Motorcycle Safety Topic of the Week
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I used the "push/pull" method on my FZ1 with success. The seating position on the Busa makes the push method much more effective, and I adopted that automatically. I agree with the statement about learning something new about riding as often as possible. I'm always open to suggestions and ideas.
Great tips on safety riding especially for the busas rider.I took the basic safety riding course at Pasir Gudang last year and it really helps on the technic and skills even though the wheelbase for busa's is quite long.Maybe if there is more courses like this i can keep eveyone updated,or you could visit http://cruzwheels.com for more info
coach thanks for tips this one especially mackes sense, I've signed up for my MSF course May27-29, I guess this is obvious to everyone, but please bear with me, how do you pick yourself and the bike back up from a lean?
do u have to pull up on the bar closest to the ground after adjusting your body in a more vertical position?
I'm sure the course will cover this, but just wanted to know.
thanks.
do u have to pull up on the bar closest to the ground after adjusting your body in a more vertical position?
I'm sure the course will cover this, but just wanted to know.
thanks.
SpeedyMick
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In Ireland, you have to watch the surface of the road for potholes and loose stones etc,so you cannot take the "best" line around bends.
I have been riding for years,and if asked what way do I get around bends, I do not have an answer,but I must be doing something right.
On the matter of braking on the busa : the front does not lock up,but the rear does lock.
I find the best way to get the speed down is to use the gears along with the brakes.
I have been riding for years,and if asked what way do I get around bends, I do not have an answer,but I must be doing something right.
On the matter of braking on the busa : the front does not lock up,but the rear does lock.
I find the best way to get the speed down is to use the gears along with the brakes.
excellent advice coach! One more piece to add; When riding a late model sportbike, it is also entrance speed is also crucial, get all the slowin' down done before you initiate the turn. New riders sometime have no conception of speed, even us old hands can go in too hot sometimes.
i think that widening 1 is very silly acturly,coz when i was with sam advance they teach you to ride around the outside of the corner so you can see more of whats happening in front and you get a wider view.
how do you know if you have got a sharp corner comming up?
easy coz the 2 curbs on both sides of the road meet (true fact).
we all use 6th gear but really if you wanted more control of ya bike you should use 5th,coz the power is there if you need it,and it will slow you down faster than 6th if its needed.(true fact)
counter steering is best way of getting round those sharp corners,but not for all corners (turn about 5to 10 mill max different way to corner).
always look ahead of where ur heading so you can see all thats happening.(some riders look down near front wheel,well you aint gonna see a car stoped waiting to turn like that.
how do you know if you have got a sharp corner comming up?
easy coz the 2 curbs on both sides of the road meet (true fact).
we all use 6th gear but really if you wanted more control of ya bike you should use 5th,coz the power is there if you need it,and it will slow you down faster than 6th if its needed.(true fact)
counter steering is best way of getting round those sharp corners,but not for all corners (turn about 5to 10 mill max different way to corner).
always look ahead of where ur heading so you can see all thats happening.(some riders look down near front wheel,well you aint gonna see a car stoped waiting to turn like that.
Hi I also teach rider training in Canada and when you say push down for counter steering or push steering I do believe you mean to push forward in that direction not down. When you roll on and off the gas it's called throttle steering. I believe you teach some what the same things as we do. Just woundering if you teach things like the complex curve and obsticles.
Mark
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Actually we teach Press. Push is normally taken as push foward only. So during training we enforce PRESS. Press in the direction you want to go. So it is actually a press down and slightly foward. The foward motion is natural when pressing down. So we dont really get to much into it during the Basic Riders course. We do teach obstacles and cornering techniques. In the advanced classes we do get into more complex cornering. If your curious on our teaching check out MSF (motorcycle safety foundaiton) www.msf-usa.org
press down on the hand grip in the direction you want to go.
This is true to an extent, but needs to be explained to new riders that "down" doesn't mean down towards the ground, but as you have explained, counter steering, steering in the opposite direction that you want to go. They didn't explain that to my wife which is part of the reason she had an accident. She went into a corner a little hot. She was pushing "down" on her handlebar but it didn't turn in so she paniced and made a few of the common mistakes, braking in a corner which stood up her bike, target fixation, worried about running off the road which made it all worse until she went down. Helmet saved her life. When she explained to me what she did I told her you don't push "down", you counter-steer and explained it to her. She of course said that is what her instructor told her to do. Well the next time we went for a ride and she tried "counter-steering" she was amazed at how fast and well the biked turned. The first thing out of her mouth when we stopped is that they should make that clear in class.
Keith Code did an experiment where he afixed another set of handlebars that were stationary to use when the riders got over 20 mph that had a throttle on them and challenged riders who said that they can turn by leaning, pushing on the foot pegs, pushing down on the bars, etc... to do it. Of course these techniques would make the bike start to slowly turn, but could not take a corner.
I had to throw in my .02 here and thank you for giving out soud advice. I read the forum all the time and focus but on it as I ride. This weekend was no differant and thank god I read this area a few weeks back. I was riding in the San Fransisco bay area playing with an R-1. We have serveral freeways to manuver through to get to the Bay bridge and alot of corners. I had to be inthe front since I was on the Busa and we never loose to anything. How stupid is that thinking .. I got myself into a few corners and powered through ok till the long right hand turn. It was too late to let off the gas so I maintained to keep it balanced and as the corner closed in on me more I just kept thinking to press more and be calm. OMG if the didn't work perfect. The lat time I was in that situation I was on my Harley and broadsided the gaurdrail at 50 on my side. Thank you guys so much and keep on sharing the right stuff for us rookies to learn from.
hayabusa8003
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hey guys.any tips for a guy of 6 feet 5 inches tall to ride a busa?i think its a little small for me.but,can't help it,i luv my busa.
I've never read anything specific to a guy's size in regard to riding. Most assuredly, however, it's different than a smaller guy.
Charles and I don't ride the same way, for example. I suspect that if you think about some of the physics of it, you can figure 'em out. For example, braking distances are going to change, for sure. You can't use the same markers as a guy who only weighs 2/3 what you do. Cornering has to be done differently but you may have an easier time of it because of your size. Etc., Etc.
Ultimately, everyone has to fine tune their ride to themselves anyway. Study the techniques and take instruction from professional trainers and you'll probably do just fine with it.
--Wag--
Awesome info--thnks from all of us. I'd like to add 2 things--one for empasis--LOOK WHERE YOU WANT TO END UP! It's been repeated and repeated and repeated. BUT, it get's riders in more problems than any other single factor.
Second, ride BELOW the speed in which you can actually take the curve. Around my neck of the woods, there is always lots of gravel and dirt on those roads. Hit a patch of that and any good techniques you employ are shot. In other words, if you wanna really tear up the corner--check it out first! Just my 2 cents
Second, ride BELOW the speed in which you can actually take the curve. Around my neck of the woods, there is always lots of gravel and dirt on those roads. Hit a patch of that and any good techniques you employ are shot. In other words, if you wanna really tear up the corner--check it out first! Just my 2 cents
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