Marriage or Relationship with a Significant Other ...

Brothers, for 30+ years I have endeavored to understand, nay, appreciate the biggest of life's mysteries: Women.

I have failed.

Life is pretty good: Careers are not untolerable, kids are functioning on their own, nice little house with central heat, have a bit of cushion in the bank. And yet. Mrs. LC4 has these periods where she will death-spiral about perceived issues from the past or present with impressive venom (this is consistent from day one). She will never forget or forgive. One never knows when the touch-paper will be lit. I'm over it.

We've all heard of the relationship failures where there was this absolute pivotal event that changed everything (infidelity or something). But, I think, most relationships fail because the couple is no longer getting along. That's where we're at.

The question: At what point in a marriage, do we call it? When is "enough is enough?"
 
Brothers, for 30+ years I have endeavored to understand, nay, appreciate the biggest of life's mysteries: Women.

I have failed.

Life is pretty good: Careers are not untolerable, kids are functioning on their own, nice little house with central heat, have a bit of cushion in the bank. And yet. Mrs. LC4 has these periods where she will death-spiral about perceived issues from the past or present with impressive venom (this is consistent from day one). She will never forget or forgive. One never knows when the touch-paper will be lit. I'm over it.

We've all heard of the relationship failures where there was this absolute pivotal event that changed everything (infidelity or something). But, I think, most relationships fail because the couple is no longer getting along. That's where we're at.

The question: At what point in a marriage, do we call it? When is "enough is enough?"
So through all that am I understanding that you no longer need a bike with a rear seat?
 
Brothers, for 30+ years I have endeavored to understand, nay, appreciate the biggest of life's mysteries: Women.

I have failed.

Life is pretty good: Careers are not untolerable, kids are functioning on their own, nice little house with central heat, have a bit of cushion in the bank. And yet. Mrs. LC4 has these periods where she will death-spiral about perceived issues from the past or present with impressive venom (this is consistent from day one). She will never forget or forgive. One never knows when the touch-paper will be lit. I'm over it.

We've all heard of the relationship failures where there was this absolute pivotal event that changed everything (infidelity or something). But, I think, most relationships fail because the couple is no longer getting along. That's where we're at.

The question: At what point in a marriage, do we call it? When is "enough is enough?"

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Brothers, for 30+ years I have endeavored to understand, nay, appreciate the biggest of life's mysteries: Women.

I have failed.

Life is pretty good: Careers are not untolerable, kids are functioning on their own, nice little house with central heat, have a bit of cushion in the bank. And yet. Mrs. LC4 has these periods where she will death-spiral about perceived issues from the past or present with impressive venom (this is consistent from day one). She will never forget or forgive. One never knows when the touch-paper will be lit. I'm over it.

We've all heard of the relationship failures where there was this absolute pivotal event that changed everything (infidelity or something). But, I think, most relationships fail because the couple is no longer getting along. That's where we're at.

The question: At what point in a marriage, do we call it? When is "enough is enough?"

I normally wouldn't quote an entire post, just the relevant portions. Sadly this is ALL relevant, and all to common.
I think relationships fail because of selfishness, neither wants to give, and that probably because of the role changes between the sexes. I won't go into women's liberation, which is a big part of it, because I don't want to give the impression I think it was a failure. I certainly think it was a failure for society, but not for men, not individually. It was a boon for men, they were freed form the age old bondage of having to care for a woman all her life. My father, thankfully, stayed with my mother till his end, but what a sacrifice! He was a young man just home from WWII when they met, she a pretty 17yo, he a handsome guy with a good job and a motorcycle. She fell pregnant and because of the mores back then Marriage was mandatory.

