My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 issue
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I could only type after I stopped laughing at you guys, Tuf and Blrry. Attitude, but no coherent argument, and no firsthand experience. But don't worry, I am used to it by now. I could expand on that, but that would be unproductive use of my time. However, to be productive and hoping that maybe somewhere deep down there is a decent folk hiding, I will simply try to provide to-the-point clarifications.
Eye roll #1: It doesn't take $25k to add a reliable turbo to a Hayabusa making 300 hp on pump gas, but more like $11k as I indicated in my email to RW. Maybe Frank will chime in and clarify this for you guys... Oh, wait a second, you know more about building turbos than Frank.
Eye roll#2: it's easier to build-up H2(R) cause it has more HP to begin with. Not if it has very little reserve - how much you can squeeze out if it. We all know that a Hayabusa has a lot of reserve in that respect.
Eye roll#3: supercharger has more linear power curve. A general statement repeated by many without firsthand experience. I rode my turbo Hayabusa for 2 years on the street and on the track (7 track days IIRC), and before that - it was stock. How can I put my firsthand experience over the past few years in a way that you guys get it: I CANNOT TELL THE BIKE HAS A TURBO AND WOULD'VE NEVER GUESSED IF I DIDN'T KNOW. That's how it feels. Got it? When I am on the track, mid-turn, the throttle response is as sensitive as it has been with the stock bike. I don't know what it is, tuning or something else, but that's how it feels. And when I need power, I don't have to wait for anything - it's right there.
So, how is your first-hand experience riding super-charged and turbo-charged bikes, and who did the install/tune?
Now, back to Foot Anchors. Kinda off topic, but you brought it up, Tuf, so you gonna have to eat it. You know, you gonna be repeating how useless they are and how if you know how to ride you don't need no stinking foot anchors. In the meantime, the rest of the world will be using them. How do I know? Cause I did a marketing campaign on Facebook, and apparently most everyone who learns about foot anchors, likes the idea - thousands of riders around the world. Let me put it in numbers: out of all riders out there, maybe 0.1% or less "know how to ride" per your definition of how to ride. The rest 99.9% don't, and would care less. They will utilize an easier approach, and will simply enjoy riding - faster, with more stability, confidence, and enjoyment - while naysayers will keep shaking their heads. I am a better rider with foot anchors. So are some other test riders. The only thing you can't disagree with that time will tell... But don't worry, I won't be hard on you when things become obvious. Your reaction is typical to humans, and I understand that, and know that this is not personal. And if you ever change your mind, don't hesitate to let me know and I will offer you a good discount. You could be riding faster, you know... Just open your mind.
Oh, there is a reason I am reading RW which I would've never subscribed to under normal circumstances (barely knew the magazine existed), and I will let you dwell on that one. I would've never imagined the magazine would be so insightful and interesting to a non-racer that when I started reading for the first time I couldn't stop reading until late at night, and only stopped after my eyes were closing by themselves. I actually wrote about my experience to the mag, and they published my email in the prior (January) issue. Well, you can tell by now that I love writing, and sadly enough you cannot win this one. You would be just feeding my writing desire, and I l-o-v-e to practice.
I am not gonna say what ideas some stunters already have 'cause that will be 'nother topic altogether.
Tuf, I hope your senses don't get Blrry in the heat of the argument, and that we all remain friends who IGnore the small stuff... I can't stop laughing... not at you, but at how well this came out.
Oh, I completely forgot... I went for a ride about a week ago before snow/rain came. It was 35 degrees, windy, sun/clouds. I was railing over tar snakes, but the damn rear just wouldn't slide as before. Maybe you could give me some pointers?
I could only type after I stopped laughing at you guys, Tuf and Blrry. Attitude, but no coherent argument, and no firsthand experience. But don't worry, I am used to it by now. I could expand on that, but that would be unproductive use of my time. However, to be productive and hoping that maybe somewhere deep down there is a decent folk hiding, I will simply try to provide to-the-point clarifications.
