Lance Armstrong

I know I'm not the only one that doesn't have a prolem with steroids.
Why put major leage baseball players in jail for risking their own bodies to provide us with even better entertainment?:laugh:Seriously.
I'm sure a few of the non using athletes in any sport can keep up with others on steroids or whatever drugs.
If not, sit down, someone will come to take their place, guaranteed.
Anyone remember when sports were more exciting without the restrictions of today?
Nascar didn't have restricter plates. Jose Conseco wash crushing home runs.
Mike Tyson was even more awesome!
Thank you guys.
Juice on!:laugh:
And I'm not a Lance Armstrong fan, but the same applies.
Go Lance! F' the establishment:rofl:
 
I know I'm not the only one that doesn't have a prolem with steroids.
Why put major leage baseball players in jail for risking their own bodies to provide us with even better entertainment?:laugh:Seriously.
I'm sure a few of the non using athletes in any sport can keep up with others on steroids or whatever drugs.
If not, sit down, someone will come to take their place, guaranteed.
Anyone remember when sports were more exciting without the restrictions of today?
Nascar didn't have restricter plates. Jose Conseco wash crushing home runs.
Mike Tyson was even more awesome!
Thank you guys.
Juice on!:laugh:
And I'm not a Lance Armstrong fan, but the same applies.
Go Lance! F' the establishment:rofl:
:rofl: so true. professional athletes are there for my entertainment. they do nothing else for me of anyone else on earth then entertain me. anyone who thinks professional athletes are supposed to be roll models are living in a fantasy world.:whistle: parents are roll models NOT professional athletes.

its a job they perform and perform it best with substances that are found in ur body naturally. the funny thing is TEST and HGH are produced NATURALLY so why do people get all up in arms about substances athletes put in their body to perform better simply because their body is no longer producing that chemical like it was when they were younger? its so comical.:rofl:

people should be more concerned about the Alcohol and Cigarettes athletes put in their body vs. steroids and the like cause I can assure you steroids are far less dangerous.
 
How much of youre wealth would you people be willing to spend, or take your lumps and move on. The guy has fought the charges for years, I get tired of customer service arguments after about 2 minutes lol.
I'm not saying hes guilty but to say he was caught is to say nobody else was, the testing is so stringent you can have alot of variances. I can't remember the guys name but he won an olympic gold, was stripped because his test came back hot, the guy they have his medal to failed his test too! It's all smoke and mirrors to make people feel good. Every level of sports uses the drugs and even more people use them recreationally.

If you have a rational bone in your body surely you can see how marijuana/hemp became illegal, steroids is an even larger miscarriage of justice. One day well grow up and realize we shouldn't control people, but I doubt itll be in the next century. if your bored watch "bigger faster stronger" itll give you a one sided view, but there are some good valid points in there.

The thing people should be outraged about should be OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE PAYING FOR THIS! Who would willing donate money to the usada?!?! Nobody thats why they take it lol.
 
its a job they perform and perform it best with substances that are found in ur body naturally. the funny thing is TEST and HGH are produced NATURALLY so why do people get all up in arms about substances athletes put in their body to perform better simply because their body is no longer producing that chemical like it was when they were younger? its so comical.:rofl:
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Reefer madness. Those Drugs are evil I tell ya!
 
How much of youre wealth would you people be willing to spend, or take your lumps and move on. The guy has fought the charges for years, I get tired of customer service arguments after about 2 minutes lol.
I'm not saying hes guilty but to say he was caught is to say nobody else was, the testing is so stringent you can have alot of variances. I can't remember the guys name but he won an olympic gold, was stripped because his test came back hot, the guy they have his medal to failed his test too! It's all smoke and mirrors to make people feel good. Every level of sports uses the drugs and even more people use them recreationally.

If you have a rational bone in your body surely you can see how marijuana/hemp became illegal, steroids is an even larger miscarriage of justice. One day well grow up and realize we shouldn't control people, but I doubt itll be in the next century. if your bored watch "bigger faster stronger" itll give you a one sided view, but there are some good valid points in there.