And that was it! His life was over, because he wasn't a stay-put homebody, love the kids type at all but just wanted to ride. Well he sold the bike and bought a car and spent the better part of his life in a house with 4 kids that had stolen the love of his wife. Oh she still loved him, but with only a part of her being, which is what always happens of course. He became a wage slave for 4 hungry rebellious mouths he resented, he had no life of his own bar the TV set and some rusting tools in the garage. By a stoke of pure luck my marriage ended after 3 years and I was free, free before I was 30. Since then I have had a string of relationships, sexual predominantly, and the last ended a year ago. So now I'm 62 with my own home and lots of motorcycles and I can stay up till 3am and do what I like, no one asking me where I'm going and how long I'll be, no "You're late? No, moody standoffs for days, no angry confrontations.

I'll never get another woman, it would be easy, even a younger one and the last was only 50 but they all have one thing in mind. Security, a home to call "THEIR" own. A friend had an attractive 30yo Ecuadorian girl he'd married, she was ideal, until her name was on the house, then it was all over poor bastard. Girls fall in love with young bad boys and men with assets lol. Ah well, such is life. As for your personal problems Carl, what can you do but suck it up or bail. I was filling up the car a year ago and got chatting at the pump with an older guy in a marriage similar to yours, he hated her basically and she him but they stayed together because of the house, neither wanted to lose it. I said cut your losses and go mate, but he couldn't. I'd have done it in a heartbeat! Another good mate, 40 years married got sick of his wife bitching every time he went to the bowls club for some rums. He didn't play, it was just the local watering hole. She knew there were attractive younger women there and hated him for having fun.

So he lost it one day, grew some balls and said we'll sell the house and go our separate ways. Well she freaked out at that and soon he was getting lots of sex, so much sex he lost interest in the bowls club HaHaHA. And then, believe it or not, she talked him into putting the home in the kids names because they were then living at his mothers looking after her. The poor bastard fell for it and as soon as the papers were signed the sex stopped. Now no sex, no house, just his mum and a fat wife. We used to ride together in our teens and early twenties. That all stopped when he got married. He drives a Camry now, and owns nothing but some old cloths an iphone and some cheap tools. When we shared together in our twenties he had a new bike and a half-cabin runabout with a 60hp on the back. Early 80's. He sold the boat to pay for the marriage and the honeymoon in Britain. She fell preggo there and started putting on weight. He loved his kids for sure, but they became his life, he lost whatever life he'd had before. Now all he talks about is what the kids are up to, you know. Their jobs, their homes etc. I have a kid too but he lives his own life, we catch up from time to time but I have my own so I don't need to live his with him.
 
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Some guys chuck it all and move to a country where they are appreciated and can relax.
The Philippines is such a place. An older out of shape guy here in the States who can’t get a younger woman’s attention can go there and be treated like a rock star.
A lot of these women are uneducated and vapid but isn’t that a bonus in a way?
They want to have fun and live for the moment. They don’t carry around grudges and resentments like Western women do, and analyze everything you do and say.

Of course there are pitfalls which I’d be happy to go into if you want. But it’s worth considering in my opinion if you want a complete change and really want to have fun in the remaining years of your life.
Here’s a vid to show you what it can be like. This guy is having a ball.

 
I normally wouldn't quote an entire post, just the relevant portions. Sadly this is ALL relevant, and all to common.
I think relationships fail because of selfishness, neither wants to give, and that probably because of the role changes between the sexes. I won't go into women's liberation, which is a big part of it, because I don't want to give the impression I think it was a failure. I certainly think it was a failure for society, but not for men, not individually. It was a boon for men, they were freed form the age old bondage of having to care for a woman all her life. My father, thankfully, stayed with my mother till his end, but what a sacrifice! He was a young man just home from WWII when they met, she a pretty 17yo, he a handsome guy with a good job and a motorcycle. She fell pregnant and because of the mores back then Marriage was mandatory.

And that was it! His life was over, because he wasn't a stay-put homebody, love the kids type at all but just wanted to ride. Well he sold the bike and bought a car and spent the better part of his life in a house with 4 kids that had stolen the love of his wife. Oh she still loved him, but with only a part of her being, which is what always happens of course. He became a wage slave for 4 hungry rebellious mouths he resented, he had no life of his own bar the TV set and some rusting tools in the garage. By a stoke of pure luck my marriage ended after 3 years and I was free, free before I was 30. Since then I have had a string of relationships, sexual predominantly, and the last ended a year ago. So now I'm 62 with my own home and lots of motorcycles and I can stay up till 3am and do what I like, no one asking me where I'm going and how long I'll be, no "You're late? No, moody standoffs for days, no angry confrontations.