Eye roll #1: It doesn't take $25k to add a reliable turbo to a Hayabusa making 300 hp on pump gas, but more like $11k as I indicated in my email to RW. Maybe Frank will chime in and clarify this for you guys... Oh, wait a second, you know more about building turbos than Frank.
Eye roll#2: it's easier to build-up H2(R) cause it has more HP to begin with. Not if it has very little reserve - how much you can squeeze out if it. We all know that a Hayabusa has a lot of reserve in that respect.
Eye roll#3: supercharger has more linear power curve. A general statement repeated by many without firsthand experience. I rode my turbo Hayabusa for 2 years on the street and on the track (7 track days IIRC), and before that - it was stock. How can I put my firsthand experience over the past few years in a way that you guys get it: I CANNOT TELL THE BIKE HAS A TURBO AND WOULD'VE NEVER GUESSED IF I DIDN'T KNOW. That's how it feels. Got it? When I am on the track, mid-turn, the throttle response is as sensitive as it has been with the stock bike. I don't know what it is, tuning or something else, but that's how it feels. And when I need power, I don't have to wait for anything - it's right there.
So, how is your first-hand experience riding super-charged and turbo-charged bikes, and who did the install/tune?
Now, back to Foot Anchors. Kinda off topic, but you brought it up, Tuf, so you gonna have to eat it. You know, you gonna be repeating how useless they are and how if you know how to ride you don't need no stinking foot anchors. In the meantime, the rest of the world will be using them. How do I know? Cause I did a marketing campaign on Facebook, and apparently most everyone who learns about foot anchors, likes the idea - thousands of riders around the world. Let me put it in numbers: out of all riders out there, maybe 0.1% or less "know how to ride" per your definition of how to ride. The rest 99.9% don't, and would care less. They will utilize an easier approach, and will simply enjoy riding - faster, with more stability, confidence, and enjoyment - while naysayers will keep shaking their heads. I am a better rider with foot anchors. So are some other test riders. The only thing you can't disagree with that time will tell... But don't worry, I won't be hard on you when things become obvious. Your reaction is typical to humans, and I understand that, and know that this is not personal. And if you ever change your mind, don't hesitate to let me know and I will offer you a good discount. You could be riding faster, you know... Just open your mind.
Oh, there is a reason I am reading RW which I would've never subscribed to under normal circumstances (barely knew the magazine existed), and I will let you dwell on that one. I would've never imagined the magazine would be so insightful and interesting to a non-racer that when I started reading for the first time I couldn't stop reading until late at night, and only stopped after my eyes were closing by themselves. I actually wrote about my experience to the mag, and they published my email in the prior (January) issue. Well, you can tell by now that I love writing, and sadly enough you cannot win this one. You would be just feeding my writing desire, and I l-o-v-e to practice.
I am not gonna say what ideas some stunters already have 'cause that will be 'nother topic altogether.
Tuf, I hope your senses don't get Blrry in the heat of the argument, and that we all remain friends who IGnore the small stuff... I can't stop laughing... not at you, but at how well this came out.
Oh, I completely forgot... I went for a ride about a week ago before snow/rain came. It was 35 degrees, windy, sun/clouds. I was railing over tar snakes, but the damn rear just wouldn't slide as before. Maybe you could give me some pointers?
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I'm no pro but I feel more comfortable turning sharp with foot anchors. Just saying....
I'm no pro but I feel more comfortable turning sharp with foot anchors. Just saying....
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who cares. riding around in circles for hours is boring anyway and track bikes are just plain slow. even the 300 hp track version is slow. 300 hp is boring so 230 hp wud put me to sleep.....
who cares. riding around in circles for hours is boring anyway and track bikes are just plain slow. even the 300 hp track version is slow. 300 hp is boring so 230 hp wud put me to sleep.....
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How come every time IG posts a thread it stars him and Tuff in "The Never Ending Debate"... co-starring Foot Anchors?
Theres a popular expression "All Roads Lead 2 Rome" well that's how it kinda feels when those 2 post on the same thread no matter what the topic!