The thing people should be outraged about should be OUR TAX DOLLARS ARE PAYING FOR THIS! Who would willing donate money to the usada?!?! Nobody thats why they take it lol.
dam that was spot-on.

does anyone really believe that enhancement chemicals were not used by other team members or competitors? so how does that equate to cheating? if Armstrong came out right now and said "Yep, I used all kinds of drugs to enhance my performance". does anyone really believe in their head that he would be the only one???????

athletes are stronger and faster today in every sport including the olympics because of drugs designed to make athletes perform better. the word "Drug" gets this reputation like its Heroin or something....:whistle:

to compete on that level you need those drugs just to stay even let alone get ahead. can you imagine if professional football players didnt take steroids or HGH. :rofl:

I dont understand why people think its "Cheating". how is it cheating when every other member in your sport is using those "Banned" illegal substances as well? maybe Armstrongs banned substances were better then the competitions???? or maybe his body just responded to those substances better then anyone elses....???:idea:

a professional body builder spends about $125k a year on enhancment drugs. does anyone really think that a professional or even top ranked amateur body builder could look or perform the way they do naturally????:rofl: yea ok......:whistle: the top 10 professional body builders all have access to the same performance enhancing drugs but only one is Mr. Universe.

so why is it when a professional athlete like a cyclist uses drugs he is now the DEVIL....:smad:

and as far as "Steroids" go its often associated with Testosterone and how athletes inject Test to make themselves stronger, faster, etc.... yea so what? turn on your TV and it wont be long before a commerical comes on about "Low T" and how you should get urs checked so you can get a script. :whistle:

I wud assume Armstrong spent $500k+ a year on banned substances. maybe he could simply afford better gear.....???

and a sanction against someone does not prove or disprove anything. its simply an opinion. but its an opinion with an agenda which makes it more of a conspiracy to railroad someone vs. accept the fact that they all dope. the USADA has ruined that sport and everything it stood for. Armstrong himself has helped thousands with Livestrong. bounch of haters imo.
 
so does that mean ur not gonna watch professional football this year???? or are you under the assuption they dont use performance enhancing Drugs?

I'm sure there are athletes in every sport who use steroids. I also agree that it's their body and if they want to take the health risks, that's up to them. I also believe that not all of them use steroids. I - again naively - hope that I'm watching a game played by athletes who are where they are by talent and work. Not by chemical enhancement...at least some of the athletes.

My point is that PEDs are against the rules. Using them is cheating just like pass interference and holding or scuffing up a baseball and corking a bat. Make them legal, then we don't have to care. But as long as they're against the rules, enforce it and punish players who use them.
 
Isn't the USADA the COPS of the cycling world? Aren't they just doing their job?

And we are not talking hormone replacement therapy to obtain high normal levels. We are talking the introduction of amounts that no natural human makes.

And the doping method that got Armstrong in trouble. Required transfusing of blood to accomplish. We are not talking shots of Vitamin B-12 here.

I take prescribed weekly injections of testosterone. The vials are handled as a controlled substance. I have to turn in empties, and sign for new ones. Every time. And my levels are tested every month to make sure that I am taking what I signed for. If my levels don't reflect what should be approximate dosage, they won't allow me to have any more. They then make it a "supervised" injection program. Read that as PITA for me.

Testosterone is a naturally occurring hormone. Doesn't mean you should take as much as you want because we already make it. It can do harm if abused.
 
I don't have a problem with the rules are rules and apply to everyone part.
I have a problem with the rule itself.
He took drugs for his cancer... and he took drugs to enhance is abilities too.
It's Your body, it's your choice what you put in it.
Who's upset that records were broken?
"Well, Babe Ruth should still have the homerun per season record! He never used drugs!"....:rofl:
I can't say that he did, but you can't say he didn't. He was the rock star athlete of his day.
You could buy cocaine, and later heroin out of the Sears catalog, syringe included!:rofl: Yes, that is true.
What else do you think went on?
It justs falls into the rest of controlling bodies and polictical correctness bs.
I miss juiced up monsters in sports:laugh:
 
But as long as they're against the rules, enforce it and punish players who use them.
the prblem is they CHOSE to regulate some sports and not others. Ill agree that not every professional athlete uses enhancement drugs but you can bet that all top cyclists do and so does every professional linebacker in the NFL.

you say health risks? there is not always a health risk with enhancment drugs. in fact, id say that is just the opposite. take HGH for example..... it makes you heal faster, stronger muscles so yo dont get injured, an increase energy and stamina, improved deep restful sleep, decreased fat, strengthened immune system, healthier bones, lower blood pressure, etc.... nothing unhealth about that. and what is unhealthy about Lance Armstrong????

the reason a lot of professional athletes take these drugs is to prolong their career. not to simply have an edge. that's a misconception many people have and it couldnt be further from the truth.
 
Really I'd like to hear how can you take in too much water under natural circumstances? I'm not talking in case of drowning here.
consuming too much water will cause you to go into a Coma. the first reported death from Xtacy was from a girl so consumed too much water cause she thought she needed to keep consuming water and her brain swelled and she went into a coma and died.

