My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 issue

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I tried to say away from more writing, but after reading a really detailed article in January 2015 issue of Roadracing World about new bikes, including H2R and H2, I just couldn't contain myself. So, here is most of what I wrote...

Dear Editor,

...I wasn’t going to write again, but after reading your wonderfully detailed article about new Kawasaki bikes (among others) written by David Swarts, I am now more confused than ever about the purpose of these bikes. Don’t get me wrong - I like the extra power like the next guy, and truly enjoy my current bike’s measly 242 HP max at the wheel (that’s two-four-two – not a typo, and I have a dyno chart to prove it). But as I saturate my mind with technical details about these hydrogen inspired bikes, my brain fails to place them in the proper category.

To start with, being able to crank (pun intended) HP numbers is great, but I would really like to know HP numbers at the rear wheel for both bikes. I would dare to guess 275 HP and 185 HP respectfully. Now, to the most confusing data: 57.3†wheel base, almost 525 LB claimed curb weight, and 200/55-ZR17 rear tire... I am aware of a much, much older but a well-known bike with a lot better aerodynamics having similar properties: wheel base 58.5â€, claimed curb weight of almost 547 LB, and 190/50-ZR17 rear tire. Every track day rider and racer knows that with such numbers for weight, wheel base, and tire size, any of the bikes mentioned do not stand a chance in flickability, quickness of turn in, and cornering against the latest naturally aspirated liter bikes which are lighter, and have shorter wheel base. OK, that extra power may shave a second or two on a straightaway. However, this won’t be enough to offset other deficiencies for the rest of a road course.

Maybe, the new bikes are meant to be a straight line only rockets, which recent Kawasaki video (shot on a runaway) might suggest? Doubtful, because aerodynamics of the new bikes doesn’t seem to provide low coefficient of drag (a measured Cd number would be helpful here). Pricing is the whole ‘nother topic as getting a used ‘much, much older’ bike mentioned above for around $7,000 and adding a stage 2 turbo kit – installed and tuned by a nationally reputable shop (like Powerhouse Motorcycles – www.PowerHouseMC.com) for around $11,000 can easily surpass 300 HP at the rear wheel (not at the crank), and on pump gas – for a total of $18,000! Which is almost three times less than the price of H2R. With modern day turbos, only ham fisted riders will notice a turbo-lag. No winglets required as such beast would stay planted at most any speed a pilot is not afraid to subject himself or herself to.


Confused and curious,
Igor G.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

WOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am hoping that they will respond.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

I bet you could easily get a turbo Busa under 500 lbs. I bet if you were really aggressive you could get it to 480 lbs or so.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

Excellent point, fallenarch! I wished I thought of this earlier!
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

if they respond, please post it....thanks :thumbsup:
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

if they respond, please post it....thanks :thumbsup:

They ordinarily would not respond to an email, but if they find it amusing/relevant, they may publish it in one of the upcoming issues of the magazine. If they do, I will be sure to post about it. :thumbsup:

Somehow, I have a feeling that they are going to receive many emails on this subject.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

Take that Cowasaki! :poke:

:laugh:
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

I'm not sure what the point is.

Sales will determine if it's a good bike or not.
I think that they have priced themselves out of the common man's market.
Sure a few wealthy people will buy one or two to put in their collection (Jay Leno?)

It is not a practicable bike - but there are impracticable people in this would that will think that it is the perfect bike for them.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

I think it's a joke frankly. There isn't much you can do with it except maybe drag race (closed course or otherwise). I just can't imagine paying $30K for a bike and having the same stock suspension and brakes. That alone says Kawasaki wasn't really serious about this bike being anything more than a curiosity. Imagine a 2012 busa with ABS, add a bazzaz with traction control, Stage 1 or 2 turbo and a real aggressive diet to get things down to 480 lbs or so. Add Ohlins front and rear and you have an H2R killer for about the same money, maybe even some change for a paint job. The Kawi does look good but the aesthetics are comic book and will look outdated well before the 20 years the Hayabusa has stood the test of time.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

And that's why it's so confusing. If, for example, they clearly designated the bike as a unique collector's only item, that would be a different story.