"All Threads Lead 2 Foot Anchors"!!!
How come every time IG posts a thread it stars him and Tuff in "The Never Ending Debate"... co-starring Foot Anchors?
Theres a popular expression "All Roads Lead 2 Rome" well that's how it kinda feels when those 2 post on the same thread no matter what the topic!
"All Threads Lead 2 Foot Anchors"!!!
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1busa, this is a great question. I try to stay away from the topic as enough was said already from all sides.
To me, the answer is very simple. Unconsciously, on a deeper level, he senses that there is something to it. However, this breaks down the world of riding as he knows it - causing natural resistance (although, in my estimation, only about 20% of riding technique is affected). Once the motivation is set, all knowledge and any new information is processed with only one purpose - to come up with counter arguments. This happens unconsciously, and not on purpose, and I understand that, and that's why I try to provide constructive, logical, and to-the-point answers - hoping to break through this invisible psychological barrier. I experienced very similar reaction on WERA forum. When I got down to specifics, many opponents resorted to similar statements: "you are too slow to understand", "if you don't understand there is no point explaining", etc, while at the same time being unable to answer simple but specific questions.
It was quite shocking to me to come to realization that so many people are unable to follow a logical path if it leads outside the realm of familiar things. Come to think of it, the concept is so simple and it expands on the same principles of riding already utilized by most every rider. Sure, there are some fine points, safety concerns, how easy to adapt, maybe certain scenarios where foot anchors may not work, etc. which I would never dismiss, but constantly thinking of how to improve/address those... But to dismiss the whole idea, and call it ridiculous and a complete non-sense?
At times, I feel pretty lonely and misunderstood, and while it's relatively easy to deal with it over a short period of time, it's quite challenging to sustain such pressure over many months. That's why I am truly thankful to those who are supportive of the idea, the test riders (Quiksilver, thanks for jumping in, buddy), and others I meet in physical and virtual world who "get it".
After reading Tuf's statements about presumably non-linear power output for a turbo and also out of curiosity, I glanced at my bike's dyno chart. Man, the power curve is almost a straight line, and the torque is almost a flat line between 6k to redline. It doesn't get any more linear than that! And, this is consistent with the seat-of-the-pants feel.
"If you can zip your lip long enough to pay attention I may eventually share a little first hand experience on how the H2 performs once it's off the center-line of the tire." A clear indication of being irritated... I don't expect you to be objective, and I don't expect the 500+ lb piglet to corner better than the latest 1k bikes making about the same power.
1busa, this is a great question. I try to stay away from the topic as enough was said already from all sides.
To me, the answer is very simple. Unconsciously, on a deeper level, he senses that there is something to it. However, this breaks down the world of riding as he knows it - causing natural resistance (although, in my estimation, only about 20% of riding technique is affected). Once the motivation is set, all knowledge and any new information is processed with only one purpose - to come up with counter arguments. This happens unconsciously, and not on purpose, and I understand that, and that's why I try to provide constructive, logical, and to-the-point answers - hoping to break through this invisible psychological barrier. I experienced very similar reaction on WERA forum. When I got down to specifics, many opponents resorted to similar statements: "you are too slow to understand", "if you don't understand there is no point explaining", etc, while at the same time being unable to answer simple but specific questions.
It was quite shocking to me to come to realization that so many people are unable to follow a logical path if it leads outside the realm of familiar things. Come to think of it, the concept is so simple and it expands on the same principles of riding already utilized by most every rider. Sure, there are some fine points, safety concerns, how easy to adapt, maybe certain scenarios where foot anchors may not work, etc. which I would never dismiss, but constantly thinking of how to improve/address those... But to dismiss the whole idea, and call it ridiculous and a complete non-sense?
At times, I feel pretty lonely and misunderstood, and while it's relatively easy to deal with it over a short period of time, it's quite challenging to sustain such pressure over many months. That's why I am truly thankful to those who are supportive of the idea, the test riders (Quiksilver, thanks for jumping in, buddy), and others I meet in physical and virtual world who "get it".
