Lightweight guys: Where are you using aluminum?

[SS4Luck]

I think you have shown the Gen3's potential more than anyone without opening the engine or boost.
I know you said you're going turbo; but what are the odds of you trying Gen2 cam(s) first?
I know the Gen3 throttle bodies are smaller too(3mm??), so still a restriction there.
I read several things on potential Gen3 cam swaps months ago, but have yet to hear anymore about it.
I think that's what alot of us want to know too; can a flash, stacks, pipe, And cams bring Gen2 top-end to the Gen3, Without a big loss elsewhere in the rpms?
And since you're one of our few resident high speed R&D Gen3 test guys here, well...
lol

I’ve thought about Gen 2 swap stuff before. And if I had a little more time for motor out wrenching I might have tried it, but at this point if the motor comes out of the frame I’m going right to the rod/piston/ported head/boost cams I have planned for next year. My turbo kit is already in discussion/fab work started and I’m going to run low boost stock motor till next spring/summer then build the motor and turn it up. The people that would know that I have talked to say Gen 2 stuff works just fine in Gen 3, but at that point why swapnGen 2 stock cams into a Gen 3 when you can put cams that make actual power into them at which point it’s a cammed busa, not a gen 3 with gen 2 cams.


Now the TB stuff is something I’ve gone back and forth with a few members on and I may send mine out to be ported before boost. My Maxx tune is just about dialed in, and I could put them on, let auto tune do it’s magic, and get quick results for how much faster/how much more fuel it needed without having to start from scratch. On the flip side of the TB arguement. 650ib is making like 275 wheel with his 1600 on stock TB. Evan from EJR is making gif knows how much with Jigsaw, and I’d imagine 280+‘with Biscuits 1441 on stock TBs so I can’t see it making a HIGE impact, but for a couple hundred bucks I’m starting to be open to the idea of trying

 

[SS4Luck]

I think that's what alot of us want to know too; can a flash, stacks, pipe, And cams bring Gen2 top-end to the Gen3, Without a big loss elsewhere in the rpms?
And since you're one of our few resident high speed R&D Gen3 test guys here, well...
lol

I can tell you my Gen 3 vs a comparably
Modded Gen 2 wins 80% of the time into 5th gear (40-160ish) 1-2 goes to the gen 3, 3rd is 50/50, 4th the gen to starts to pull back, 5th the gen two just barely passes me. 1-2 my bike is out 1-1.5 lengths. When I grab 5th my buddy isn’t quite to my swing arm pivot and at the top of 5th I’m at his swingarm pivot. We’ve swapped bikes, same outcome. I don’t consider myself anything better than a slightly above average rider, both bikes in 91oct pump gas, both bikes sub 450 lbs that 40-130 in the high 3s.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

Hi. Do not run aluminum rotors on the street. If they would work on the street I would have Carbon Carbon rotors.

Hi. I will be using an aluminum rear rotor on the street but this is not an evey day riden bike. I wish I had more money as I would have F1 parts tech. Like AM 162 Albe Met metal matrex.

 

[michael parris heuberger]

Hi. I will be using an aluminum rear rotor on the street but this is not an evey day riden bike. I wish I had more money as I would have F1 parts tech. Like AM 162 Albe Met metal matrex.

Hi. I also have an Inconel header and exaus vslves.. My Garrett G42-1200C turbo and intake is 60 lbs. If I could afford it I would have the turbo made out of Ti and Carbon Fiber.

 

[Robert 0046]

I’ve thought about Gen 2 swap stuff before. And if I had a little more time for motor out wrenching I might have tried it, but at this point if the motor comes out of the frame I’m going right to the rod/piston/ported head/boost cams I have planned for next year. My turbo kit is already in discussion/fab work started and I’m going to run low boost stock motor till next spring/summer then build the motor and turn it up. The people that would know that I have talked to say Gen 2 stuff works just fine in Gen 3, but at that point why swapnGen 2 stock cams into a Gen 3 when you can put cams that make actual power into them at which point it’s a cammed busa, not a gen 3 with gen 2 cams.


Now the TB stuff is something I’ve gone back and forth with a few members on and I may send mine out to be ported before boost. My Maxx tune is just about dialed in, and I could put them on, let auto tune do it’s magic, and get quick results for how much faster/how much more fuel it needed without having to start from scratch. On the flip side of the TB arguement. 650ib is making like 275 wheel with his 1600 on stock TB. Evan from EJR is making gif knows how much with Jigsaw, and I’d imagine 280+‘with Biscuits 1441 on stock TBs so I can’t see it making a HIGE impact, but for a couple hundred bucks I’m starting to be open to the idea of trying

Hi @SS4Luck be sure to verify because i think ive heard in the tune video of the 650i Gen3 they are using a ported TB

 

[Robert 0046]

Hi @SS4Luck be sure to verify because i think ive heard in the tune video of the 650i Gen3 they are using a ported TB

Minute 2:28 from this video

 

[Robert 0046]

About the thread aluminum i ordered the subframe once it gets here i will be mounting it

 

[pcs]

I’ve thought about Gen 2 swap stuff before. And if I had a little more time for motor out wrenching I might have tried it, but at this point if the motor comes out of the frame I’m going right to the rod/piston/ported head/boost cams I have planned for next year. My turbo kit is already in discussion/fab work started and I’m going to run low boost stock motor till next spring/summer then build the motor and turn it up. The people that would know that I have talked to say Gen 2 stuff works just fine in Gen 3, but at that point why swapnGen 2 stock cams into a Gen 3 when you can put cams that make actual power into them at which point it’s a cammed busa, not a gen 3 with gen 2 cams.


Now the TB stuff is something I’ve gone back and forth with a few members on and I may send mine out to be ported before boost. My Maxx tune is just about dialed in, and I could put them on, let auto tune do it’s magic, and get quick results for how much faster/how much more fuel it needed without having to start from scratch. On the flip side of the TB arguement. 650ib is making like 275 wheel with his 1600 on stock TB. Evan from EJR is making gif knows how much with Jigsaw, and I’d imagine 280+‘with Biscuits 1441 on stock TBs so I can’t see it making a HIGE impact, but for a couple hundred bucks I’m starting to be open to the idea of trying

ever heard of sand bagging a stock ported TB still looks stock. they need to find a balance between sharing content for views and not giving out too many secrets so they can maintain an edge in racing.

 

[SS4Luck]

ever heard of sand bagging a stock ported TB still looks stock. they need to find a balance between sharing content for views and not giving out too many secrets so they can maintain an edge in racing.

I’ve taken that into consideration too lol.

Our conversation is what’s leading me toward porting mine just for fun. Especially now that I do my own tuning and can post for sure specifically where the TBs are or aren’t helping.

 

[GIXERHP]

Titanium

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[SS4Luck]

Titanium

Titanium Hardware

saeoutlawperformance.com

We’ve talked about a lot of those parts in the ti thread. I’m waiting on header studs until my turbo manifold gets here