I'll never get another woman, it would be easy, even a younger one and the last was only 50 but they all have one thing in mind. Security, a home to call "THEIR" own. A friend had an attractive 30yo Ecuadorian girl he'd married, she was ideal, until her name was on the house, then it was all over poor bastard. Girls fall in love with young bad boys and men with assets lol. Ah well, such is life. As for your personal problems Carl, what can you do but suck it up or bail. I was filling up the car a year ago and got chatting at the pump with an older guy in a marriage similar to yours, he hated her basically and she him but they stayed together because of the house, neither wanted to lose it. I said cut your losses and go mate, but he couldn't. I'd have done it in a heartbeat! Another good mate, 40 years married got sick of his wife bitching every time he went to the bowls club for some rums. He didn't play, it was just the local watering hole. She knew there were attractive younger women there and hated him for having fun.

So he lost it one day, grew some balls and said we'll sell the house and go our separate ways. Well she freaked out at that and soon he was getting lots of sex, so much sex he lost interest in the bowls club HaHaHA. And then, believe it or not, she talked him into putting the home in the kids names because they were then living at his mothers looking after her. The poor bastard fell for it and as soon as the papers were signed the sex stopped. Now no sex, no house, just his mum and a fat wife. We used to ride together in our teens and early twenties. That all stopped when he got married. He drives a Camry now, and owns nothing but some old cloths an iphone and some cheap tools. When we shared together in our twenties he had a new bike and a half-cabin runabout with a 60hp on the back. Early 80's. He sold the boat to pay for the marriage and the honeymoon in Britain. She fell preggo there and started putting on weight. He loved his kids for sure, but they became his life, he lost whatever life he'd had before. Now all he talks about is what the kids are up to, you know. Their jobs, their homes etc. I have a kid too but he lives his own life, we catch up from time to time but I have my own so I don't need to live his with him.

Thx boss. Good stuff.
 
Some guys chuck it all and move to a country where they are appreciated and can relax.
The Philippines is such a place. An older out of shape guy here in the States who can’t get a younger woman’s attention can go there and be treated like a rock star.
True enough. If I want sex though I can buy a young woman here for a couple of hundred a throw. But I won't, libido is low now, let sleeping dogs lie. There is nothing else I would do in life that would be enhanced by a woman's company. Nothing! They are just so much baggage, doubling the cost of anything you want to do. Restaurants motels, and they always want to eat out somewhere fancy, go on expensive holidays.
Give me a bedroll and a can of span, the open road and a motel room when I get too smelly. :beerchug:
 
Why is that so many men don't understand women?
It is so simple.
Once you realize that they have no idea what they really want, they can change randomly at any moment, and you need not be suprised by anything that they do...ever...then once you accept that and are prepared for it...then you take nothing personally and nothing bothers you anymore.
Once my ex found out I knew this...she threw in the towel...as she knew she couldn't win/break me.
Lmao...Truth!
 
The 'silent treatment' is one of my favorites.
This is awesome, peace and quiet, drama free day...and she thinks that she's somehow getting to me.
Lmao...parlor tricks.
But, that was the ex, God bless her, and we get along fine now, lol.
I remarried after a few years, and this one is amazing...as she knows I know this.
She still has female moments, woman crazies, but I let them pass, and all is well again, lol.
 
True enough. If I want sex though I can buy a young woman here for a couple of hundred a throw. But I won't, libido is low now, let sleeping dogs lie. There is nothing else I would do in life that would be enhanced by a woman's company. Nothing! They are just so much baggage, doubling the cost of anything you want to do. Restaurants motels, and they always want to eat out somewhere fancy, go on expensive holidays.
Give me a bedroll and a can of span, the open road and a motel room when I get too smelly. :beerchug:
It’s not so much about sex as it is living a carefree life and enjoying every day.
The troubles of our world go away in places like that.
 