After reading Tuf's statements about presumably non-linear power output for a turbo and also out of curiosity, I glanced at my bike's dyno chart. Man, the power curve is almost a straight line, and the torque is almost a flat line between 6k to redline. It doesn't get any more linear than that! And, this is consistent with the seat-of-the-pants feel.
"If you can zip your lip long enough to pay attention I may eventually share a little first hand experience on how the H2 performs once it's off the center-line of the tire." A clear indication of being irritated... I don't expect you to be objective, and I don't expect the 500+ lb piglet to corner better than the latest 1k bikes making about the same power.
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It seems the way of the world now, is to pick others apart. This also applies to anything new. It all comes down to presenting an opinion and the need to have that opinion accepted as right. This concept applies in many areas in life. That's why religion and politics are such contentious subjects. Its not about what's right it's about making everyone believe what you believe is right.
We're all guilty of it because it's human nature. Some of us are capable of recognizing we're doing it and pulling back and some never will.
Seems the world could use a little humility.
Ford/Chevy, Apple/Android, Suzuki/Kawasaki Fanboys in general annoy me.
I love my Busa for what it is and if I could afford it I would have a whole stable full of bikes and cars from many different manufacturers. I for one think the H2 in both its forms is a pretty cool piece of machinery and would love to take one for a spin. Hell, I'd buy one if I didn't look like a bear on a tricycle when I sit on liter bikes.
One of my guiding philosophies is very simple.
If you take an extreme view of everything, you have not cafefully considered all alternatives. There is always something of value in between.
It seems the way of the world now, is to pick others apart. This also applies to anything new. It all comes down to presenting an opinion and the need to have that opinion accepted as right. This concept applies in many areas in life. That's why religion and politics are such contentious subjects. Its not about what's right it's about making everyone believe what you believe is right.
We're all guilty of it because it's human nature. Some of us are capable of recognizing we're doing it and pulling back and some never will.
Seems the world could use a little humility.
Ford/Chevy, Apple/Android, Suzuki/Kawasaki Fanboys in general annoy me.
I love my Busa for what it is and if I could afford it I would have a whole stable full of bikes and cars from many different manufacturers. I for one think the H2 in both its forms is a pretty cool piece of machinery and would love to take one for a spin. Hell, I'd buy one if I didn't look like a bear on a tricycle when I sit on liter bikes.
One of my guiding philosophies is very simple.
If you take an extreme view of everything, you have not cafefully considered all alternatives. There is always something of value in between.
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Igor, only one out of every ten riders ever pursue or receive ANY advanced training after receiving their motorcycle endorsement, a major factor in motorcycle crashes. Motorcycle riders are 34 times more likely to die in a crash (Per mile traveled) than in other vehicles. As far as I can tell, you are in that 90% who has and never will have any advanced training. Your rambling posts seems to support my conclusions. At least you have never mentioned anything even so much as taking a basic level one school at a track day. Correct me if I'm wrong.
As far as you irritating me, No! I have had lots of practice with guys just like you both on the track and in the classroom. Most people show up anxious to learn but once or twice a month there is an Igor in the class that is determined to make sure everyone knows they are much wiser than the person delivering the curriculum. I had an Igor tell me once that he didn't need any advise from me because his friends called him "King of the Streets".
Igor, if I suggested to you that your tires were round and black, you would spin it in some un-godly direction to make an argument out of it. Everything has to be an argument with you because you have not built a foundation that supports a healthy debate. If I were the only guy reading your posts, I'd never respond. What I care about is the good folks that may take you seriously. Only Igor, would write a letter to a motorcycle magazine signing off with "Curious and Confused" then reject their response without a smidgen of consideration that they could be correct. Only in Igorville my friend, only in Igorville!
