Lance Armstrong

[GNBRETT]

ya know what I find most amusing about this whole illegal drug use scandal is that people around the world have this notion that all other professional riders that he competed against didnt use the same drugs Armstrong did including his own teammates that have thrown him under the bus and somehow if other riders had taken such substances they too would have won 7 Tours.....LMAO

thats like looking at a professional body builder and saying "If I used steroids, HGH, Insulin, etc.... I too would be that big". yea ok keep dreaming! do people around the world really believe that teams like Armstrong's didnt have access to the same illegal substances that he did and didnt use the same illegal substances? gime a break wud ya...

im sure he has rubbed his teammates the wrong way at some point or another which is obvious the way they speak about him but the fact remains they used the same stuff Armstrong did yet I didnt see them or any other professional cyclist winning 7 Tours in ROW.....

im sure professional football players never use illegal substances either and professional body builders are all natural.....

im so sick of hearing about this which hunt and people like Pierce Morgan going on national TV calling him a cheater as tho that is reason why he won 7 straight Tours.... im sure it had nothing to do with hard work and talent and the fact that his heart is nearly twice the size of an average human allowing him to take in twice as much oxygen and therefore prolonging lactic acid build-up.

Dorian Yates (6) consecutive Mr. Olympia wins.
Lee Haney (8) consecutive Mr. Olympia wins.
Ronnie Coleman (8) consecutive Mr. Olympia wins.

you know what these competitors have in common with every other Mr. Olympia competetor? they ALL used illegal drugs to compete but I dont see any of them winning title after title after title.

is it so hard to fatham that Lance Armstrong was just better then everyone else?

 

[m_ridgeway]

ya know what I find most amusing about this whole illegal drug use scandal is that people around the world have this notion that all other professional riders that he competed against didnt use the same drugs Armstrong did including his own teammates that have thrown him under the bus and somehow if other riders had taken such substances they too would have won 7 Tours.....LMAO

thats like looking at a professional body builder and saying "If I used steroids, HGH, Insulin, etc.... I too would be that big". yea ok keep dreaming! do people around the world really believe that teams like Armstrong's didnt have access to the same illegal substances that he did and didnt use the same illegal substances? gime a break wud ya...

im sure he has rubbed his teammates the wrong way at some point or another which is obvious the way they speak about him but the fact remains they used the same stuff Armstrong did yet I didnt see them or any other professional cyclist winning 7 Tours in ROW.....

im sure professional football players never use illegal substances either and professional body builders are all natural.....

im so sick of hearing about this which hunt and people like Pierce Morgan going on national TV calling him a cheater as tho that is reason why he won 7 straight Tours.... im sure it had nothing to do with hard work and talent and the fact that his heart is nearly twice the size of an average human allowing him to take in twice as much oxygen and therefore prolonging lactic acid build-up.

Dorian Yates (6) consecutive Mr. Olympia wins.
Lee Haney (8) consecutive Mr. Olympia wins.
Ronnie Coleman (8) consecutive Mr. Olympia wins.

you know what these competitors have in common with every other Mr. Olympia competetor? they ALL used illegal drugs to compete but I dont see any of them winning title after title after title.

is it so hard to fatham that Lance Armstrong was just better then everyone else?

x2!

This whole anti doping bull**** is getting so old. I'm glad we're admittedly in the worst economic times since the thirties and have the money to staff an entire agency to go on these types of witch hunts.

 

[GNBRETT]

that sport is so political. much more then most people realize. they try to give everyone this illusion that Armstrong was the only professional cyclist who was using performance enhancing drugs. they ALL were. that is a fact and anyone who knows anything about that sport knows that to be true.

just a bounch of haters that cant keep their mouth shut cause their career's are finished and they just didnt happen to be as successful as Armstrong was. the whole thing is sickening!

you ruin a great American athletes name forever so they can now feel they wernt as successful because Armstrong had something they didnt. BS! that sport was dominated by Europeans for decades until he came along and dominated.

so what if he was using performance drugs to make him stronger and faster. he beat cancer so whatever he was on couldnt have been too unhealthy.... Armstrong didnt take anything more or less then any other professional team did behind the scenes. especially those from countries that have very lax drug laws and administrations. the difference is they dont throw their former teammates under the bus for what they were doing to.

Armstrong cant come out and say "WTF are you talking about you were on the same chit I was on". that would implicate him so the people accusing him have nothing to fear. such a joke. complete railroad....

