Itch for a twin

[OB_KawAbuser]

Trust this, the Honda will never be a replacement for my Busa as my Suzuki blood runs deep. I have never owned a Honda and I purchased a bike last year that was also a first year bike and never regretted it one minute (cut out or not!).

Hapo,how about "If it sounds like a Duck is it a Duck?"

Roman, Cisco, and Hap now you have something to insult me about.

You can start with; *Do real Busa owners buy Hondas?*

The Busa will probably kick it right out of the garage, the Busa is very particular who she hangs out with anyway. I'll probably walk out in the driveway and find the little Honda all smacked up, getting B*tch Slapped from the Busa wont be easy on the little thumper. But isn't that what Honda's are for anyway.

"RC51 takes a dump'n and keeps on thump'n"

Guess we will find out if it's little more than a cheap Timex



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[Guest]

Hey Kawabuser, me reserved? Maybe because much of my time here has been with the Speedo recalibrator project. I am as much a shitestirrer as the next guy. The RC51 board was a special deal because a guy there was causing probs on the TLR sites - like a ZX-12boy, you guys know all about those losers!

Anyway, you other guys, if you want a twin, RIDE THE TLR FIRST before putting your deposit down on anything. TLR with a decent exhaust is close to 20hp MORE than the Aprilia, RC51, 996 etc etc. AND you can feel it, typical scare you shitless Suzuki type horsepower. The TLR may not be as refined as the Duc/Aprilia (ahem! even the RC51) but it is BRUTAL. The big daddy of v-twin sport bikes.

Find one with a proper exhaust, and suspension set up right, and take it for a good test ride. Then just buy one. My 2c

 

[OB_Konrad]

Pete,
I bet that guy was havin a great ole
time,airing out his $3000 leathers,stylin,
and not wantin to go so fast as not to
be appreciated by the ladies.
Upscale, Euro-trash ,low rider...Where
can I get one? Bye the way...
just read that the Y2K GSXR750 will
have 140hp and weigh 360[?dry] confirmed at
the Paris bike show.

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[OB_Dirty Pete]

You're right Konrad...however you get your jollies on a bike is OK...even if it's not cool in other people's eyes.

I guess I'm just biased. I don't 'style.' I take riding very seriously. I like a good lookin' bike, but I feel the need to earn that bike's respect every time I get on it, and riding it way beneath its potential is not the way to do that.

To make an analogy from my wife's world, can you imagine buying a competitive thoroughbred horse in the prime of its life and giving it to your daughter to ride at the local pony club? The little girl might be happy, and the other kids would be wowed, but the horse would be raging inside.

Lots of rich people do exactly that. Most Ferraris, Vipers, Fountain boats, R1s and Vincent Black Shadows are wasted on their owners.

As I said in other words above, I don't believe that is the case with any of the members of this forum no matter what they ride. We're all here because we're bike freaks.

 

[OB_jimjib]

I think its the styling of the Jap twins that just doesn't grab me, they all look kind of the same to me. From a distance the Aprilia doesn't really stand out either but when you get a little closer, the quality
really jumps out at you, especially that sweet looking swingarm with its welding from heaven. I guess the whole twin thing for me is about the character of the engine and not maximum hp figures. In fact, that's what kept me from fours all these years...but then came the Busa with its spectacular
torque curve and that, as they say was that. So anyway, I need a sporting
twin to round out the stable and it has to be something with a little style
...maybe that Guzzi V11 sport.

 

[OB_Konrad]

The "potential" of most modern
sport bikes is lost on the street.
No way am I going 100mph+ [or at least
more than a few sec.] on the street.
To many issues...
The track is the real arena, I pretty
much stink on the track but its great
and a good way to really appreciate
a bit more potential.
Wilbur

 

[OB_Dirty Pete]

Jimjib I sure agree that bikes with beautifully engineered and executed components are a pleasure to own and I think that those components often give your bike more potential.

Konrad, potential is potential whether on the street or track. You can run a lot faster on the track in absolute terms yes. But bikes like the ones that we talk about here also give you the potential to run faster on the street...safely. They stop, accelerate, corner, respond to inputs quicker and are more forgiving of rider error than any bikes before them.

I think running fast on the street is much more challenging than on the racetrack because you've got so many more variables thrown in. I know several guys that Nicky Hayden or Carl Fogerty probably wouldn't stand a chance against on the street.

What the * do Hayden and Fogerty know about J-walking pedestrians and stoplight patterns and dump truck debris and cop evasion and roadkill and pickups throwing beer bottles out the window and sudden road surface changes and high school principals in Buicks swerving in front of them and tire chunks flying off transport trucks and no emergency medical services and on-coming traffic?