Igor, only one out of every ten riders ever pursue or receive ANY advanced training after receiving their motorcycle endorsement, a major factor in motorcycle crashes. Motorcycle riders are 34 times more likely to die in a crash (Per mile traveled) than in other vehicles. As far as I can tell, you are in that 90% who has and never will have any advanced training. Your rambling posts seems to support my conclusions. At least you have never mentioned anything even so much as taking a basic level one school at a track day. Correct me if I'm wrong.
As far as you irritating me, No! I have had lots of practice with guys just like you both on the track and in the classroom. Most people show up anxious to learn but once or twice a month there is an Igor in the class that is determined to make sure everyone knows they are much wiser than the person delivering the curriculum. I had an Igor tell me once that he didn't need any advise from me because his friends called him "King of the Streets".
Igor, if I suggested to you that your tires were round and black, you would spin it in some un-godly direction to make an argument out of it. Everything has to be an argument with you because you have not built a foundation that supports a healthy debate. If I were the only guy reading your posts, I'd never respond. What I care about is the good folks that may take you seriously. Only Igor, would write a letter to a motorcycle magazine signing off with "Curious and Confused" then reject their response without a smidgen of consideration that they could be correct. Only in Igorville my friend, only in Igorville!
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Tuf, as I said earlier, I simply don't see the point to continue these arguments. They bring nothing, but negativity to this great forum. I don't mind invest my time and soul into something positive, but most interaction with you goes off downhill.
Yes, I did take the basic track school - it was mandatory, and I learned a lot. I did read TOTW 2 a number of times - studied and practiced most of the things in the book. In the end, I comprehended most of it, although disagreed with a couple of points. So, yes, I took the training, I worked with coaches over many track days, etc., but I am also an independent thinker and never believe anything just because someone says so. I always try to make sense out of it. I have to understand and comprehend whatever the subject/issue is. I dig until I get it, or until I uncover something is wrong - it's that simple. It's a good life principle - 'do not rely on something that you don't understand'. There are so many opinions out there that it's easy to get lost, or bounce off from one opinion to another.
I've never portrayed myself as "King of the Streets" or anything like this. As a matter of fact, I repeated many times over and over that I am a pretty conservative rider, and ride in intermediate, or between beginner/intermediate on the track. Don't know how you missed it.
My signature at the end of my email to the magazine is partly a joke as well as the entire piece - don't you see it? And no, I do not accept a response from someone more knowledgeable if such response makes no sense to me. Editorial staff clearly has a good sense of humor - kinda my crowd. Here is a fragment from "letters to the editor requirements": "Delusional letters from raving lunatics, conspiracy theorists, professional victims or others with a tenuous grasp on reality may or may not be published, depending upon their apparent entertainment value as judged by the editor."
Tuf, you imply that I would argue about anything while in reality it is you who seem to jump on anything and put down a OP. This thread is a bright example... I do look critically at things, and sometimes disagree, however I don't bash anyone, but rather try to present a logical and to-the-point argument.
Tuf, as I said earlier, I simply don't see the point to continue these arguments. They bring nothing, but negativity to this great forum. I don't mind invest my time and soul into something positive, but most interaction with you goes off downhill.
Yes, I did take the basic track school - it was mandatory, and I learned a lot. I did read TOTW 2 a number of times - studied and practiced most of the things in the book. In the end, I comprehended most of it, although disagreed with a couple of points. So, yes, I took the training, I worked with coaches over many track days, etc., but I am also an independent thinker and never believe anything just because someone says so. I always try to make sense out of it. I have to understand and comprehend whatever the subject/issue is. I dig until I get it, or until I uncover something is wrong - it's that simple. It's a good life principle - 'do not rely on something that you don't understand'. There are so many opinions out there that it's easy to get lost, or bounce off from one opinion to another.
I've never portrayed myself as "King of the Streets" or anything like this. As a matter of fact, I repeated many times over and over that I am a pretty conservative rider, and ride in intermediate, or between beginner/intermediate on the track. Don't know how you missed it.