The 'silent treatment' is one of my favorites.
This is awesome, peace and quiet, drama free day...and she thinks that she's somehow getting to me.
Lmao...parlor tricks.
But, that was the ex, God bless her, and we get along fine now, lol.
I remarried after a few years, and this one is amazing.
Yeah I should have qualified what I said, there is that one in 20 or one in a hundred that makes the endeavor worth while. I had a couple of those girls and looking back I say, what if? What if I'd have hung onto them rather than letting them go like an old motorcycle? Then I say, well there was a reason I went the other way, I must be that sort of guy, a loner type, that just wanted more space than any woman could live with. I'm pretty sure that's the case now.
I love having the home to myself, the driveways to myself and I love the night, I love just being alone working on some project or just sitting behind a telescope looking at the stars while everyone else is asleep. My favorite time to ride a pushbike (mountain bike) is 2 or 3am when I have the rural blacktop all to myself aside from the odd kangaroo or fox I see. And I love not having a TV blaring all night! I never watch the crap and never met a woman that didn't. I suppose if I had been born 500 years ago I'd have become a Monk.
 
Yeah I should have qualified what I said, there is that one in 20 or one in a hundred that makes the endeavor worth while. I had a couple of those girls and looking back I say, what if? What if I'd have hung onto them rather than letting them go like an old motorcycle? Then I say, well there was a reason I went the other way, I must be that sort of guy, a loner type, that just wanted more space than any woman could live with. I'm pretty sure that's the case now.
I love having the home to myself, the driveways to myself and I love the night, I love just being alone working on some project or just sitting behind a telescope looking at the stars while everyone else is asleep. My favorite time to ride a pushbike (mountain bike) is 2 or 3am when I have the rural blacktop all to myself aside from the odd kangaroo or fox I see. And I love not having a TV blaring all night! I never watch the crap and never met a woman that didn't. I suppose if I had been born 500 years ago I'd have become a Monk.

I'm alot like that myself, but my wife is usually in bed by 9pm...10 on a late late night, lol.
Either way, she is no bother, and I work on my bikes to 2am or later sometimes.
So I am fortunate to have a great relationship...but still have my time to myself to wrench, ride, or whatever.
She likes to ride too, but has no problem with me riding by myself whenever I want.
She is definately a rarity, and a blessing...especially these days.
 
I know a guy who has been with his lady for 40 yrs now and they have never lived together, she has her own house and he his, they sleep over sometimes and vacation together and are exclusive to each other but have never lived together and are as happy as can be....

He said they get together pretty much every day but do their own thing, they have meals together as their houses are within the same block.



He has probably 40 different Honda bikes....at one time he was an executive with Honda powersports and has a deep connection with them still.

He even has a couple prototypes that never made it into production...one was an early 2000's Hawk 400 V twin with a single sided swing arm and was black with gold rims and accents....it was a sweet little bike with no VIN stamp.....He has a couple '80s Honda CX turbo bikes and one that is a stripped down naked prototype that never made it into production and no VIN either...

Don't know where he got them and didn't ask....
 
Yep, whatever makes you happy is what you should do, right?
I was married for 10 years to a “Western” woman who couldn’t get over some aspects of her childhood and developed a minor drinking problem.
After we divorced I didn’t want to be alone but also didn’t want to make the same mistake twice so I joined a penpal club and married a beautiful Filipina.
She was raised in poverty but gets up with a smile on her face every day. It’s the kind of smile that melts your heart. Her voice is soft and she is the kindest person I’ve ever met.

She’s not focused on the bad things in life like wife #1 was. Instead she is lighthearted and happy.
 
I have had several very special relationships through all the decades.

Sadly, they never last much longer than a decade though and it takes time to get over each loss.

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