ANYTHING is excess can be harmful. when monitored by profesionals like Armstrong was there was nothing dangerous about anything he consumed or any other cyclist at that time or today.
 
Isn't the USADA the COPS of the cycling world? Aren't they just doing their job?

And we are not talking hormone replacement therapy to obtain high normal levels. We are talking the introduction of amounts that no natural human makes.

And the doping method that got Armstrong in trouble. Required transfusing of blood to accomplish. We are not talking shots of Vitamin B-12 here.

I take prescribed weekly injections of testosterone. The vials are handled as a controlled substance. I have to turn in empties, and sign for new ones. Every time. And my levels are tested every month to make sure that I am taking what I signed for. If my levels don't reflect what should be approximate dosage, they won't allow me to have any more. They then make it a "supervised" injection program. Read that as PITA for me.

Testosterone is a naturally occurring hormone. Doesn't mean you should take as much as you want because we already make it. It can do harm if abused.
I would suggest you get a new doctor....:whistle: I know plenty of people who are on legally on Test from their doctor and I have never ever heard of anyone having to get blood work every month to monitor their Test. thats retarded! find a new doctor!

opiates are controlled substances as well and I have never heard of anyone who has to check their opiate levels tested every month to ensure ur taking the proper dosage.

if you take all ur test at once or take it weekly at the end of the month ur not gonna have any more or less test levels so why they would make you test monthly is unknown to me.

and ive never heard af anyone having to return their test bottles either. what are you gonna sell the empty bottles....:whistle: get a new doctor!
 
Thank you for the link. Indeed water can be overdone. So anything overdone can be deadly. Not sure what you mean by show me a test that has killed someone. The purpose of a test is to evaluate what is there, not kill the source it is taken from. They can run post morten test to see what killed the former life.

So is the point you guys are trying to make is, let anyone competing, do what they like to enhance themselves? Do you believe everyone should have access to the same things to equalize the competition? I think I understand that the cycling (or pick any sport) community has rules for artificially enhancing one's ability to perform. Are you for or against that principle?

I really am serious when I say I don't follow sports. I became disenchanted with it years ago. For me it was the stupid amounts of money that became part of it. So I don't see day to day or week to week what is going on. What I am hearing here is no matter what, they have to do this to be competitive and therefore get paid more. So is the next step, abolish all the rules for holding, pass interference, etc. These actions should be allowed to make it more competitive. Who cares if they break the guys neck from clothes lining him to get a tackle. As long as they win......right?

The latest craze seems to be MMA now. Do they drug test there? The few I have seen seem to be pretty much anything goes street brawling with pads on. Cept it looks like you can't kick him in the nads. Stupid a** rules.
 
Not sure what you mean by show me a test that has killed someone.
I think he meant TEST as in Testoserone.... no one can overdoes with TEST and its one of the most common DRUGs used by athletes both professional and recreational.
 
Thank you for the link. Indeed water can be overdone. So anything overdone can be deadly. Not sure what you mean by show me a test that has killed someone. The purpose of a test is to evaluate what is there, not kill the source it is taken from. They can run post morten test to see what killed the former life.

So is the point you guys are trying to make is, let anyone competing, do what they like to enhance themselves? Do you believe everyone should have access to the same things to equalize the competition? I think I understand that the cycling (or pick any sport) community has rules for artificially enhancing one's ability to perform. Are you for or against that principle?

I really am serious when I say I don't follow sports. I became disenchanted with it years ago. For me it was the stupid amounts of money that became part of it. So I don't see day to day or week to week what is going on. What I am hearing here is no matter what, they have to do this to be competitive and therefore get paid more. So is the next step, abolish all the rules for holding, pass interference, etc. These actions should be allowed to make it more competitive. Who cares if they break the guys neck from clothes lining him to get a tackle. As long as they win......right?

The latest craze seems to be MMA now. Do they drug test there? The few I have seen seem to be pretty much anything goes street brawling with pads on. Cept it looks like you can't kick him in the nads. Stupid a** rules.
I think you have a misunderstanding about drugs and professional athletes. its as common as drinking gatorade.

and no they do not drug test in the MMA. again, drugs make them stronger, heal faster and less prone to injury. ALL win-wins.

you cant strike to the back of the head or knee when someone to the head who has one hand on the ground or poke eyes or grap the fence or hold someones shirt etc.... there are plenty of rules in MMA that protect the other fighter. its FAR from anything goes like it use to be when the MMA came onto the scene in the mid 90's where there basically were no rules.

abolishing the rules ilike holding, pass interference, etc... is apples to oranges when talkn about performance enhancing drugs cause lets face it the tests are not accurate and you can clearly SEE when someone holds or interfers with a pass in football. you cant SEE that a drug test missed what the athlete was on and the USADA admits their tests are not very accurate.
 