My signature at the end of my email to the magazine is partly a joke as well as the entire piece - don't you see it? And no, I do not accept a response from someone more knowledgeable if such response makes no sense to me. Editorial staff clearly has a good sense of humor - kinda my crowd. Here is a fragment from "letters to the editor requirements": "Delusional letters from raving lunatics, conspiracy theorists, professional victims or others with a tenuous grasp on reality may or may not be published, depending upon their apparent entertainment value as judged by the editor."
Tuf, you imply that I would argue about anything while in reality it is you who seem to jump on anything and put down a OP. This thread is a bright example... I do look critically at things, and sometimes disagree, however I don't bash anyone, but rather try to present a logical and to-the-point argument.
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Igor, What I've learned of such an independent thinker are as follows:
He's created a new technique for sliding a motorcycle by riding over tar strips.
He's created a new system of politics to reform America's political system, self published on Amazon.
He's invented motorcycle appendages which will revolutionize cornering.
(First you must understand cornering before you can conquer corners "Keith Code")
Classic Crank? You Decide!
Crank (person) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1. Cranks overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and underestimate that of acknowledged experts.
2. Cranks insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently important.
3. Cranks rarely, if ever, acknowledge any error, no matter how trivial.
4. Cranks love to talk about their own beliefs, often in inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be bad listeners, being uninterested in anyone else's experience or opinions.
Enjoy your motorcycle appendages.
SteveO
Igor, What I've learned of such an independent thinker are as follows:
He's created a new technique for sliding a motorcycle by riding over tar strips.
He's created a new system of politics to reform America's political system, self published on Amazon.
He's invented motorcycle appendages which will revolutionize cornering.
(First you must understand cornering before you can conquer corners "Keith Code")
Classic Crank? You Decide!
Crank (person) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1. Cranks overestimate their own knowledge and ability, and underestimate that of acknowledged experts.
2. Cranks insist that their alleged discoveries are urgently important.
3. Cranks rarely, if ever, acknowledge any error, no matter how trivial.
4. Cranks love to talk about their own beliefs, often in inappropriate social situations, but they tend to be bad listeners, being uninterested in anyone else's experience or opinions.
Enjoy your motorcycle appendages.
SteveO
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IG, in an earlier thread you were talking about how you hate electronic rider aids and your foot anchors are exactly the same thing! Some of us are committed to learning how to control a motorcycle the proper way (Tuf), the rest of us want to hop on and have fun or get to work, etc. Rider aids help the people who use motorcycles as a hobby, not a living. So where are you going to test things like traction control? On the track of course and that's why the big 4 race - to improve the bikes they sell. So, I say gizzmo it up on the track so those of us who don't want to spend months on a track getting instruction can hop on a 300 hp bike and not kill ourselves.
IG, in an earlier thread you were talking about how you hate electronic rider aids and your foot anchors are exactly the same thing! Some of us are committed to learning how to control a motorcycle the proper way (Tuf), the rest of us want to hop on and have fun or get to work, etc. Rider aids help the people who use motorcycles as a hobby, not a living. So where are you going to test things like traction control? On the track of course and that's why the big 4 race - to improve the bikes they sell. So, I say gizzmo it up on the track so those of us who don't want to spend months on a track getting instruction can hop on a 300 hp bike and not kill ourselves.
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Tuf if i were in your class you might mistake me for a know it all prick. But I question everything and it drives the people I work with nuts. Realize however hat if I did not respect you I would not question what you say, I would just walk away and say that guy is a dik. Sometimes my questions are basically saying I can't resolve what you are saying with my experience. That's not saying you are wrong, just that I cannot make this all connect. I find many track coaches take every challenge as a person saying they don't know what they are talking about. I have to understand the physics of the thing, the nuts and bolts before it will stick in my brain. Like I said if I didn't think you had the answer, I wouldn't keep asking questions and challenging the answers.