I just try to ride to my and my bike's potential on the track and on the street. And, as I think Ducmanic said some time ago, on the parking lot too.

It's when you stop pressing yourself for more that you cease being a sport rider and become just another sport bike rider.

 

[OB_jimjib]

Hey Cisco, what's the handling like on a stock TLR, I have heard they have problems with that rotary dampener.

 

[OB_Konrad]

Bottom line, its not legal

 

[OB_Dirty Pete]

Well there's the difference between you and me Konrad. Legal on the street has never interested me.

 

[viol8r]

A hundred for a second is not legal either

 

[OB_Konrad]

Legal on the street only interests me
in that in some vague way it protects individuals from folks that are less than
competent. Pete, as well as many of you,
are very skilled street sport riders with
good judgement. The big problem is the squids
that ain't. One reason[by far not the only]
I like bikes so well is the large fun factor
even if your not going 130mph. In New England
in a C4 Porsche, you spend most of your time
lugging around or getting a stiff neck looking for da Man.you get a real visceral
thrill on a bike ,even at relatively "sane"
speeds.

 

[OB_Cisco San Jose]

99TLR,I've been trying to tell them that but I guess you have someone on anyboard who knows more or is older and wiser that will say other wise,anyway owning one of the first 98TLR in Northern California and riding thru Highway 9 and Skyline to Alice's I know this bike rips and when John(BC) and I went to Laguna Secca for the races last year I was surprise to see his TLR next to my Hayabusa at 150mph after I did a high speed run with a Mazeratti car and the CHP put a end to that one,we got no tickets but the CHP did turn on his Lights to let us know that he knew what was up.Ride Safe

 

[OB_Cisco San Jose]

Jimjib,the handling was great to me compaired to my old 89Gsxr1100 and the braking was also great.The rear dampner was not a problem with me and if you check my second post on this topic here you can go to Jamie's website and he gives a great run down on how to setup your bike to rip.I'm a Suzuki guy and I did own a 1988 Honda shadow 600 and that was a good small cruz bike and the engine was the old Ascott engine that they used in their V-twin race series way back when,back to the TL-R or even the TL-S or now the new 650-SV model all good engine.As for the Honda engine yes they make good bikes and they will not stop and kill their race series V-twin models like Suzuki did but time will tell.Anyones of these twins out their are good bikes and if you have the money to burn buy the bike of your choice but like I said I was very happy with my TL-R until I got my Hayabusa.

 

[OB_jimjib]

Thanks Cisco, I will check those sites out.

 

[OB_Buffalo]

I have owned and loved a 97 Suzuki TL1000S since it hit the streets. 10.30's in the quarter is not nearly as fast as our Busa's but then what is? The TL's are way fun bikes and will top 150 with ease. Also the Mack daddy wheelstanders of all time that will corner too and super bargains price wise. I also have a 95 916 Ducati and I don't baby either bike. Love 'em bigtime, don't feel sorry for me I love thunder bikes. Nobody else has to get it, I ride 'em cause I like 'em!

 

[OB_Konrad]

Pete,
Come to Loudon in June,your welcome to stay
at our place on the ride down. Loudon is about 2 hours from Portland ME. Mike,
touch base with me before you go.

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[OB_Dirty Pete]

Thanks for the invite Konrad, I'll keep it in mind if Louden is in the cards. The reciprocal applies to you and KawAbuser if you want to be a part of Bike Week at Mosport in early July. You can ride the track in street, fast street or hot shoe all day for $100/day Monday-Thursday, then Super Bike races all weekend. Yamaha factory Super Bike racers give factory-subsidized on-track one-on-one instruction...three 20 minute sessions with one-on-one debriefs between sessions for only $60. I live 10 minutes from the track and have plenty of room. I take that week off work.

What's the Classic about, KawAbuser? Does the event have a website?

Lemme see...proper old New England...Louden must be like Daytona except everyone's in tuxes sipping champers under sun umbrellas while they watch the motorcycle chaps tour the course for trophies, right?

 

[OB_KawAbuser]

Konrad, you hit the nail on the head with "New England". Other parts of the country are a little better suited to "stretch the legs" of Porsche's and Busa's. Sure there are some short flat and straight road sections in NE but not like there is out west. A V-twin might be a little better suited for routes 57ma, 2ma, 100vt, 118nh, and 113me.

Sure the Busa runs fine, but you can't honestly tell me that you never wish it was a smaller lighter bike at times. A strong twin is a fun bike to ride no matter who imports it.

 

[viol8r]

Put a new carb on my flat tracker 1000cc sportster today, then went blasting around. It's about 10 times slower than the busa,but it sure is fun and alot lighter too.
I got my V-twin