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i gotta agree with bill on this one. first think of how small a valve stem is and how much it wieghs. there is no way a motorcycle is ever going to put the need force to push valve stem against air in the tire. i would think it more likely to have a crack in the stem from wear and tear or air leaking through the seams from perviously being over stretched by the higher psi. just my .02
 
The centrifugal force at the high speeds of the track were "probably" enough to pull the valve core in, and therefore, allowed the air in the my tire to escape because I DID NOT have the o-ring valve cap on as required by tech.
For what it's worth, I understood him to mean that it "pull[ed] the valve core in [towards the wheel]," which, relatively speaking, would be outward ... and ... let the air out.
 
Jinkster...not a typo...just left out some details.

Front tire: Dunlop 208GPA Race DOT, 31psi per Dunlop for the track.

Rear Tire (Original): Dunlop 208GP-JLB Race DOT, 30psi per Dunlop for the track.

Rear Tire (Final): Michellin Power Race, 22psi per Michellin for the track.

If you want to let air out of your tires, you push the center core in TOWARDS the outside of the tire (tread area) and NOT in towards the axle area.  Centrifugal force WILL act on this core, and if the resultant centrifugal force due to the mass of the core is greater than the tension spring holding it shut, it will open up.

The valve stems are metal with mith metal valve caps with sealing o-rings.  Required by the CCS rulebook.  Tech is the inspection area you have to pass before they allow you on the track.


Sorry I created such a shitstorm here.  I guess next time, everyone can just figure it out on their own.  Good luck...hope I'm completely wrong and you can all remove your valve caps and do top speed runs with complete confidence.
My apologies STKR....and you didn't cause the shidstorm...I did...and all worth while as I did say...if I'm missing something here enlighten me"...and something was mia this afternoon...my mind. LOL! sorry...it's been a long week of mirror image part programs at work...so many that it's got my damn mind working in reverse! LOL! Hence?...the dislexic centrifugal force thingy. LOL!

My bad..fitch and stkr are correct "in theory"...but I still have a hard time buying it...as one member stated...may be time for myth-busters. LOL!

L8R, Bill.
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Jinkster...not a typo...just left out some details.

Front tire: Dunlop 208GPA Race DOT, 31psi per Dunlop for the track.

Rear Tire (Original): Dunlop 208GP-JLB Race DOT, 30psi per Dunlop for the track.

Rear Tire (Final): Michellin Power Race, 22psi per Michellin for the track.

If you want to let air out of your tires, you push the center core in TOWARDS the outside of the tire (tread area) and NOT in towards the axle area. Centrifugal force WILL act on this core, and if the resultant centrifugal force due to the mass of the core is greater than the tension spring holding it shut, it will open up.

The valve stems are metal with mith metal valve caps with sealing o-rings. Required by the CCS rulebook. Tech is the inspection area you have to pass before they allow you on the track.


Sorry I created such a shitstorm here. I guess next time, everyone can just figure it out on their own. Good luck...hope I'm completely wrong and you can all remove your valve caps and do top speed runs with complete confidence.
My apologies STKR....and you didn't cause the shidstorm...I did...and all worth while as I did say...if I'm missing something here enlighten me"...and something was mia this afternoon...my mind. LOL! sorry...it's been a long week of mirror image part programs at work...so many that it's got my damn mind working in reverse! LOL! Hence?...the dislexic centrifugal force thingy. LOL!

My bad..fitch and stkr are correct "in theory"...but I still have a hard time buying it...as one member stated...may be time for myth-busters. LOL!

L8R, Bill.
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No problem Bill
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I agree that while it may not be plausable, it is possible. Maybe I'll send in and idea to MythBusters.
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So are all you guys really this smart and I am that dumb? I was lost after he put air in the tire.
You guys can get on some subjects and I begin to see why I ride around and wonder why everyone else house is bigger than mine.
I feel like I am in the 5th grade again doing math. Everyone else is smiling answering questions on the board and I am like Pie are not square, pie are round.....
 
There is another possibility no one mentioned. And I wouldn't know if it didn't happen to me.

I come to the bike one day, and the rear is almost flat. "Damn!" I start checking the tire and can't find anything. I inflated the tire, and keep checking more - looking for a sound or bubles (I spit number of times on all suspicious places). Nothing.

So, I start thinking logically, and the only other area to check would be the valve. So, I put more of my saliva on the valve, and what do you know, that's where the leak is.

So, I figure it has something to do with the valve core. So I let the air out, take the core out, and after looking closely I see a grain of sand or something like this stuck to the seal of the valve core.

Just to make sure that was it, I removed the grain of whatever it was, put the core back, pumped the air in, checked - no more leak.

Wouldn't believe myself.

Applying this possibility to the original post. Normally, when there is a good seal, it's not only the spring in the valve that holds the seal, it's also the air pressure. Thos two forces together are more than enough to make sure the centrifugal force is not going to open the valve. However, if there is an obstruction which prevents the tight seal, then it's only the valve spring. Having no cap didn't help either. But having an air tight cap is bad too, because heated air under the cap may push the valve back to the tire releasing some air.
 
Glad you made it out ok. I just recently bought a set of KTM orange anodized caps with o-rings as well. The rear o-ring came unseated and was pushing down on the pin and letting the air right out. Good thing I caught it right down the street from my house.
 
intresting ...i have to agree...with pressure and spring ...i dont see where centrifugle force would pull the valve in...remember the only mass that is effected is the pin and the seal...against the spring and the pressure...
 
Good idea is to just check your tires.... Back when I had my V Max I failed to check the tire pressure at the start of the season. End result was the tire breaking the bead on a corner and coming of the rim on the front. I almost became part of the scenery with that one.
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Okay...maybe I did just run over something on the track...IT IS the most likely explanation.
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I just thought it was worth bringing up the topic as a possible cause since I found the valve cap next to the stand when I came back to the pits.
 
I was thinking everything that Jinkster said.. when I got my bike the tire was low 22 pounds. I aired it up and checked for nails or something. nothing at 36# everytime I went to ride it would be back down aroud 16 to 20 # I got mad and aired it up to 41 # and never had a leak problem again. so I really believe in the rim casting problem. and the tire leaked down with the stem cap on the first time so it could not be the cap. and like they say the Stem cannot push in at any centrifical force.. sorry.. I am not being a smart a$$ but just stating facts...



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