I'm sure they're here to, just a little more low profile.
Lady Killed Leaving Klan Ritual
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Unfortunately I don't think we can classify them as terrorist. There are different "groups" of them. There are some who do not use fear or force to get things done. They just get together and hate people that aren't white. Those are the ones that I just shrug at, if you are that ignorant, then fine, just don't force your beliefs on someone else, and don't hurt someone because they aren't pastey.
Even in the case of the current KKK I think it's a small minority that does the stupid crap that we are always hearing about. As with many other groups I imagine that there is a bunch of guys in the KKK who want to slap the crap out of these idiots for drawing unwanted attention. They are not searching for this kind of publicity. As of recently they have been a lot quieter. Every year I hear less and less about violence with them and more and more about protests and marches.
Idiots though they may be, it's, in my opinion, a minority of them causing the problem, and it's also in their rights.
I served in the military to protect the rights of the American people. Even those that make me wanna
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There are loosers like that in every race.
They remind me of the playground bullies. At some point if we stand up to him, they will either run with their tale between their legs or become more "enlighten" and be your best friend. Very seldom did they ever really fight back!!!
They remind me of the playground bullies. At some point if we stand up to him, they will either run with their tale between their legs or become more "enlighten" and be your best friend. Very seldom did they ever really fight back!!!
I think they sure can be classified as domestic terrorists:
Section 802 of the USA PATRIOT Act (Pub. L. No. 107-52) expanded the definition of terrorism to cover ""domestic,"" as opposed to international, terrorism. A person engages in domestic terrorism if they do an act ""dangerous to human life"" that is a violation of the criminal laws of a state or the United States, if the act appears to be intended to: (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping. Additionally, the acts have to occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States and if they do not, may be regarded as international terrorism.
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Rayabusa0818
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Unfortunately I don't think we can classify them as terrorist. There are different "groups" of them. There are some who do not use fear or force to get things done. They just get together and hate people that aren't white. Those are the ones that I just shrug at, if you are that ignorant, then fine, just don't force your beliefs on someone else, and don't hurt someone because they aren't pastey.
Even in the case of the current KKK I think it's a small minority that does the stupid crap that we are always hearing about. As with many other groups I imagine that there is a bunch of guys in the KKK who want to slap the crap out of these idiots for drawing unwanted attention. They are not searching for this kind of publicity. As of recently they have been a lot quieter. Every year I hear less and less about violence with them and more and more about protests and marches.
Idiots though they may be, it's, in my opinion, a minority of them causing the problem, and it's also in their rights.
I served in the military to protect the rights of the American people. Even those that make me wanna
They are the original terrorists!!!???
I am not saying I wouldn't love to tag them as terrorist and run every last KKK member out of the country.
I am saying that we cannot lable the whole KKK as terrorist anymore. They have stupid "cells" or whatever, but not all of them do that stuff anymore.
I understand they were the originals. They started using those tactics a long time ago. However, we cannot take away their right to assemble, and even though I want to punch them in the face, we cannot take away their right to publicly hate people for their skin color. To take away those rights we would open the door to allow the removal of many more rights that I hold dear.
I am in no way shape or form saying that the KKK is anything short of a bunch of idiots. I would love to see it go away entirely. But we cannot just do it by saying they are terrorist. Or we could go after the catholic church because they had some nuts that blew up abortion clinics...
It's a slippery slope when you start talking about labeling and removing rights. That's all I am saying.
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I am disappointed and embarrassed to read that this happened in Louisiana.
I am glad, at least, that it occurred far from the town where I was raised.
I am glad, at least, that it occurred far from the town where I was raised.
This could happen anywhere. It's not a location based issue. Racism doesn't contain itself to any city or towns. It's where the stupid people go... and they get into every place...
I think you could definitly classify individuals within the KKK as terrorist. Not the whole organization. As a whole they do not do the things they used to. I am not saying that they don't support it, or that they don't encourage it, I don't know how they run. It's just not possible to lable them all as terrorist without opening up some doors to do the same to other groups.
Although if we can come up with a way to make them all go away, or move em to another country I am all in. As long as it doesn't enfringe on those freedoms
Rayabusa0818
Never Forgotten
If it quacks like a duck...here is an excerpt from
Congressional Testimony
Statement of John S. Pistole, Executive Assistant Director, Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence, FBI
Before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States
April 14, 2004
KKK
On February 12 and 13, 2003, Joshua Caleb Sutter and Davis Wayne Hull, Imperial Wizard of the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, were arrested on a range of charges, including teaching or demonstrating the making and use of a destructive device, selling illegal weapons, and corruptly persuading a witness with intent to influence his or her testimony. A search warrant on Hull's property uncovered fifteen firearms and some pipe bomb components. As the less culpable party, Sutter pled guilty to weapons violations and awaits sentencing. Hull was indicted by a Federal Grand Jury on May 13, 2003, and his matter is pending trial.
I think you could definitly classify individuals within the KKK as terrorist. Not the whole organization. As a whole they do not do the things they used to. I am not saying that they don't support it, or that they don't encourage it, I don't know how they run. It's just not possible to lable them all as terrorist without opening up some doors to do the same to other groups.