Isn't the USADA the COPS of the cycling world? Aren't they just doing their job?


Not just in cycling, in all sports.

For cycling they follow WADA rules. The problem with them just doing their job, is the way it was done. Tygart handled this as a personal vendetta towards Lance. The thing is in the Tour De France everyone is suspected of doping and there have been many 6 month and 2 year suspensions. The right thing to have done would be to penalize Lance the same way the others were penalized, while arranging a truth commisiion with UCI, WADA and other to get everyones problems out in the open, towards cleaning the sport and introducing measures to keep it clean. Also to remove the corruption. Dr. Ferrari is now up for tax evation of $40 million, made out of doping revenues in sport, Alexander Vinikourof, gold medalist is now linked to Ferrari, so this whole sport is a mess. Rather than make Lance the scapegoat, give him the same treatment and work with everyone to clean up the sport. It is so bad, if they strip Lance of his 7 titles, they have to leave the space blank, as the next 5 names are also tainted.

Lance Armstrong's Doctor Linked To More Cyclists, Olympic Champ Alexandre Vinokourov: REPORT
 
I would suggest you get a new doctor....:whistle: I know plenty of people who are on legally on Test from their doctor and I have never ever heard of anyone having to get blood work every month to monitor their Test. thats retarded! find a new doctor!

opiates are controlled substances as well and I have never heard of anyone who has to check their opiate levels tested every month to ensure ur taking the proper dosage.

if you take all ur test at once or take it weekly at the end of the month ur not gonna have any more or less test levels so why they would make you test monthly is unknown to me.

and ive never heard af anyone having to return their test bottles either. what are you gonna sell the empty bottles....:whistle: get a new doctor!

No you turn in the empties so they A) know you aren't selling it instead of putting it in your body and B)taking it as prescribed. I can't call 2 weeks early saying I need more, unless the blood test support it. If my levels are lower, the doctor can see this, and then I would get more dosage. I take 2CCs per week intramuscular, with a .6CC time release patch replaced every 24 hours.

Testosterone is a controlled substance, so it doesn't get ABUSED.

I actually have a valid medical reason why I have my blood levels monitored. Due to an internal head injury I sustained in a car wreck about 15 years ago, my Pituitary gland has formed a mass on it. Thereby causing it's output hormones to be diminished. Therefore my body doesn't receive the full signal to make it. If I don't take it, I have lots of other ripple effects. My blood pressure is taken twice weekly, my blood level is monitored monthly, my meds are taken daily and weekly, my refills are issued monthly. If my Pituitary gland output changes, then I would need to make adjustments again.

Now the side effects of too much testosterone are many. I'll start with what I expect will be the most important one to most of you. Your nads shrink and die. They simply stop making it and have no more use to produce. Called Hypogonadism. Past that your red blood cell count is directly related to T levels. So is blood pressure, heart and kidney functions, oxygen transfers, joint lubrication. Ability to concentrate, exert physical activity, recovery from such. Its a long list that I won't bore you with.

They actually have seen elevated T causes more crime, more violence, more spousal abuse etc. Too much can be bad news in many ways. Each of us are unique in what we need. I can tell you I am levels that exceed what bodybuilders use. I am at higher levels of use than a female transgender uses to become and stay male. Yet with my augments, my end levels of T are within normal levels expected for males. I use a lot more than the norm and my body has a dysfunctional Pituitary gland. This is why we have a medical community.

My blood is monitored to ensure that all is in balance. I am adding to my reduced naturally produced levels by supplementing what ISN'T being made naturally. My doctor has given me a closely monitored good quality of life as a result of tweaking these levels over a 3 year period of time. I like the result just fine. I felt like he** for about 5 years before they worked me up. There were days when I considered not getting out of bed as an alternative to what would feel worse by getting up. For a period of time, while we were trying to find the "right" level, I had too high a level. I know what too much did to me. Now I feel great!

Athletes are the ones boosting themselves past anything normal, in order to make a ton of money. And they have to outdo the next guy to make more than him. They have to cheat the system anyway they can, for your entertainment. To me that is retarded. And they can't do what they do unless they have corrupted doctors they can buy off, or they do it on their own by buying it out of the trunk of a guy in the parking lot of the gym.

Go ahead keep taking all you want.
 
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