 

[MelodicMetalGod]

Hey, mabye Lance was pranking his teammates. Ever had a 55 gallon trash can filled with water leaned on your hotel room door? Saran wrapped toilet bowl? How about the ole 'hid the bicycle seat right before a 100 mile sprint' prank? You pull those pranks and then you ALSO have the audacity to win 7 times! No wonder they threw him under the bus!

 

[chrisjp]

Imo.... The man had balls!!!

 

[1busa]

Imo.... The man had balls!!!

Had is the optimum word.....................now he only has 1

 

[cheferman65]

I loved Nike's response when pulling his contract and endorsements.

"We cannot condone the use of questionable and illegal substances" but we sure can justify the the horrible- immoral and disgusting use of underpaid child labor pumping out overpriced sneakers...

The man looses no credibility with me. They all do it. It's all too political and a bunch of BS.

 

[jellyrug]

It's really sad for the sport of cycling.

Pretty sure that before Lance and up to the last tour, non of the top 5 riders conformed 100% to WADA article 2.8, (hereunder)

Lance was the Hero in this sport and unfortunately after the code of silence was broken, he tried to protect this fairy tale right to the end. Once he knew it is all over but for the crying, he said enough of this nonsense, turned his back and walked away. Tough times ahead for him, Nike, Anhauser and others dropped him and once the dust settles, law-suits will follow. Because of his aggressive nature, he is not too popular amongst a lot of folks high up in the cycling community.

One of his former team mates claimed 20%, or 400W to 500W aerobic power improvement with EPO. How does a clean athlete even stand a chance against that?

IMHO, the right thing for WADA, UCI and USADA to do, would have been to protect this fantastic sport, by working together and finding ways to clean it up, rather than do the damage USADA embarked on. Cycling has been damaged badly and it will take time to repair. Do a survey amongst those who are not as serious about cycling as we are and the result would be negative with a loss of interest in the sport, as the result.

WADA code:
2.8 Administration or Attempted administration to any
Athlete In-Competition of any Prohibited Method or
Prohibited Substance, or administration or Attempted
administration to any Athlete Out-of-Competition of
any Prohibited Method or any Prohibited Substance
that is prohibited Out-of-Competition, or assisting,
encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up or any
other type of complicity involving an anti-doping rule
violation or any Attempted anti-doping rule violation.

 

[lil charlie]

Do I think he did it....Yep. Do I think they all did it...Yep. He is the best because of they way his body was built not because he doped...all it did was make a freaking rock star from mars a bit better. I guess he pissed off one too many people so they all turned on him. I still think hes a feaking rock star from mars and dont care one way or another if he did or did not do it...strip him of his title or dont strip him....either way my opinion of him hasnt changed one bit, but then again I dont follow bike racing and couldnt even name one other person in the sport ther than him and Raydog, lol!

 

[VaBusa]

Let's see, you're a pro and famous, you're likely under pressure, as everyone else is around you to PERFORM and WIN and there's tons of $ and endorsements promised...yep, he did it, as well as all others. The only sad part in all of this is that society has created this type of scenario, and then society gets mad?

 

[TallTom]

Did he do it? Yep. Do others do it? Yep. But as someone pointed out in a traffic stop thread, rules are rules. If Lance is allowed to break them and profit from it, then I should also be allowed to. Whether its rules of driving or rules of competition, why should the standards be any different? He was able to fool them for a long time but he got outted by other athletes that got busted.

I believe they made the right choice in stripping him of his wins. I don't think he should step down from his cancer causes. The man survived cancer and returned to win all of these races. That is his legacy, no matter what. Let him be a champion for that. His racing profits and endorsements should be toast.

Come on guys, our kids have to have heroes again. Let's not send a signal to then that its OK to break the rules if you can profit from them.

We can't set rules and then place a double standard on them. If he was right for breaking rules, than so are the rest of us.

 

[VaBusa]

Come on guys, our kids have to have heroes again. Let's not send a signal to then that its OK to break the rules if you can profit from them.

We can't set rules and then place a double standard on them. If he was right for breaking rules, than so are the rest of us.

I'd love for our kids to have heroes like this, but let's face the reality of today's sports figure - it's all about the Benjamins man...pro athletes today make stupid amounts of money, so there's little incentive to actually just be awesome and a great role model; it's so much easier to just do whatever you need to do to get that next great contract. A truly great role model is tough to come by nowadays; they exist, but let's be real here, money talks. Remove the insane salaries and perhaps you'll start to see true athletes again...