Tuf if i were in your class you might mistake me for a know it all prick. But I question everything and it drives the people I work with nuts. Realize however hat if I did not respect you I would not question what you say, I would just walk away and say that guy is a dik. Sometimes my questions are basically saying I can't resolve what you are saying with my experience. That's not saying you are wrong, just that I cannot make this all connect. I find many track coaches take every challenge as a person saying they don't know what they are talking about. I have to understand the physics of the thing, the nuts and bolts before it will stick in my brain. Like I said if I didn't think you had the answer, I wouldn't keep asking questions and challenging the answers.
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I'm the same way, Fallenarch, it drove my staff crazy during residency because they thought I was questioning them at first. When they could see I was interested in what they were trying to teach me and that by asking questions I was trying to figure out how I could understand/remember/implement it into my own practice, they came 'round. If they didn't make sense though, I dumped it and stopped talking to them. Then again, I asked questions to learn, not to argue or prove a preconceived point I already had made in my mind. I'd love to take some track class sessions, I've just not had money for a bike (or had a bike but not extra $ for the classes) whenever I lived where I had the opportunity. Finally I could, but I live too far away! (no racetracks near Anchorage, Alaska)
I'm the same way, Fallenarch, it drove my staff crazy during residency because they thought I was questioning them at first. When they could see I was interested in what they were trying to teach me and that by asking questions I was trying to figure out how I could understand/remember/implement it into my own practice, they came 'round. If they didn't make sense though, I dumped it and stopped talking to them. Then again, I asked questions to learn, not to argue or prove a preconceived point I already had made in my mind. I'd love to take some track class sessions, I've just not had money for a bike (or had a bike but not extra $ for the classes) whenever I lived where I had the opportunity. Finally I could, but I live too far away! (no racetracks near Anchorage, Alaska)
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Cut the crap, all we're doing is talking **** back and fourth.
Lets just race a H2 vs Turbo Busa (both spending 25K on bike & mods) and we shall see which one makes more power and is more reliable.
-D
Cut the crap, all we're doing is talking **** back and fourth.
Lets just race a H2 vs Turbo Busa (both spending 25K on bike & mods) and we shall see which one makes more power and is more reliable.
-D
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Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i
Once again, Tuf, you are twisting what I am trying to accomplish... Your "cranks" are baseless because your statements are based on the assumption that all my initiatives are WRONG... Yet, you are unable to clarify why. Your mind works in a predictable way as I described in my earlier post#28. I am sure there is a word describing your behavior, and I am sure I could expand on that, and even make it very funny, but it all would be the wrong direction and a dead end, and that's why such thought left my mind as quickly as it entered.
Since you referred to Keith Code as an established authority on cornering (and rightfully so), I'd like to mention that he didn't think foot anchors were such a bad idea when he learned about them. Shoot him an email or call, and see what he says. I am reluctant to say more because my communications with him were private, and it would be unethical to reveal the details.
While at first glance your cranky explanation seems plausible, it's nothing more than a house of cards (or cranks) - falls down after a single hard fact.
Like I said more than once already, our back-and-forth became beyond pointless, and while it still carries some entertainment value, it leaves a bad aftertaste in my soul. I don't mind joking and entertaining the crowd, but not in this way.
Arch, foot anchors are no more rider aid than footpegs, seat, or handlebars. They are as bare necessity as those, and I believe it's just a matter of time before this realization settles in people's minds and becomes a self-obvious thing. Actually, shaping motorcycle tanks to hold a rider's knee in place and sticking various grips in that area - this is actually a bandage-like approach. Fundamentally, there is only one right approach: you want to anchor something or someone - use an anchor; everything else would be a bandage-like approach.
And I am still waiting for an explanation of Rossi clip when he loses his outside leg in Misano qualifying. The link to the video is right on the website. There are many examples like that in MotoGP footage, especially during prior years of MotoGP. No one on WERA forum, here at H.ORG, or even coaches on Team Promotion website could provide a decent explanation. Oh, wait, someone on WERA forum said that we had to analyze data from the data logger to understand what happened.
