Okayyyyy
So why is the automatic response always ban ‘assault rifles’ from the left?
‘It’s a start’ they will say. Okayyyyy. Now ask them where is the end? They can’t give you an answer. That is why we are at a stalemate.
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So why is the automatic response always ban ‘assault rifles’ from the left?
‘It’s a start’ they will say. Okayyyyy. Now ask them where is the end? They can’t give you an answer. That is why we are at a stalemate.
Is it just the government saying ban them or is it all the voting citizens lobbying for them to do so?
Governments of either alignment are only as strong as the population makes them....
Banning firearms is the easy and uneducated way out (so they think).
What is the answer to the solution?
Lots of big brains don't have a clue as to what the answer is....
There is no answer. We just have to live with it. Arm ourselves to protect ourselves.
I disagree with it unless they are trained to a police or military level. CCW training is not enough.
Military or police levels are laughable these days. But I agree they should be well trained. Can’t hurt to have someone inside who could help or make a difference. We protect our money and politicians more so than our kids. Really sad.
It is politicians who scream it and democrat sheep who believe it thinking it’ll make a difference. It makes them feeeeeel good to say it and hear it. Politicians know it won’t stop anything. People foolishly believe them and cry for it. These grand standings are all based on feelings and not facts. It’s too hard to look at facts and come up with real solutions for them.
Totally agree with the drug testing. Not at all on the registration. How else do you monitor who has what and who bought and sold and who let someone access them? As Michael said it will take trust. The 2nd isn't going anywhere; gun owners have to learn to trust the government or anti-gunners will continue to overcorrect and more. Hassle? No more than renewing your bike or car registration. Try to remember you're doing your part for civilization.
I have a hard sense that all these words are for naught as far as convincing pro gunners to ease up and think. Hopefully the mass shootings ease up.
I don't believe in coincidence or religion. Action is the only way to solution.
Throughout history every govt that ever began with registration ended up with confiscation and in many cases extermination. Ain’t happening here. Sorry. Seek another solution. Besides how would a huge list of every gun and every owner help reduce crime? It wouldn’t. There is zero reasonable argument why it would or could.
.....add to this the majority of voters in the US are basically neutral left and that's the difference....
I personally am neutral right as are most military and police members.
Politicians scream it because their constituents tell them what they think, politicians really have no choice or risk being voted out.
Israel does it. Lots of countries have armed police or guards at schools.
And don’t forget this. That you hear these things daily about the USA and they make it seem like it’s happening to everyone everywhere constantly. It’s simply just not the case. 100s of millions of people here like myself had a great day. The media just doesn’t want to show or say that. If it bleeds it leads. Our media has turned into one that seeks controversy not peace or happiness.
But to answer you premise several recent shooters including this most recent one at the mall specifically chose their target because it was a soft one and largely unprotected. The Nashville shooter wrote about other places she wanted to hit but decided against them because….wait for it….they were too well protected. So yeah I think it a great idea to protect our most valuable assets, the children. Evil has existed since the dawn of man. It’s never gonna go away. So shall we still dismiss the idea of hardening schools or accept things and make measures to eliminate the chance as best as possible?
It would make every gun owner more responsible for their weapons. I'm not saying you are not, but there are plenty that aren't. Also there is no way to track how each gun goes where. Sure there will still be undocumented movement, but it would be illegal. Any little bit helps. Ask the family of the dead ones.
Your first sentence...don't think so but I'm not going to research it. Everything possible has to be done.
On my first sentence it is disturbing you don’t know what Hitler, Stalin, the Khmer Rouge or others did to their populace once they installed gun registration. Extermination after confiscation which was made infinitely easier after registration happened to millions.
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Another question for the group. How do you guys from both sides of the fence feel about 80% or 3d printed firearms?
Not all that long ago children would bring guns to school, set them in the corner of the classroom and go hunting after class. Hell, even when I was younger, and I'm only in my 30's, kids would bring their shotguns to school for trap shooting practice and competitions. I can't imagine a shooter making it more than a minute in a school where I grew up because it was not a soft target.
I try to stay open minded but I'm from the middle of the country and everyone I knew growing up was familiar and comfortable with firearms. Maybe coming from a home where my father is a licensed federal firearms dealer my experience was different than others, and my viewpoint is a bit different than someone that grew up in the city with no access to firearms as a child.
I'm all for finding a solution to the gun violence in this country because what we are currently doing is clearly not working but I'll be damned before anyone takes my firearms, especially with how our government is run these days.
Not all that long ago children would bring guns to school, set them in the corner of the classroom and go hunting after class. Hell, even when I was younger, and I'm only in my 30's, kids would bring their shotguns to school for trap shooting practice and competitions. I can't imagine a shooter making it more than a minute in a school where I grew up because it was not a soft target.
I try to stay open minded but I'm from the middle of the country and everyone I knew growing up was familiar and comfortable with firearms. Maybe coming from a home where my father is a licensed federal firearms dealer my experience was different than others, and my viewpoint is a bit different than someone that grew up in the city with no access to firearms as a child.
I'm all for finding a solution to the gun violence in this country because what we are currently doing is clearly not working but I'll be damned before anyone takes my firearms, especially with how our government is run these days.
nintastio
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I also want to say there aren't many places left today where people can discuss these type of topics without someone getting so upset the conversation must come to an end. It makes me smile that the people here can have a civil conversation about a very controversial topic.
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I wouldn't assume that gun registration leads to Extermination on a global scale. I would assume there is many countries that have gun registration in a democracy that the govt have no plans to do anything on a mass scale.
Gun registration inevitably leads to confiscation. Extermination after that has happened enough times that it has to be a consideration. If not outright extermination than simple domination after confiscation could easily happen. Look what our govts mine and yours did to us over a simple virus with a very low mortality rate. Look how people were so easily told what to do and did it. Worldwide they grabbed power and for the most part everyone obeyed it. Their goal here and worldwide is to disarm those who might say NO when the next time comes round and they push too far.
We are not a democracy. Never have been.
You can’t use Hitler or Stalin as examples. This is now. You don’t trust our government I get that. Trust yourself. Legal and moral gun owners are fine. You have to trust that. How can we do nothing?
Both were once cheered by their own people. What makes you absolutely certain our govt won’t turn on us one day? Chances are slim but still possible and definitely not impossible.
I never said we should do nothing. I said BOTH sides need to look at more in depth solutions. One side screams gun bans and the other says no. Meanwhile more events happen. It’s been said many times that the guns have always been here. What else is it that has changed in the last 30-40yrs? I still believe it to be tied to americas addiction to prescription medication. Just about every commercial on tv now is one for some drug. The side effects of these are being displayed daily.
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