The same article detailed other new bikes for 2015: Aprilia RSV4 variants, Ducati Panigale, Honda CBR1000RR, and Yamaha R1. All of the enhancements for those bikes made sense and were perfectly inline with their track duties. There was another separate article devoted to new for 2015 BMW S1000RR with even more enhancements and details. However, only H2R and H2 leave you wondering as to what is their primary purpose, and especially in stark contrast to the clarity regarding all other new bikes from various manufacturers.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

To me, you give the H2R awesome suspension, variable wheelbase, fatter tire (like 220 maybe) and make it special and so what if it cost $40K? I bet they would sell as many at $40K as they would at $30K. Why not make it state of the current art?
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

And.... drum roll... surprise-sruprise... the magazine printed it in February issue, practically word for word. The editor also added the following comments...

Editor’s response:

Not everybody is interested in
building a turbocharged Hayabusa as
opposed to buying a new H2 or H2R
off the showroom floor. And according
to tuner Scott Crawford (see page 74),
$25,000 is a more likely cost to build a
reliable, 300-horsepower-at-the-rearwheel
Hayabusa that will stay together
on pump gas. It is also possible that
a supercharged, production motorcycle
claimed to make 300 horsepower
at the crank in stock condition can
be built to reliably make higher rearwheel
horsepower than a normally aspirated
production motorcycle claimed
to make less than 200 horsepower
at the crank in stock condition. And
as former road racer Crawford points
out, supercharging produces linear
power as opposed to a turbocharger’s
non-linear power, in theory making a
supercharged bike much more controllable
on a road course. But until the H2
and H2R are actually available and
riders and tuners have their hands on
them, it’s all speculation…Editor.


I rolled my eyes a few times reading their response, but not gonna argue about small stuff. I checked with Frank from Motorcycle Powerhouse MC (Powerhouse Motorcycles NY : Full Service Sport Bike Dynojet Tuning Specialists), and my eye roll seemed justified.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

Well done sir!!!
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

so according to the editor superchargers are going to now be allowed in AMA? lmao..... yea keep dreaming. maybe in 20 years but no time soon. all manufactures wud hav to offer a blower for each bike from the factory before anyone is gonna allow a blower to compete on the track.

but I wud agree $25k is a more likely number to build a reliable Turbo bike makn 300 hp IF u include the cost of the bike itself.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

And.... drum roll... surprise-sruprise... the magazine printed it in February issue, practically word for word. The editor also added the following comments...

Editor’s response:

Not everybody is interested in
building a turbocharged Hayabusa as
opposed to buying a new H2 or H2R
off the showroom floor. And according
to tuner Scott Crawford (see page 74),
$25,000 is a more likely cost to build a
reliable, 300-horsepower-at-the-rearwheel
Hayabusa that will stay together
on pump gas. It is also possible that
a supercharged, production motorcycle
claimed to make 300 horsepower
at the crank in stock condition can
be built to reliably make higher rearwheel
horsepower than a normally aspirated
production motorcycle claimed
to make less than 200 horsepower
at the crank in stock condition. And
as former road racer Crawford points
out, supercharging produces linear
power as opposed to a turbocharger’s
non-linear power,
in theory making a
supercharged bike much more controllable
on a road course.
But until the H2
and H2R are actually available and
riders and tuners have their hands on
them, it’s all speculation…Editor.


I rolled my eyes a few times reading their response, but not gonna argue about small stuff. Are you friggin kidding me. You would argue with a sign board that you painted yourself. I checked with Frank from Motorcycle Powerhouse MC (Powerhouse Motorcycles NY : Full Service Sport Bike Dynojet Tuning Specialists), and my eye roll seemed justified.
If you are looking to Frank to support your guess work theory on bike performance on the side of the tire, he probably knows less than you do. At least you get out on the track a couple times a year and give it your best shot. Although you are deeply ill-informed at least you stick your toes in the water.

God gave you one mouth and two ears for a reason. Use them accordingly and you may learn something along the way. RRW's response to your rambling letter is "Spot ON". Super Charging delivers Linear power, Turbocharging does not! World of difference if you are riding the bike on the side of the tire. Your foot anchors will be much easier to sell than using an exhaust driven turbo at any significant lean angle. And, I've said it before and I'll say it again, foot anchors are totally useless to anyone with skill at the lean game.

If you can zip your lip long enough to pay attention I may eventually share a little first hand experience on how the H2 performs once it's off the center-line of the tire.

Stay tuned!

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Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

Alrighty then! Nothing like an invoice to settle an arguement.
 
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i

Looking forward to hearing a ride report, I had to literally laugh out loud at the, "Are you friggin kidding me. You would argue with a sign board that you painted yourself", since I've wrestled that pig myself.
 
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