Although if we can come up with a way to make them all go away, or move em to another country I am all in. As long as it doesn't enfringe on those freedoms
Ok, so would\should the PLO have an open organization in this country with recruiting and meetings like the KKK?
I am not asking this in a combative way, I am just curious as to your position.
"The first Klan was founded in 1865 by veterans of the Confederate Army. Its purpose was to restore white supremacy in the aftermath of the American Civil War"
ANY offshoot or cells of KKK are STILL KKK and therefore abide by the same, original mission statement. If not, those cells should be called something different to help distance themselves from the KKK.
I say "terrorists" since they are a "secret domestic militant organizations".
If it's named after a Duck, spelled like D-U-C-K, claims to be a duck, it's a DUCK
Yes, there are a minority causign the problems, but lightening up on the whole initial KKK is not acceptable. It needs to be removed just like any other pointless hate group
ANY offshoot or cells of KKK are STILL KKK and therefore abide by the same, original mission statement. If not, those cells should be called something different to help distance themselves from the KKK.
I say "terrorists" since they are a "secret domestic militant organizations".
If it's named after a Duck, spelled like D-U-C-K, claims to be a duck, it's a DUCK
Yes, there are a minority causign the problems, but lightening up on the whole initial KKK is not acceptable. It needs to be removed just like any other pointless hate group
I am not saying to not remove them. I am saying to not do it in a way that opens the door to beat on other groups that can be labled.
If you didn't get it before I do not like the KKK, I do not approve of their actions, their beliefs or anything to do with them. I just don't think you can say "oh they are terrorist lets get rid of them". It opens things up.
But apparently that's alright with some people. I for one don't want my rights taken away because they were able to do it with these kind of tactics. Freedom is a tough thing to take away without stepping across lines. I am saying be careful with it.
As for the PLO question - If they were not advocating people to use violence and fear tactics to promote their beliefs why wouldn't you let them do it? If they are choosing to use these things to promote thier own beliefs and take others right away then there is an issue. In my mind they would most certainly do those things. But you have to take it on an individual, or cell type, basis. You cannot judge every person by an organization they are attached to. The crusades would make a lot of us seem to be bad people then
I am not advocating for these groups. Just the freedoms granted to people in this country. Jump on me if you want, say what you will, I am only asking to think before you take away a persons freedom. It could affect you later.
I am not saying to not remove them. I am saying to not do it in a way that opens the door to beat on other groups that can be labled.
If you didn't get it before I do not like the KKK, I do not approve of their actions, their beliefs or anything to do with them. I just don't think you can say "oh they are terrorist lets get rid of them". It opens things up.
But apparently that's alright with some people. I for one don't want my rights taken away because they were able to do it with these kind of tactics. Freedom is a tough thing to take away without stepping across lines. I am saying be careful with it.
As for the PLO question - If they were not advocating people to use violence and fear tactics to promote their beliefs why wouldn't you let them do it? If they are choosing to use these things to promote thier own beliefs and take others right away then there is an issue. In my mind they would most certainly do those things. But you have to take it on an individual, or cell type, basis. You cannot judge every person by an organization they are attached to. The crusades would make a lot of us seem to be bad people then
I am not advocating for these groups. Just the freedoms granted to people in this country. Jump on me if you want, say what you will, I am only asking to think before you take away a persons freedom. It could affect you later.
Fair enough. I am not a fan of the Patriot Act because of it's assault on freedom. Although I would say that if an organization advocates violence then it would not be wise to be associated with it.
I also do not agree in any way with what the KKK or any group at advocates hate, but I would not deny them the rights they would so quickly take from others. Once they cross the line and act in a way that infringes upon the rights of others I say take them out severly and swiftly. Now, it could be argued that past actions of the KKK already meet that criteria. I would agree and I would have no problem seeing the organization classified as a domestic terrorist organization and members treated accordingly.
I can agree with that criteria. However to judge an organization on the actions of it's past is not entirely fair. It could however be used to put them on a shorter leash maybe ???
I am just more so worried about the rights enfringement that could follow in many other areas if you allow an entire group to be labled for the actions of some.
I do not think highly of the special needs people in and associated with the KKK. But they do have rights. The same rights that I decided to protect with my service, and the same rights given to the protester who spit on me in uniform. It was her right to protest... spitting on me I think crossed the line a bit... But I served so she could non violently protest me. I am alright with that. The freedom we have is precious, and I don't want to see it taken or twisted. That's all I am saying.
I agree but the key word you used is "non-violently"...Violence and intimidation have been cornerstones of Klan activities.
True, and as such I would love to see them go. I would not mind them being put on a boat and put out to sea. Then light the boat on fire a couple miles off the coast. I am not even entirely against labeling them as domestic terrorist, but you would have to be very, very, very careful. It would have to be done in small groups. However they meet, whatever it is they call thier little chapters, something along those lines.
I have no love for the KKK, I have had bad interactions with them. I have taken verbal and physical shots from them. But I would not take away their rights as long as they do not intend to do the things to take away others. They can hate a man for his skin color, as ignorant as that is, and they can hate me for not having a problem with a man for his skin color, as long as they don't cross that line I am fine with idiots being idiots.
The point I am getting at is that they are not all violent. There has been change within the "organization". If they can hate non violently, good on them... I guess.
But if you take their rights away because they believe differently than you, then we have a problem. The doors that opens up get scary.
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