I am still scratching my head trying to understand where are we talking about foot anchors in this thread... Oh,Tuf brought it up, LOL
Once again, Tuf, you are twisting what I am trying to accomplish... Your "cranks" are baseless because your statements are based on the assumption that all my initiatives are WRONG... Yet, you are unable to clarify why. Your mind works in a predictable way as I described in my earlier post#28. I am sure there is a word describing your behavior, and I am sure I could expand on that, and even make it very funny, but it all would be the wrong direction and a dead end, and that's why such thought left my mind as quickly as it entered.
Since you referred to Keith Code as an established authority on cornering (and rightfully so), I'd like to mention that he didn't think foot anchors were such a bad idea when he learned about them. Shoot him an email or call, and see what he says. I am reluctant to say more because my communications with him were private, and it would be unethical to reveal the details.
While at first glance your cranky explanation seems plausible, it's nothing more than a house of cards (or cranks) - falls down after a single hard fact.
Like I said more than once already, our back-and-forth became beyond pointless, and while it still carries some entertainment value, it leaves a bad aftertaste in my soul. I don't mind joking and entertaining the crowd, but not in this way.
Arch, foot anchors are no more rider aid than footpegs, seat, or handlebars. They are as bare necessity as those, and I believe it's just a matter of time before this realization settles in people's minds and becomes a self-obvious thing. Actually, shaping motorcycle tanks to hold a rider's knee in place and sticking various grips in that area - this is actually a bandage-like approach. Fundamentally, there is only one right approach: you want to anchor something or someone - use an anchor; everything else would be a bandage-like approach.
And I am still waiting for an explanation of Rossi clip when he loses his outside leg in Misano qualifying. The link to the video is right on the website. There are many examples like that in MotoGP footage, especially during prior years of MotoGP. No one on WERA forum, here at H.ORG, or even coaches on Team Promotion website could provide a decent explanation. Oh, wait, someone on WERA forum said that we had to analyze data from the data logger to understand what happened.
I am still scratching my head trying to understand where are we talking about foot anchors in this thread... Oh,Tuf brought it up, LOL
Re: My email to Roadracing World magazine,after reading about H2(R) in January 2015 i
OK IG. I'm going to try them and see. I have been giving you a hard time and I was sort of joking when i compared the foot anchors to electronic rider aids. I do have an open mind though and I'm excited about giving them a shot.
On the rossi video its clear he is hanging off the bike and the bike slips a little in the rear end and it puts him too far off the bike so he loses his balance. The foot anchors would have helped or prevented this IMHO. I think the reason most people are skeptical is not that the anchors are great as far as hanging off the bike but at what price? It looks a bit cumbersome to manage the tight areas you have to have your foot in, and I imagine you have to learn that before the anchors will be comfortable. And who knows what would happen if you crash. In most cases I feel it's best to seperate from the bike as quickly as possible so that the larger momentum of the bike can slide it away from you before it starts tumbling. On the other hand, I have been tossed into the air in a highside (yes, all 300 lbs of me tossed about 3 feet up). The anchors could make some of those survivable if you don't leave the bike and can ride it out.
Can't wait to try them.
OK IG. I'm going to try them and see. I have been giving you a hard time and I was sort of joking when i compared the foot anchors to electronic rider aids. I do have an open mind though and I'm excited about giving them a shot.
On the rossi video its clear he is hanging off the bike and the bike slips a little in the rear end and it puts him too far off the bike so he loses his balance. The foot anchors would have helped or prevented this IMHO. I think the reason most people are skeptical is not that the anchors are great as far as hanging off the bike but at what price? It looks a bit cumbersome to manage the tight areas you have to have your foot in, and I imagine you have to learn that before the anchors will be comfortable. And who knows what would happen if you crash. In most cases I feel it's best to seperate from the bike as quickly as possible so that the larger momentum of the bike can slide it away from you before it starts tumbling. On the other hand, I have been tossed into the air in a highside (yes, all 300 lbs of me tossed about 3 feet up). The anchors could make some of those survivable if you don't leave the bike and can ride it out.
Can't wait to try them.
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