 

[StromBusa]

Cheaters never win.... Here is the thing, it is a shame that we spend so much money on sports (directly and indirectly). Our idols should be good motorcycle tuners. Or fantastic teachers, engineers, managers, peeps that help us bring home the bacon. we need to build a competitive culture and get back to kicking financial aZZ. any doubts check Drudge

DRUDGE REPORT 2012®

 

[jellyrug]

We can't set rules and then place a double standard on them. If he was right for breaking rules, than so are the rest of us.

Shhhh. Don't tell anyone, but I also broke the rules. On my Busa, I just could not withstand the temptation and might have gone a bit faster than the posted limits. I was smart enough though, to pass every test, as I know how to do it when the Popo is not looking. I had a bunch of other riders with me, hope they don't break the code of silence .

Just jokin.

 

[HRHDi]

I hate the "don't punish me because everyone else does, too!" excuse. I agree, rules are rules and if you're caught breaking them, you should be punished -eg: NO Saints, NE Patriots, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds. If everyone else is doing it and not getting caught, then that not only makes you a cheater, it makes you stupid.

I hate that Lance cheated. I've always hoped that it wasn't true and just a witch hunt, but turns out that isn't the case. I still cling to the hope that some of my favorite athletes are clean, regardless of how naive that is.

I also agree that heros and role models should be millionaire athletes - even the ones who aren't rapists and criminals - but they should be parents and teachers and police officers and scientists and activists. It's cool if some of theses people also happen to be professional athletes but most of their foundations are set up for tax purposes.

 

[m_ridgeway]

I hate the "don't punish me because everyone else does, too!" excuse. I agree, rules are rules and if you're caught breaking them, you should be punished -eg: NO Saints, NE Patriots, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds. If everyone else is doing it and not getting caught, then that not only makes you a cheater, it makes you stupid.

I hate that Lance cheated. I've always hoped that it wasn't true and just a witch hunt, but turns out that isn't the case. I still cling to the hope that some of my favorite athletes are clean, regardless of how naive that is.

I also agree that heros and role models should be millionaire athletes - even the ones who aren't rapists and criminals - but they should be parents and teachers and police officers and scientists and activists. It's cool if some of theses people also happen to be professional athletes but most of their foundations are set up for tax purposes.

He didn't get caught. I'm sure if we dig through everyones life we would find that they have done some unscrupulous things. the sanctioning agencys never caught him doing anything.

 

[TallTom]

He didn't get caught. I'm sure if we dig through everyones life we would find that they have done some unscrupulous things. the sanctioning agencys never caught him doing anything.

True because he refused to participate. But as I understand it, they as much as had it on video (not really but the evidence seems as good as). He simply refused to be found guilty. If he went forward and was found guilty what was the difference? So HE can claim he isn't guilty? Lance was outted by that cyclist a few years ago. Can't remember his name but he had that huge come from behind win like 2 years ago. I think it was Lemond or something. He was busted for cheating and said the,n he would spell out exactly what he (Armstrong) did as he was doing the exact same thing. He said then, Armstrong was the ringleader for the entire American cycling team and it was widespread and all run by Armstrong.

Armstrong got toasted after years of denying it all. And made millions while doing so.

I believe Armstrong is a good man. Yes he succumbed to the pressure to cheat. And yes the money has created that. I totally agree with all those points.

I hate to think that all of sports has been corrupted but I felt that way long before this. Sad that sports has become such a money industry. But yes that is reality. I stopped paying for the crazy admission and I won't watch it on TV. Which means I don't see the sponsors commercials. That is the only was we can bring about change is to not feed the monster. But for the sports fans, that won't happen. Its like asking them not to breathe.

 

[jellyrug]

He didn't get caught. I'm sure if we dig through everyones life we would find that they have done some unscrupulous things. the sanctioning agencys never caught him doing anything.

Actually, Armstrong did get caught, tested posive for cortisone once, got away with a back dated perscription, got caught a second time testing postive for EPO, it got swept under the carpet by the UCI, after a $100,000 donation from Lance and Johan Bryuneel and although not proven yet, there is talk about a $500,000 donation from Nike to the then head of the UCI. He got caught a third time, after testing for EPO was developed and they tested his old samples. It cot swept under the carpet once again.

 

[TallTom]

I just read the Nike part a bit ago. Now they are dropping Armstrong citing his conduct!!! That will be the last NIKE product I ever buy. Even if its a free T-Shirt.

Hypocrites!!!!!

 

[GNBRETT]

I hate the "don't punish me because everyone else does, too!" excuse.

so does that mean ur not gonna watch professional football this year???? or are you under the assuption they dont use performance enhancing Drugs?