away like a freight train.
Why don't you ask ICEMAN how many modified Busa's I've beaten? I've only lost to 2 Busa's in a top speed run... Both were either ridden or tuned by ICEMAN. ICEMAN wouldn't ride my bike because he said, and I quote: "I might go faster than the Busas...and I don't want you posting it on the boards." What does that tell you? He knew there was a VERY VERY good chance he'd go faster on MY 12r than the fastest Busa out there.
Facts are facts people.... Don't try and take my loss to ICEMAN out of context!!! Yes, ICEMAN beat me on a tweeked "Stock" busa... but he beat the fastest piped Busa out there just as bad as he beat me. So don't make it out to be like I can't beat any ol' joe on a stock busa. The vid of me murdering that 170rwhp piped Busa by 10+ bikes shows that my 12R runs very good.
Hell, me on my 12R was matching the fastest piped Busa out there's MPH every run.
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GM1300- Who the hell do you think you are?
YOU DON'T EVEN OWN A BUSA OR ANY FAST BIKE FOR THAT MATTER!!!!!
I've got a 215rwhp Ninja that's done 203+mph on GPS.... not that it's much.. but it sorta qualifies me as someone who has room to talk about fast bikes. What gives you the right to talk smack? You're nothing but a Busa-boy wannabe that has NOTHING useful to say, NO knowledge of either the Busa or the 12r, and most important of all... NO REAL EXPERIENCE on a Busa.
So why don't you actually go out and BUY the busa... then put some miles on it.... do some mods... take it to the track and see how you do. Throw a GPS in your pocket and top it out... see how fast you go.
Until then, STFU because you are NOT in the position to critic those who are actually out there racing and living the lifestyle you so love to steal and call your own.
Get some credentials punk, then maybe you'll have something worth talking about.
YOU DON'T EVEN OWN A BUSA OR ANY FAST BIKE FOR THAT MATTER!!!!!
I've got a 215rwhp Ninja that's done 203+mph on GPS.... not that it's much.. but it sorta qualifies me as someone who has room to talk about fast bikes. What gives you the right to talk smack? You're nothing but a Busa-boy wannabe that has NOTHING useful to say, NO knowledge of either the Busa or the 12r, and most important of all... NO REAL EXPERIENCE on a Busa.
So why don't you actually go out and BUY the busa... then put some miles on it.... do some mods... take it to the track and see how you do. Throw a GPS in your pocket and top it out... see how fast you go.
Until then, STFU because you are NOT in the position to critic those who are actually out there racing and living the lifestyle you so love to steal and call your own.
Get some credentials punk, then maybe you'll have something worth talking about.
I don't know who this people is racing. I let one "experience" rider use my bike against the 12, he did worst than me. He race twice, same results, he went home and pick up he's bike, and guess what, he got spanked too. I maybe young but I'm not blind, those things well tuned are fast and until I don't see it I can't believe that a pipe Busa will beat a pipe 12.
And don't even thing about top end , you will be dissapointed.
I learned the hard way.
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And don't even thing about top end , you will be dissapointed.
I learned the hard way.
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did you even read my post
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